Should feminist activists fight for Muslim women rights, since it effects culture of the west ? (375)
123whisperMelbourne, Victoria Australia13 Threads 2 Polls 2,116 Postsstringman: they refurr US as big satan and Israel as little satan.
Sorry to laugh...Who ever refers such.... shouldn't be let inside your country.
123whisper: Sorry to laugh...Who ever refers such.... shouldn't be let inside your country.
wow. at last, you have grasped the situation.....as we see it.glory be....
123whisper: Sorry to laugh...Who ever refers such.... shouldn't be let inside your country.
I agree but tell that to your leaders with this PC BS.
stringman: I agree but tell that to your leaders with this PC BS.
I suppose you heard the old English joke "His pants were so tight you could tell his relion" I heard it in Golders Green.
no never heard that TOM.
whisper...
one might suggest that you are a ethnocentrist.
judging another culture solely by the values and standards of one's own culture. Ethnocentric individuals judge other groups relative to their own ethnic group or culture, especially with concern for language, behavior, customs, and religion.
the only way they will change is of their own free will.
for those muslims that break the law, authorities should prosecute those crimes to the fullest extent that the lands permit.
perhaps crisis centers and specialty schools can be set up for these women/men in extreme cases and for the ones who show a willingness to either defect completely from the religion of islam or learn how a less extreme, western version of the religion can be successful.
one might suggest that you are a ethnocentrist.
judging another culture solely by the values and standards of one's own culture. Ethnocentric individuals judge other groups relative to their own ethnic group or culture, especially with concern for language, behavior, customs, and religion.
the only way they will change is of their own free will.
for those muslims that break the law, authorities should prosecute those crimes to the fullest extent that the lands permit.
perhaps crisis centers and specialty schools can be set up for these women/men in extreme cases and for the ones who show a willingness to either defect completely from the religion of islam or learn how a less extreme, western version of the religion can be successful.
stringman: no never heard that TOM.
You have heard of Golders Green
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I think your on the wrong thread.
adventure4u: WESTERN LIBERALS ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN GETTING RID OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH O THE GROUNDS THAT CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE IS ANTI GAY AND MUST BE BANNED BECAUSE CHRISTIAN SERMONS INCITE ANTI GAY SPEECH AND ACTIONS> ONCE HILLIARY GETS JUST OE MORE LIBERAL ON THE EXTREME COURT THIS ARGUMENT WILL WIN AND FREEDOM OF FAITH WILL END I USA AS IT ALREADY HAS I CANADA AND UK> GAY EQUALITY AND FREEDOM OF FAITH AND SPEECH ABSOLUTELY CANNOT CO EXIST AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT. THE STATE HAS CHOSEN GAY EQUALITY NOT FREEDOM OF FAITH THE STATE IS NOT JUST UNGODLY IT IS OPENLY ANTI GOD INN USA AND EUROPE IN THE NAME OF GAY EQUALITY> WESTERN LIBERALS REMAIN SILENT AS GAYS GET THROWN OFF ROOFS I MUSLIM STATES BECAUSE ITS THE CHRISTIANS THE LIBERALS HATE NOT MUSLIMS
I would always celebrate Christmas and support Christian who are very foundation of our western civilisation, where Islam beliefs has never been part of our Western culture.I also believe that religion and politic should remain separated.
It sadness me to know that your country prosecute christians and patriots.
tomcatwarne: You have heard of Golders Green
no but I just read about it. google my friend.
purr4mance: whisper...
one might suggest that you are a ethnocentrist.
judging another culture solely by the values and standards of one's own culture. Ethnocentric individuals judge other groups relative to their own ethnic group or culture, especially with concern for language, behavior, customs, and religion.
the only way they will change is of their own free will.
for those muslims that break the law, authorities should prosecute those crimes to the fullest extent that the lands permit.
perhaps crisis centers and specialty schools can be set up for these women/men in extreme cases and for the ones who show a willingness to either defect completely from the religion of islam or learn how a less extreme, western version of the religion can be successful.
