The Next Superpower in the World (686)

China!

Counting the votes so far I see that the vast Majority are for China...Makes me wonder why others cannot see the truth in that fact. They are currently right on top of the Financial pile and have the largest standing Army by far. They are also a Nuclear power. They however do not go around the world noisily upsetting the Natives. They do it very quietly and their expansion into Africa has gained them all the cheap resources they need. Yet few notice or complain about their prolific expansion and quiet dominance of parts of Africa and the vast resources they are currently using from this continent.

China I beleve is already a superpower. But, here is the catch they do quieter and in a different way from all the previous superpowers. The are dominating the world already financially and that will grow. We need to look closely at what we think they want to achieve over the next couple of decades....Mind you we (the west) could not do much to stop them at this time.

I would agree in principle with your view. There are doubts in my mind that they could sustain it for two reasons. The sheer crushing weight of the demands of their population and secondly the economic factors that their current wealth could come to a crashing halt from the collapse of world economies and their dependence on foreign trade and resources rather than self sufficiency. Look at what we have done to ourselves here in America. What would happen if America defaulted on our huge debt to the Chinese.

What fact? A group of people on a singles site's opinion suddenly becomes 'fact?'



Yes iindeed. Currently.



That they can't ship beyond their own borders. Certainly something a 'global superpower' would need to do in order to protect their interests. trading partners and allies around the world.



So they are not a superpower then but rather a 'regional great power?'



Using what widely accepted definition of superpower?



Stop buying their products.

So you agree they are the top of the financial world at present.

They do not need to "ship" their Army anywhere as they have no threat to their existance unlike the USA who sees threats from all over the world. Their Industries are currently running all over Africa and Australaisa getting what they need in resources without the hassle the USA gets.

The AT PRESENT hve no need to move out of their region as they do not need to expand. But if the wanted to they have the industrial might to do so within 10 years and like I said we could not stop them.

China is very quietly continuing its massive expansion and growing stronger and richer by the day. Unlike the USA and Europe who are not growing and are struggling with duge debts and depression.

Fact is Albert China already is a superpower the fact it chooses unlike the US and the west not to waste its time and resources trying to prove it is the worlds "Sherrif"

China is already far to powerful for any nation to attack it unless it was by Nuclear means. Even then retaliation would be severe and cataclysmic.

That fact alone makes it a "superpower"

China knows the USA could not and will not attack it. Anyway why should it matter historically Japan should worry more than anyone else....

I'd certainly agree they are way up there.



Which is why I said they would then be a regional great power rather than a superpower. A superpower has interests and allies across the globe. To only have them in one place is not a indication of a global superpower but a regional one.



I see. So you believe the rest of the world will be stagnant while China continues to grow at the same rate.



You, like Shotstopper have yet to provide a widely accepted definition as to what a superpower actually is which leads me to believe you are making your own up. Using that formula anything or anybody could be considered a superpower.



Makes Britain, France, Iran, India, Pakistan, Israel, Russia, the USA, and North Korea a superpower as well.

China knows the USA could not and will not attack it. Anyway why should it matter historically Japan should worry more than anyone else....

Fact is Albert you will never agree. Much the sam as the so called experts who are actually split over this point.

Fact Albert Growth in China against the rest of the world over the past tewnty years has been huge and hey unlike most of us are contiuing in the same vain.

Your point on the Nuclear countries is wrong as China is not currently like those mentioned apart from N Korea are not in anyway in competition with the USA....

And Japan has attacked China how many times???

Logically if you really look at it without bias if China did not get the resources it needs by trading it woould eventually be forced to take them and that would mean Russia would be the target.

China would not need to "ship" its Army anywhere and that fact is beyond dispute.

The standing Army and its industrial and financial clout give it the right to be called a Superpower.

You may argue only regional but that could have been said of Russia as it could not as you argue "ship" its Army in the same way as the USA and the west.

Superpower, Albert is not a Geogrphical term it alludes to the power of the state whatever region it is in.

