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Feb 18, 2018 9:49 AM CSTBringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?

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I am sure most of us from the US are aware that these facilities were closed during the Reagan Administration.

What has changed? Good or bad.
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Feb 18, 2018 9:52 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
Did Reagan’s Crazy Mental Health Policies Cause Today’s Homelessness?
By Joel John Roberts | Oct 14, 2013

"Recently, a 34-year-old woman rammed her car into barricades outside the White House while her infant daughter was in the back seat. The police, thinking it was an act of terror, chased her down and shot her to death.

Later, we learned she was actually struggling with mental illness.

This came not long after another 34-year-old, this one a man who heard voices and thought people were out to hurt him, walked into the Washington Navy Yard and gunned down 12 people."


Wow, I only came across this now. What a world.
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Feb 18, 2018 9:53 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
lindsyjones: What has changed?

Now you have a lot more folks who belong in them.
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Feb 18, 2018 9:55 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
rolling on the floor laughing laugh I think so too, Harbal..cheers
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Feb 18, 2018 9:56 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
I meant to add, during Reagan's Administration.
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Feb 18, 2018 10:01 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
lindsyjones: I think so too, Harbal..

Just to be fair, so have we. cheers
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Feb 18, 2018 10:05 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
Harbal: Just to be fair, so have we.


Well do you have mental wards? Or do you have a system to take care of them?
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Feb 18, 2018 10:14 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
lindsyjones: Well do you have mental wards? Or do you have a system to take care of them?

I don't know. They got rid of the big institutional mental hospitals years ago. I suppose there must be mental wards somewhere. I think they favour what they call "care in the community" these days, I guess it's cheaper. Our mental health system is in crisis, apparently, it's been neglected.
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Feb 18, 2018 10:16 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
lindsyjones: I meant to add, during Reagan's Administration.
yes,dems n libs need the care or get rid of their dem/ons,demonuts,lol.
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Feb 18, 2018 10:18 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
reb56: yes,dems n libs need the care or get rid of their dem/ons,demonuts,lol.

Don't Republicans ever suffer mental health issues, reb?
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Feb 18, 2018 10:23 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
Lind

In B.C. the provincial government in the eighties decided to cut funding of our mental health facilities...some made the down town east side their home...what do you think happened...many not taking their medications or using other substances then becoming homeless...

It is a sad way of dealing with mental illness...many are not coping with life outside of the safety of those institutions and the staff that support them...

Hosting the Olympics show cased the troubled people from the east side of Vancouver...the poorest address in Canada...blues

Residential homes and support systems that can help people coping with mental health issues is a must...and recognizing that some cannot cope with life in the community at large...they have been institutionalized for too long...some do not know how to shop, cook or keep a job...
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Feb 18, 2018 10:25 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
Harbal: I don't know. They got rid of the big institutional mental hospitals years ago. I suppose there must be mental wards somewhere. I think they favour what they call "care in the community" these days, I guess it's cheaper. Our mental health system is in crisis, apparently, it's been neglected.


Before Reagan's time Harbal, we had super big facilities in almost every town. My mom after her retirement volunteered so many of her times at these facilities and she comes home once in a while crying because of the helplessness of the patient as well as the care giver. I visited one time and it is not a very sad sight all the time as some of them are not really crazy. The real bad ones were sedated most of the time and I called them the "living dead."

I think part of the reasons why it happened, the closure I mean is the report that most of them patients were abused. I don't think so. How could you inflict abuse on people that are not even aware of their own surroundings let alone knowing what is right or wrong.

I admired the patience of most of the caregivers like my mom.

It is sad but medical supplies to lessen the burden and or make the situation better was there.

Anyways, after the closure, there were many incidents where these people caused so much damaged to those that are rather normal.

Read the article I posted on number three.
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Feb 18, 2018 10:29 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
lindsyjones: Before Reagan's time Harbal, we had super big facilities in almost every town. My mom after her retirement volunteered so many of her times at these facilities and she comes home once in a while crying because of the helplessness of the patient as well as the care giver. I visited one time and it is not a very sad sight all the time as some of them are not really crazy. The real bad ones were sedated most of the time and I called them the "living dead."

I think part of the reasons why it happened, the closure I mean is the report that most of them patients were abused. I don't think so. How could you inflict abuse on people that are not even aware of their own surroundings let alone knowing what is right or wrong.

I admired the patience of most of the caregivers like my mom.

It is sad but medical supplies to lessen the burden and or make the situation better was there.

Anyways, after the closure, there were many incidents where these people caused so much damaged to those that are rather normal.

Read the article I posted on number three.


As well as to themselves, too. They still do and you just have to be aware of your surroundings because you never know whom you encounter.

I was in a store one time and someone was throwing fruits and everything on the floor while crying at the same time.

Thank God, the security came and stopped the incident, what happened after that I don't know. Take him to jail?
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Feb 18, 2018 10:30 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
Harbal: Don't Republicans ever suffer mental health issues, reb?


This is an illness that has no preference whom it afflicts Harbal..rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing Of course we do have so many of them as well..
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Feb 18, 2018 10:31 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
loulou77: Lind

In B.C. the provincial government in the eighties decided to cut funding of our mental health facilities...some made the down town east side their home...what do you think happened...many not taking their medications or using other substances then becoming homeless...

It is a sad way of dealing with mental illness...many are not coping with life outside of the safety of those institutions and the staff that support them...

Hosting the Olympics show cased the troubled people from the east side of Vancouver...the poorest address in Canada...

Residential homes and support systems that can help people coping with mental health issues is a must...and recognizing that some cannot cope with life in the community at large...they have been institutionalized for too long...some do not know how to shop, cook or keep a job...