I am not Aussie born and I come to Australia in my about 20s.one might suggest that you are a ethnocentrist.
judging another culture solely by the values and standards of one's own culture. Ethnocentric individuals judge other groups relative to their own ethnic group or culture, especially with concern for language, behavior, customs, and religion.
the only way they will change is of their own free will.
for those muslims that break the law, authorities should prosecute those crimes to the fullest extent that the lands permit.
perhaps crisis centers and specialty schools can be set up for these women/men in extreme cases and for the ones who show a willingness to either defect completely from the religion of islam or learn how a less extreme, western version of the religion can be successful.
My own background culture is more traditionally patriarchal and it never crossed my mind to change Aussie's way of life to expect they should adopt to me ....except in hope that I be supported in my willing assimilation and hopeful to not get bullied when I make mistake in language expresion ...and therefor I don't see good reason why would new migrants have any extra privlages to rule everyone else by changing culture of land who adopt them.
I understand your point but I think the law needs to be much thaugher towards new migrants who purposely push for Sharia law and I think who ever allows them to make such demands... in my eyes is supporting threson.
123whisper: I am not Aussie born and I come to Australia in my about 20s.
My own background culture is more traditionally patriarchal and it never crossed my mind to change Aussie's way of life to expect they should adopt to me ....except in hope that I be supported in my willing assimilation and hopeful to not get bullied when I make mistake in language expresion ...and therefor I don't see good reason why would new migrants have any extra privlages to rule everyone else by changing culture of land who adopt them.
I understand your point but I think the law needs to be much thaugher towards new migrants who purposely push for Sharia law and I think who ever allows them to make such demands... in my eyes is supporting threson.
My own background culture is more traditionally patriarchal and it never crossed my mind to change Aussie's way of life to expect they should adopt to me ....except in hope that I be supported in my willing assimilation and hopeful to not get bullied when I make mistake in language expresion ...and therefor I don't see good reason why would new migrants have any extra privlages to rule everyone else by changing culture of land who adopt them.
I understand your point but I think the law needs to be much thaugher towards new migrants who purposely push for Sharia law and I think who ever allows them to make such demands... in my eyes is supporting threson.
tomcatwarne: I suppose you heard the old English joke "His pants were so tight you could tell his relion" I heard it in Golders Green.
Aiechem Shalom Tom
Even Whitechaple already if you can find any Jews or a synagogue now,
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Wish the immigrants today took your point of view, I wish you had emigrated to Uk.
123whisper: I am not Aussie born and I come to Australia in my about 20s.
My own background culture is more traditionally patriarchal and it never crossed my mind to change Aussie's way of life to expect they should adopt to me ....except in hope that I be supported in my willing assimilation and hopeful to not get bullied when I make mistake in language expresion ...and therefor I don't see good reason why would new migrants have any extra privlages to rule everyone else by changing culture of land who adopt them.
I understand your point but I think the law needs to be much thaugher towards new migrants who purposely push for Sharia law and I think who ever allows them to make such demands... in my eyes is supporting threson.
My own background culture is more traditionally patriarchal and it never crossed my mind to change Aussie's way of life to expect they should adopt to me ....except in hope that I be supported in my willing assimilation and hopeful to not get bullied when I make mistake in language expresion ...and therefor I don't see good reason why would new migrants have any extra privlages to rule everyone else by changing culture of land who adopt them.
I understand your point but I think the law needs to be much thaugher towards new migrants who purposely push for Sharia law and I think who ever allows them to make such demands... in my eyes is supporting threson.
According to Home Secretary, Theresa May, there is only one rule of law in the UK providing security for all citizens. There will be an independent review of whether Sharia discriminates against women, also "whether, and to what extent, the application of Sharia law may be incompatible with the law in England and Wales".
it appears that there are laws in effect at this time.
whisper, what needs to be addressed in the above law?
is it a matter of enforcement ?
tomcatwarne: Wish the immigrants today took your point of view, I wish you had emigrated to Uk.
Thank you my love.