China does fufill all the requirements of any logical reason for the term SUPERPOWER.


We will have to agree to disagree on the point of this argument as you refuse to look at the facts and cannot see the power China already has.

Your argument so far has been to quote the same person and I for one am looking at this from all the angles.

Try looking at the way China is actually stripping Africa to it's own ends at this time and not getting labelled "Imperialist" as the USA and the west would be.

Just a thought Albert in case you did not look.

The result of the voing so far...100 votes

China63%
Russia77%
United Kingdom55%
Germany55%
India1414%
Brazil66%
Current Total 100


Seems to me the point has been made by the opinion of the folks who voted.

The "Experts" as you know already from your research cannot agree on the point.

So taking a look at what the opinion of the folk who took the time to vote it shows a clear opinion totally different from yours.

Remember of course the point of the thread is:

The Next Superpower in the World

Not now nor past but N E X T ...

ooops that vote bit was wrong sorry

China63%
Russia7%
United Kingdom5%
Germany5%
India14%
Brazi6%
Current Total100

Besides, the CS economics experts have spoken!


Did you say


Russia 77 % ?
Brazil 66 %?
China 64 % ? ( i did vote)


Houston we got a problem!

I have a definition that is widely accepted to be the basis for assigning the title 'superpower' to a nation. I provided it some pages back. If you are not working with this definition then what widely accepted definition are you working with?

""a “superpower” is a country that has the capacity to project dominating power and influence anywhere in the world, and sometimes, in more than one region of the globe at a time, and so may plausibly attain the status of global hegemon. The basic components of superpower stature may be measured along four axes of power: military, economic, political, and cultural""



Now, the reason why I cannot agree is that you have yet to provide a widely accepted definition that fits your argument preferring to make your case using quasi facts and then state they fit what a superpower (which you have yet to define) is.



So being rich makes a superpower then? That would mean Kuwait is a superpower as is the USA, Switzerland, the UAE and on and forth.



So competition is the criteria for being a superpower now?

Golly, you guys really ought to find a definition cause moving the goalposts like this with every argument just is not befitting of somebody who is supposed to be a rational person.



If that were the case then we would certainly see your 'superpower' hobbled then wouldn't we as they have no projection ability beyond throwing money at something.



Then that makes them a regional power.



Iran then is a superpower. As is North Korea, the US, Israel, Brazil, Pakistan etc.



Could but for the fact they had their hands in the pie on a global level. Cuba, South America, Asia, Europe and the Middle East,



Then as I said, there are already a dozen or so 'suoerpowers' already. What's one more.



Actually you have yet to provide the 'requirements' preferring to do the Shotstopper thing and just pretend you are working along some mysterious definition that only you know what it is.

Please, to have any credibility at all, provide a widely accepted definition as to what exactly a superpower is.




I will. And I in turn ask you to come up with a widely accepted definition as to what a superpower is so that we might even discuss this matter.

AlBERT I love the way you try to defect things by splitting the post your replying to.

The fact Kuwait has Money, Pakistan has Nuclear capabiliity And N Korea has a billion tonnes of noodles means diddly squat.

The requirements you ask for are all there ut you refuse to accept the fact.

Define things as you like compare each item one by one as you do.

Refer to so called experts whose defination has actually been rubbished by so many other experts....That is your main point and folk all can read and they see that your defination, well the one you quote hs actually been rubbished by other so called experts. That point is then moot as it is a matter of choice which expert you believe. And we all know our personal choices are related to our own bias.

Now the actual thread is

Who will be the next superpower

And 63% of folk are in agreement on CHINA....

Now that means the point of the argument is overwhelmingly in favour of China who have nearly 50% of the vote ahead of their nearest rivals.

So that alone give the credance to the Chinese as per the actual point of the thread.

You have twisted it to ask if they are NOW. Not the point of the thread Albert....That is who will be next.

And that clearly is going to be the CHINESE.

I personally like so many others give them that title already for all the reasons I gave earlier.

Alert it is no Good you quoting an expert as I and others have already shown you there are numerous "experts" and guess what they all disagree to some extent.