How do you cope with them Lou, I meant the government. Here in our State, I am so aware of the fact that they are left to their own relatives. Very sad.
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Feb 18, 2018 11:08 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
Lind

Many are homeless...drug addicted...they end up in the hospital and then sent to a shelter...after recovery...some live in assisted living homes but many are too damaged to be able to live with others...there are low income housing being built but that services the ones that can manage on their own...but at least the situation is getting some press...and people are concerned...
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Feb 18, 2018 11:26 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA72 Threads 2 Polls 3,170 Posts
The cheapest thing would be to just buy them all a laptop and sign them up to CS.professor
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Feb 18, 2018 11:40 AM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
R_U_the_1_4_me
R_U_the_1_4_meR_U_the_1_4_meBuffalo, New York USA346 Posts
How about two parent households where kids were brought up properly!!! And stop the bullshit excuse that when kids do something wrong, they're just children and children will do that, nip that shiit in the bud now before they do the shiit they are doing now!!!
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Feb 18, 2018 12:04 PM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
Miwagi: The cheapest thing would be to just buy them all a laptop and sign them up to CS.


I hope you have more compassion...blues
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Feb 18, 2018 12:04 PM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
ChesneyChristonline today!
ChesneyChristonline today!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK4,659 Posts
Ignoring the problem is both palatable and cheap... for a bit. But eventually you have to take responsibility in some way, a ghoulishly cheap one I expect.
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Feb 18, 2018 12:09 PM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
R_U_the_1_4_me: How about two parent households where kids were brought up properly!!! And stop the bullshit excuse that when kids do something wrong, they're just children and children will do that, nip that shiit in the bud now before they do the shiit they are doing now!!!


You cannot force this...lol...and mental illness is not about the lack of two parents...look at Kliebold...they were united until their son had killed...not simplistic...

Mental health needs to be addressed...forgotten people...blues
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Feb 18, 2018 12:17 PM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
loulou77: Lind

Many are homeless...drug addicted...they end up in the hospital and then sent to a shelter...after recovery...some live in assisted living homes but many are too damaged to be able to live with others...there are low income housing being built but that services the ones that can manage on their own...but at least the situation is getting some press...and people are concerned...


These are important issues that need to be addressed really and get some funding from both the State and Fed and to me Reagan just made an easy excuse in order to avoid the expenses. Terrible. Here in the US we have to bring those services back.

Like you said, so many of them are way too far gone to be able to fend for themselves, who will take care of them then?
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Feb 18, 2018 3:08 PM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
raphael119online today!
raphael119online today!raphael119washington d.c., District of Columbia USA33 Threads 4 Polls 5,163 Posts
I thought this issue was addressed well in "One flew over the cuckoos' nest".
A court case as I recall involving forcing meds on people that dont want it in the 60s or 70s?
Also the days where you could be locked down and drugged for life at the phone call of 2 doctors in institutions as bad as nazi prison camps in the 50s and 60s ?
The institutions failed and the solution was to throw the mentally ill out at the entrance on the snow.
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Feb 18, 2018 3:25 PM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
Not so in Ohio USA. The real mentally challenged are well looked after. Beginning with State Governor Gilligan in the early 70s, we’ve taken extra steps to protect them from bodily harm such as requiring they wear football helmets while they play on swing sets and jungle Jim’s and they must at least wear thongs while in the cafeterias or other assembly location. thumbs up
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Feb 18, 2018 3:40 PM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
Harbal: Don't Republicans ever suffer mental health issues, reb?
yes its dems n libs,they shoot us n they say gun control/stop peace,the levi will break someday,we are taking notes.
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Feb 18, 2018 4:37 PM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
raphael119online today!
raphael119online today!raphael119washington d.c., District of Columbia USA33 Threads 4 Polls 5,163 Posts
galrads: Not so in Ohio USA. The real mentally challenged are well looked after. Beginning with State Governor Gilligan in the early 70s, we’ve taken extra steps to protect them from bodily harm such as requiring they wear football helmets while they play on swing sets and jungle Jim’s and they must at least wear thongs while in the cafeterias or other assembly location.


Damn you should take that up with your religious institution. Ohio might just have an answer to moral and spiritual obligations of all sorts. uh oh uh oh uh oh
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Feb 18, 2018 4:40 PM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
raphael119online today!
raphael119online today!raphael119washington d.c., District of Columbia USA33 Threads 4 Polls 5,163 Posts
raphael119: Damn you should take that up with your religious institution. Ohio might just have an answer to moral and spiritual obligations of all sorts.


No more Nazi prison camps forever !
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Feb 18, 2018 4:42 PM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA72 Threads 2 Polls 3,170 Posts
Brilliant Ralphy, bring back frontal lobotomy.scold
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Feb 18, 2018 5:12 PM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
Holy Phrack,Ralphy broke Godwin's Law!wow
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Feb 18, 2018 9:21 PM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
Miwagi: Brilliant Ralphy, bring back frontal lobotomy.
thumbs up
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Feb 18, 2018 10:53 PM CST Bringing back the Mental Facilities that were closed during Reagan, agree or disagree?
R_U_the_1_4_me
R_U_the_1_4_meR_U_the_1_4_meBuffalo, New York USA346 Posts
They stuck them in 1/2 way houses, then when they don't take their meds or wander off, who watches over them? A1/2 way house is NOT a lock down, they are free to go and do what they want! That would make the closing of these places almost 40 years ago, but these people today are much younger now, so who's watching after or taking care of them? Can you actually FORCE someone to get treatment, or do they even know if they are mentally ill until they do something?
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