Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012! (777)

Nov 6, 2010 6:52 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
steve6610
steve6610steve6610Goolwa, South Australia Australia2,184 Posts
ttom500: Make sense to me. If we have a air base in Northern AU....we can hop from Pearl to AU to Diego Garcia to Afghanistan. It is a logistic link to Afghanistan from the south and west (er East if you are in Afghanistan)

Remember the Russian are letting us use the a northern route to the country...but no munitions or weapons being shipped.....they must want us to use rocks....

So it is a logistic route into Central Asia that by passes the Middle East and Persian Gulf. EG....Petreaus asked for convert operations a couple months ago for CEN COMM. Pretty hard to get a convert operation thru the Suez canal or over fly it via the radars on region.


Tom I believe that is also part of the interest, also the runway & facilities are to be designed to carry heavy aircraft so B52s can use it if need be & Northern Territory with its proximity to Se Asia is also a suitable location for rescue & survailance observations
Nov 6, 2010 7:08 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
steve6610: Tom I believe that is also part of the interest, also the runway & facilities are to be designed to carry heavy aircraft so B52s can use it if need be & Northern Territory with its proximity to Se Asia is also a suitable location for rescue & survailance observations


Subic bay is watched like a hawk by the unfriendlies in the region. They do so much trawler fishing out side of the bay enterance there...they have over fished it. grin I hear they pull nothing but empty nets.....
but come back time and time again.

So to use Phillipine as logistic point for a covert operation...is not the most secure. From the PH to Diego Garcia....you overfly either Indonesia, The Straits near Signapore, then tip of India....each one is a potential radar compromise of your mission. From AU you can miss the radars.
Nov 6, 2010 7:09 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
ttom500: Subic bay is watched like a hawk by the unfriendlies in the region. They do so much trawler fishing out side of the bay enterance there...they have over fished it. I hear they pull nothing but empty nets.....
but come back time and time again.

So to use Phillipine as logistic point for a covert operation...is not the most secure. From the PH to Diego Garcia....you overfly either Indonesia, The Straits near Signapore, then tip of India....each one is a potential radar compromise of your mission. From AU you can miss the radars.
you sure they even pull any Nets?rolling on the floor laughing
Nov 6, 2010 7:13 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Conrad73: you sure they even pull any Nets?


All I can tell you it has been over fished since the 1980s........laugh
Nov 6, 2010 7:16 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
ttom500: All I can tell you it has been over fished since the 1980s........
not even any Durgeons left?rolling on the floor laughing
Nov 6, 2010 7:17 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
mikygr
mikygrmikygrNextToYou, South Aegean Greece8 Threads 2 Polls 575 Posts
ttom500: Subic bay is watched like a hawk by the unfriendlies in the region. They do so much trawler fishing out side of the bay enterance there...they have over fished it. I hear they pull nothing but empty nets.....
but come back time and time again.

So to use Phillipine as logistic point for a covert operation...is not the most secure. From the PH to Diego Garcia....you overfly either Indonesia, The Straits near Signapore, then tip of India....each one is a potential radar compromise of your mission. From AU you can miss the radars.


To where so? And what about the distance? Tell me more.
Nov 6, 2010 7:33 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
mikygr: To where so? And what about the distance? Tell me more.


Find a map....and you can see it.

There are radar concentrated places in the world and there open radar area of the world. If you going to do a covert operation....you execute them from open radar places in the world.

Range has nothing to do with it. Most of our military transport aircraft can do in flight refueling.

But a C-5A. C-131 or C-141 you don't hide on radars. So to use them in the covert ops....you need radar open airspace or air space that you trust.

As for where....pick a point on the map of Central Asia....that could be were.grin
Nov 6, 2010 7:41 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Conrad73: not even any Durgeons left?


They aren't even getting crap, Conrad....the way I heard it.....the Russian and Chinese trawler would drift in Subic bay enterance.... laying net.

Then....a few hours later.....pull it. But they never had any catches.
But they were there day after day after day. Now I don't know about you.

But around here....a fisherman misses a catch in the same place a few times....and he is trying a new fishing hole...ASAP. That is the difference from being on Capitolist system and a Socialist system.

They would pay them to catch nothing....just to radar and monitor those battle carrier fleets going in and out of Subic bay.
Nov 6, 2010 7:57 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
steve6610
steve6610steve6610Goolwa, South Australia Australia2,184 Posts
ttom500: They aren't even getting crap, Conrad....the way I heard it.....the Russian and Chinese trawler would drift in Subic bay enterance.... laying net.

Then....a few hours later.....pull it. But they never had any catches.
But they were there day after day after day. Now I don't know about you.