I reached out to a female refugee with the openingline
that sisters should stick and support together
And she always can ask questions about the Netherlands
But it will be hard to fight womans right when the language isnt spoken
and they only speak Arabic
Womans right is a must because they are the ones who raise and interfere the most with their kids
that sisters should stick and support together
And she always can ask questions about the Netherlands
But it will be hard to fight womans right when the language isnt spoken
and they only speak Arabic
Womans right is a must because they are the ones who raise and interfere the most with their kids
EsterHellen: I reached out to a female refugee with the openingline
that sisters should stick and support together
And she always can ask questions about the Netherlands
But it will be hard to fight womans right when the language isnt spoken
and they only speak Arabic
Womans right is a must because they are the ones who raise and interfere the most with their kids
that sisters should stick and support together
And she always can ask questions about the Netherlands
But it will be hard to fight womans right when the language isnt spoken
and they only speak Arabic
Womans right is a must because they are the ones who raise and interfere the most with their kids
Surely she should adopt the language of her host country. In most countries full citizenship is dependent on this. Although in England a full translation service is offered because sometimes immigrants feign incomprehension, when questioned by public officials.
purr4mance: According to Home Secretary, Theresa May, there is only one rule of law in the UK providing security for all citizens. There will be an independent review of whether Sharia discriminates against women, also "whether, and to what extent, the application of Sharia law may be incompatible with the law in England and Wales".it appears that there are laws in effect at this time.
whisper, what needs to be addressed in the above law?
is it a matter of enforcement ?
In my view, it is the matter of enforcement where the law needs to be cristal clear that Sharia law has no place in Western culture,it's simple incompatible with western democracy,it's against any freedom of speech or personal freedom to chose how you dress and what your going to eat or not to eat....Islam is much political ideology that covers complete lifestyle,which includes what you can or can not do in bedroom with your partner...covers every tiny details and this people look up to Muhammed and they don't care for Western law.whisper, what needs to be addressed in the above law?
is it a matter of enforcement ?
purr4mance: According to Home Secretary, Theresa May, there is only one rule of law in the UK providing security for all citizens. There will be an independent review of whether Sharia discriminates against women, also "whether, and to what extent, the application of Sharia law may be incompatible with the law in England and Wales".it appears that there are laws in effect at this time.
whisper, what needs to be addressed in the above law?
is it a matter of enforcement ?
whisper, what needs to be addressed in the above law?
is it a matter of enforcement ?
A politician will never admit that the law isn't the same for all the citizens, but the reality shows otherwise, especially in UK Purr...
Sharia laws have already been proven against the women's rights...
But the fact that there is a religion based law that works within migrant's community and it is untouchable by the official law is mildly said against the rights of the whole nation, it can not be tolerated at any cost.
Jimmy5IA: Haven´t you got some ironing to do?
Yes,lay back and I will iron you ...but please don't scream for help...
In 2008, UK's government formally recognized the first Sharia Law court, and the Archbishop of Canterbury - the head of Church of England - conceded that adopting elements of the Sharia law into UK's court system was "unavoidable."
Since then, over 100 Sharia law courts have been established across the UK. Although they technically lie within the UK's Tribunal Court system, these Sharia courts have been issuing rulings that contradict Britain's common law, as well as European Union laws.
In 2011, Britain's Muslims began demanding that Sharia replace British common law and become the only law in towns with large Muslim populations, including Birmingham, Bradford, Derby, Dewsbury, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, Luton, Manchester, Sheffield, Waltham Forest and Tower Hamlets, an East London Muslim enclave whose streets are already plastered with posters declaring, "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone: Islamic rules enforced" (below) and where Muslim imams now issue death threats to women who refuse to wear the Muslim veil.
Muslim controlled zoneOne-third of Britain's high security prison inmates are Muslims.
To woo more upscale Muslims, most of London's financial institutions have become Sharia-compliant, which requires donating a portion of their profits to Muslim organizations designated by their Sharia-compliance advisors. When he was Prime Minister, Gordon Brown loftily declared that he wanted London to become the Islamic finance capital of the world.
His successor, David Cameron more soberly opined in 2011 that “multiculturalism has been a failure” in Europe and has promoted Islamic extremism. He admitted that the West has been “cautious, frankly even fearful” of standing up to it, and concluded:
“We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run completely counter to our values. This hands-off tolerance has only served to reinforce the sense that not enough is shared... What we see - and what we see in so many European countries - is a process of radicalization.”
Two years later in 2013, however, David Cameron bowed to pressure from the banking sector and announced that Britain will become the first non-Muslim nation to issue Sharia-compliant Islamic bonds, proudly declaring at the World Economic Islamic Forum:
"
Since then, over 100 Sharia law courts have been established across the UK. Although they technically lie within the UK's Tribunal Court system, these Sharia courts have been issuing rulings that contradict Britain's common law, as well as European Union laws.