They point of the thread is who is NEXT.....and count the votes Albert....you are in a very very small minority.

And the opinions of those polled are based on what definition of superpower?

Really? I love the way you invent your own reality and facts tailor making the criteria fit the solution's.



Actually nobody has put forth any definition by any expert except myself.



Beg to differ. Nobody has brought forth any other definition thaat can be construed as widely accepted.



And this minority is using a definition to go by, not gut feel as to what a superpower should be or is.

Still avoiding the actual point of the thread Albert.

The Next Superpower in the World


And that is CHINA ...

And just for you Albert




Also.

China
See also: Chinese Century
People's Republic of China
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The People's Republic of China receives continual coverage in the popular press of its potential superpower status, and has been identified as a rising or emerging economic and military superpower by academics and other experts. In fact, the "rise of China" has been named the top news story of the 21st century by the Global Language Monitor, as measured by number of appearances in the global print and electronic media, on the Internet and blogosphere, and in Social Media.

Barry Buzan asserted in 2004 that "China certainly presents the most promising all-round profile" of a potential superpower. Buzan claimed that "China is currently the most fashionable potential superpower and the one whose degree of alienation from the dominant international society makes it the most obvious political challenger." However, he noted this challenge is constrained by the major challenges of development and by the fact that its rise could trigger a counter coalition of states in Asia.

Parag Khanna stated in 2008 that by making massive trade and investment deals with Latin America and Africa, China had established its presence as a superpower along with the European Union and the United States. China's rise is demonstrated by its ballooning share of trade in its gross domestic product. He believed that China's "consultative style" had allowed it to develop political and economic ties with many countries including those viewed as rogue states by the United States. He stated that the Shanghai Cooperation Organization founded with Russia and the Central Asian countries may eventually be the "NATO of the East".

Geoffrey Murphay's China: The Next Superpower (2008) argued that while the potential for China is high, this is fairly perceived only by looking at the risks and obstacles China faces in managing its population and resources. The political situation in China may become too fragile to survive into superpower status according to Susan Shirk in China: Fragile Superpower (2008). Other factors that could constrain China's ability to become a superpower in the future include: limited supplies of energy and raw materials, questions over its innovation capability, inequality and corruption, and risks to social stability and the environment. Minxin Pei argued in 2010 that China is not a superpower and it will be not be one anytime soon and argued that China faces daunting political and economic challenges. In 2012 she argued that China, despite using economic power to influence some nations, has few real friends or allies and is surrounded by potentially hostile nations. This situation could improve if regional territorial disputes would be resolved and China would participate in an effective regional defense system that would reduce the fears of its neighbors. Alternatively, a democratization of China would dramatically improve foreign relations with many nations. Amy Chua stated in 2007 that whether a country has enough pull to bring immigrants is an important quality for a superpower. She also wrote that China lacks the pull to bring scientists, thinkers, and innovators from other countries as immigrants. However, she believed that China made up for this with its own diaspora, and said that size and resources for them are unparalleled.

Economist and author of Eclipse: Living in the Shadow of China's Economic Dominance Arvind Subramanian argued in 2012 that China will direct the world's financial system by 2020 and that the Chinese renminbi will replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency in 10 to 15 years. The United States' soft power will remain longer. He stated that "China was a top dog economically for thousands of years prior to the Ming Dynasty. In some ways, the past few hundred years have been an aberration."

Lawrence Saez at the School of Oriental and African Studies, London, argued in 2011 that the United States will be surpassed by China as military superpower within twenty years. Regarding economic power, the Director of the China Center for Economic Reform at Peking University Yao Yang stated that "Assuming that the Chinese and U.S. economies grow, respectively, by 8% and 3% in real terms, that China's inflation rate is 3.6% and America's is 2% (the averages of the last decade), and that the renminbi appreciates against the dollar by 3% per year (the average of the last six years), China will become the world's largest economy by 2021. By that time, both countries' GDP will be about $24 trillion."