Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/? (616)

Sep 24, 2010 3:05 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
Interesting. The majority of respondents believe 9/11 was an inside job.

I'm one of them, btw. head banger
Sep 24, 2010 3:08 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
Ambrose2007: Interesting. The majority of respondents believe 9/11 was an inside job.

I'm one of them, btw.
Planes definitely went INSIDE the Buildings!conversing
Sep 24, 2010 3:09 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
Oh, by the way, HI, A!! hug cheers Good to see you again.
Sep 24, 2010 3:09 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
Conrad73: Planes definitely went INSIDE the Buildings!


True (hi, Conrad). But there's rather more to it than that. head banger
Sep 24, 2010 3:10 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
Ambrose2007: Interesting. The majority of respondents believe 9/11 was an inside job.

I'm one of them, btw.


Why can't people just take the obvious for granted and live with it ? doh laugh
Sep 24, 2010 3:10 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
Ambrose2007: Oh, by the way, HI, A!! Good to see you again.


Are you lovin' the new me? blushing laugh heart beating
Sep 24, 2010 3:11 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
jvaski: Why can't people just take the obvious for granted and live with it ?


I wonder the same thing, I. blushing head banger
Sep 24, 2010 3:11 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
Ambrose2007: True (hi, Conrad). But there's rather more to it than that.
wave Hi!
Sep 24, 2010 3:11 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
Conrad73: Planes definitely went INSIDE the Buildings!

Yea...........then the crash heat disintegrated the building core and allowed the floors to collapse upon each other ....doh
Sep 24, 2010 3:12 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
Conrad73: Hi!


Are you looking forward to watching the new Atlas Shrugged movie, staring...well...what's-their-names? laugh confused sad flower
Sep 24, 2010 3:12 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
jvaski: Yea...........then the crash heat disintegrated the building core and allowed the floors to collapse upon each other ....

I don't recall seeing explosions going off just before the collapses ..........roll eyes
Sep 24, 2010 3:13 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
Ambrose2007: Are you looking forward to watching the new Atlas Shrugged movie, staringstarring...well...what's-their-names?


doh dunno
Sep 24, 2010 3:14 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
jvaski: Yea...........then the crash heat disintegrated the building core and allowed the floors to collapse upon each other ....


except that buliding no. 7 was never hit and it fell down like a deck of cards. wonder what kind of invisible impact really that was!laugh
Sep 24, 2010 3:16 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
NCC1968
NCC1968NCC1968Van Nuys, California USA3 Threads 3 Polls 839 Posts
Anyone w/ exp in logistics knows that a consp of this magnitude is just way too complex to pull off w/o leaving huge amounts of evidence.....and there is none other than bits spoken about by people displaying ignorance.
Sep 24, 2010 3:16 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
jvaski: I don't recall seeing explosions going off just before the collapses ..........


Perhaps because you weren't watching the news that day (because explosions were mentioned several times on major news channels). Fortunately, you can remedy that lapse by watching some Youtube videos.
Sep 24, 2010 3:18 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
NCC1968
NCC1968NCC1968Van Nuys, California USA3 Threads 3 Polls 839 Posts
mnowsa: except that buliding no. 7 was never hit and it fell down like a deck of cards. wonder what kind of invisible impact really that was!


Look again....it was indeed hit - if you pay attention you will figure it out.
Sep 24, 2010 3:36 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
NCC1968: Anyone w/ exp in logistics knows that a consp of this magnitude is just way too complex to pull off w/o leaving huge amounts of evidence.....and there is none other than bits spoken about by people displaying ignorance.


I would say that applies precisely to those who believe the government agitprop-sound bite absent impartial critical analysis.

Even former 9/11 commissioners, as well as the senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission, John Farmer, have stated that many of the facts as we know them are false. I'm not saying that they're claiming a direct Bush Administration involvement/planning, but they have firmly opened the door to the notion much has not been revealed about the events of that day, as well as much of what we know is false.

The bottom line is that no one who makes blanket statements of the "anything contrary to the Bush Administration conspiracy theory is the product of nutcases" variety has performed anything resembling an in-depth study of 9/11 events. The vast majority of those who makes such statements, in my observation, have simply made some deductions from a few newspaper and/or internet blurbs - deductions based largely, it would seem, on certain a priori assumptions (e.g., "...a consp of this magnitude is just way too complex to pull off..."

This despite - as anyone with a modicum of historical reading knows - that governments, most notably in this instance the USG, have maintained conspiracies for decades if not longer. Also, this claim ignores the contrary claim that evidence disputing the mainstream conspiracy theory does in fact exist - in rather large abundance, as it turns out - which forms the basis for rational skepticism of the Bush et al assertions.
Sep 24, 2010 3:55 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Sep 24, 2010 4:02 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Just thought of a new conspiracy theory regarding 9/11!!!!