In 2011, Britain's Muslims began demanding that Sharia replace British common law and become the only law in towns with large Muslim populations, including Birmingham, Bradford, Derby, Dewsbury, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, Luton, Manchester, Sheffield, Waltham Forest and Tower Hamlets, an East London Muslim enclave whose streets are already plastered with posters declaring, "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone: Islamic rules enforced" (below) and where Muslim imams now issue death threats to women who refuse to wear the Muslim veil.
Muslim controlled zoneOne-third of Britain's high security prison inmates are Muslims.
To woo more upscale Muslims, most of London's financial institutions have become Sharia-compliant, which requires donating a portion of their profits to Muslim organizations designated by their Sharia-compliance advisors. When he was Prime Minister, Gordon Brown loftily declared that he wanted London to become the Islamic finance capital of the world.
His successor, David Cameron more soberly opined in 2011 that “multiculturalism has been a failure” in Europe and has promoted Islamic extremism. He admitted that the West has been “cautious, frankly even fearful” of standing up to it, and concluded:
“We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run completely counter to our values. This hands-off tolerance has only served to reinforce the sense that not enough is shared... What we see - and what we see in so many European countries - is a process of radicalization.”
Two years later in 2013, however, David Cameron bowed to pressure from the banking sector and announced that Britain will become the first non-Muslim nation to issue Sharia-compliant Islamic bonds, proudly declaring at the World Economic Islamic Forum:
"
I wonder why nobody is trying to change the law or anything else in Muslim countries with multicultural society like UAE for example.
Everybody knows that the locals are an absolute minority...?!
Everybody knows that the locals are an absolute minority...?!
Seriously, it sounds like a lot of you don't know jack when it comes to Feminism, period (and I'm no authority on it either).
My fried recently wrote and published 'Women's Issues for a New Generation.' Chapter 20 in her book speaks with clarity on these issues ..... Women in Muslim Countries... It's worth the read imho.
My fried recently wrote and published 'Women's Issues for a New Generation.' Chapter 20 in her book speaks with clarity on these issues ..... Women in Muslim Countries... It's worth the read imho.
Seriously, it sounds like a lot of you don't know jack when it comes to Feminism, period (and I'm no authority on it either).
Myfried friend recently wrote and published 'Women's Issues for a New Generation.' Chapter 20 in her book speaks with clarity on these issues ..... Women in Muslim Countries... It's worth the read imho.
My
KremaP: I wonder why nobody is trying to change the law or anything else in Muslim countries with multicultural society like UAE for example.
Everybody knows that the locals are an absolute minority...?!
Everybody knows that the locals are an absolute minority...?!
Who dares to try changing the law in Muslim countries ...it's like putting hand in Wasp nest. This rich Muslim countries doesn't even want to take any refugees of their own muslim religion.
Why ? I think answer is simple...spread the Islam to the west.---- IMAGE REMOVED because photobucket.com no longer allows embedded images ----
KremaP: A politician will never admit that the law isn't the same for all the citizens, but the reality shows otherwise, especially in UK Purr...
Sharia laws have already been proven against the women's rights...
But the fact that there is a religion based law that works within migrant's community and it is untouchable by the official law is mildly said against the rights of the whole nation, it can not be tolerated at any cost.
Sharia laws have already been proven against the women's rights...
But the fact that there is a religion based law that works within migrant's community and it is untouchable by the official law is mildly said against the rights of the whole nation, it can not be tolerated at any cost.
that's a given, people with money will always have the best representation when it comes to defense.
i think i did read that somewhere regarding Sharia law in one of the 50 or so sharia courts in the uk. (i could be wrong, but don't think so) i have to REASONABLY assume that the courts in britain monitored the offenses case by case of the sharia laws that were broken and they most likely paralleled britain's laws so they didn't intercede.
show me where sharia law overruled britain's law?
religion based law or theology seems to live in britain and i think the country is trying to accommodate muslims because there are so many. there has to be a panel of authorities that keeps an eye on what these sharia courts are up to. once the line is crossed and the few sharia laws that do exist break britain's law i would think they would put an end to it. i certainly don't think britain is going to start allowing beheadings.
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