I'm thinking maybe the Muslims that want to build the mosque
a few blocks away, were behind it.

laugh
Sep 24, 2010 4:19 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
StressFree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_American_Century


Exactly, T. head banger

First, I'd like to point out the obvious: the legions of ex-intelligence personnel, government officials (Christ, even former presidential John Kerry openly acknowledged his doubts about the fall of WTC 7, saying "demolition" was a possibility, in his view!), professional people (architects, engineers, physicists, etc.), and even former 9/11 commissioners who question the Bush Conspiracy Theory are not "crackpots" or "nuts" by and large. To suggest so is to indulge in crass silliness.

I'm not going to argue the specifics about what happened (or I believe may have happened) on 9/11. Instead, I'm going to ask those who believe most or all of the Bush Administration claims while dismissing opposing claims as "nonsense" or "crackpottery": To what degree is your dismissal based on an even-handed consideration of the arguments/evidence both pro and con as opposed to certain a priori assumptions based on minimal reading/study?
Sep 24, 2010 4:22 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
csharpe101
csharpe101csharpe101Aurora, Colorado USA1 Threads 131 Posts
aspen12: WHAT PEOPLE BELEIVE
possibly who knows what those people are sayin now about it!! confused confused dunno dunno scold scold
Sep 24, 2010 7:24 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
Ambrose2007: Well, I think it can be critical to know history, otherwise you might be compelled to repeat it.


I'm not so sure anyone would be compelled to repeat history, although they could certainly be duped into repeating it by not understanding it.

The big lie in this case is the conspiracy theory, not history, and delusions and wishful thinking aside, there's nothing to support any collusion whatosever between any member of our government and Al Queda. Going so far as to claim that Al Queda wasn't even involved is enough to put someone in the queue for a straight jacket.
Sep 24, 2010 7:27 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
NCC1968
NCC1968NCC1968Van Nuys, California USA3 Threads 3 Polls 839 Posts
If I were Sec of Defense I'd let a plane hit the building I WAS INdoh
Sep 24, 2010 7:30 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
cycloneozzy
cycloneozzycycloneozzymetairie, Louisiana USA2 Threads 243 Posts
osama is probably watching us now..devil
Sep 24, 2010 7:31 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
deadbutwhy
deadbutwhydeadbutwhyeast, Eastern Province Saudi Arabia9 Threads 2 Polls 1,295 Posts
NCC1968: If I were Sec of Defense I'd let a plane hit the building I WAS IN
Who said he was in there? doh
Sep 24, 2010 7:34 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
gardenhackle: I'm not so sure anyone would be compelled to repeat history, although they could certainly be duped into repeating it by not understanding it.

The big lie in this case is the conspiracy theory, not history, and delusions and wishful thinking aside, there's nothing to support any collusion whatosever between any member of our government and Al Queda. Going so far as to claim that Al Queda wasn't even involved is enough to put someone in the queue for a straight jacket.



I'd agree that the big lie is a "conspiracy theory," but would suggest that applies to the mainstream theory).

Well, Garden, I'd ask you the same question that I asked above about a priori-based versus impartial empirical analysis. Shall I assume that you've performed a thorough overview of the arguments and counterarguments for the mainstream conspiracy theory? Because surely it would be impossible to rationally hold a strong opinion on the matter sans such a thorough overview, correct? Which is why I personally did perform such an overview - reading both supporters (e.g., Popular Mechanics/Skeptical Inquirer) and critics.

Personally, I think anyone who doesn't question the Bush Administration conspiracy theory is part of a queue of non-critical thinkers who have little interest in or knowledge of the events in question.
Sep 24, 2010 7:35 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
NCC1968
NCC1968NCC1968Van Nuys, California USA3 Threads 3 Polls 839 Posts
deadbutwhy: Who said he was in there?


Sep 24, 2010 8:01 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
Ambrose2007: Perhaps because you weren't watching the news that day (because explosions were mentioned several times on major news channels). Fortunately, you can remedy that lapse by watching some Youtube videos.


Gas and electrical explosions happen when a building of that size goes down....dunno
Sep 24, 2010 8:06 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
NCC1968
NCC1968NCC1968Van Nuys, California USA3 Threads 3 Polls 839 Posts
jvaski: Gas and electrical explosions happen when a building of that size goes down....


But that's reasonable....so it's gotta be wrongfrustrated
Sep 24, 2010 8:39 PM CST Do you beleive 9\11 was a inside job/?
simpleman579
simpleman579simpleman579ignacio, Colorado USA3 Threads 68 Posts
if you call sleeper cells an inside job yea.

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