But around here....a fisherman misses a catch in the same place a few times....and he is trying a new fishing hole...ASAP. That is the difference from being on Capitolist system and a Socialist system.

They would pay them to catch nothing....just to radar and monitor those battle carrier fleets going in and out of Subic bay.



Tom youre not saying Russia & China would do something as sneaky as making out they are fishing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Nov 6, 2010 7:58 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
ttom500: They aren't even getting crap, Conrad....the way I heard it.....the Russian and Chinese trawler would drift in Subic bay enterance.... laying net.

Then....a few hours later.....pull it. But they never had any catches.
But they were there day after day after day. Now I don't know about you.

But around here....a fisherman misses a catch in the same place a few times....and he is trying a new fishing hole...ASAP. That is the difference from being on Capitolist system and a Socialist system.

They would pay them to catch nothing....just to radar and monitor those battle carrier fleets going in and out of Subic bay.
at least give them something to do while they wait for the Fish to come back!laugh
Nov 6, 2010 8:17 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
steve6610: Tom youre not saying Russia & China would do something as sneaky as making out they are fishing


All I know is the Marines on the beach were watching them with glass and optic as they pulled the empty nets. And you had the guys on the battle carrier fleet hoot at them as they left port....they might send a pair of F-15 over them to wake them up...so they knew a carrier was pulling out....

leading to this really great story....of a F-15 doing a close fly by of a Russian trawler.

The Russian trawler sitting out there....and F-15 pilot and REO has him on the look down radar. So goes out of radar range.....drops to the deck....and busses the trawler doing mach 2. You thought Tom Cruise was fun in Top Gun.....a mach 2 close fly by will definitely shake your coffee.

When Cruise did it...he had the F-!5 wings extended and no burners. Mach 2 they are pulled back and you got afterburner on. The F-15 becomes a manned missile with a rooster tail down low like that.

The F-15 crew joked that they washed the trawlers windows....... grin
Nov 6, 2010 8:18 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
steve6610
steve6610steve6610Goolwa, South Australia Australia2,184 Posts
ttom500: All I know is the Marines on the beach were watching them with glass and optic as they pulled the empty nets. And you had the guys on the battle carrier fleet hoot at them as they left port....they might send a pair of F-15 over them to wake them up...so they knew a carrier was pulling out....

leading to this really great story....of a F-15 doing a close fly by of a Russian trawler.

The Russian trawler sitting out there....and F-15 pilot and REO has him on the look down radar. So goes out of radar range.....drops to the deck....and busses the trawler doing mach 2. You thought Tom Cruise was fun in Top Gun.....a mach 2 close fly by will definitely shake your coffee.

When Cruise did it...he had the F-!5 wings extended and no burners. Mach 2 they are pulled back and you got afterburner on. The F-15 becomes a manned missile with a rooster tail down low like that.

The F-15 crew joked that they washed the trawlers windows.......


rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Nov 6, 2010 8:18 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
ttom500: All I know is the Marines on the beach were watching them with glass and optic as they pulled the empty nets. And you had the guys on the battle carrier fleet hoot at them as they left port....they might send a pair of F-15 over them to wake them up...so they knew a carrier was pulling out....

leading to this really great story....of a F-15 doing a close fly by of a Russian trawler.

The Russian trawler sitting out there....and F-15 pilot and REO has him on the look down radar. So goes out of radar range.....drops to the deck....and busses the trawler doing mach 2. You thought Tom Cruise was fun in Top Gun.....a mach 2 close fly by will definitely shake your coffee.

When Cruise did it...he had the F-!5 wings extended and no burners. Mach 2 they are pulled back and you got afterburner on. The F-15 becomes a manned missile with a rooster tail down low like that.

The F-15 crew joked that they washed the trawlers windows.......
yay rolling on the floor laughing
Nov 6, 2010 8:25 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
ttom500: All I know is the Marines on the beach were watching them with glass and optic as they pulled the empty nets. And you had the guys on the battle carrier fleet hoot at them as they left port....they might send a pair of F-15 over them to wake them up...so they knew a carrier was pulling out....

leading to this really great story....of a F-15 doing a close fly by of a Russian trawler.

The Russian trawler sitting out there....and F-15 pilot and REO has him on the look down radar. So goes out of radar range.....drops to the deck....and busses the trawler doing mach 2. You thought Tom Cruise was fun in Top Gun.....a mach 2 close fly by will definitely shake your coffee.

When Cruise did it...he had the F-!5 wings extended and no burners. Mach 2 they are pulled back and you got afterburner on. The F-15 becomes a manned missile with a rooster tail down low like that.

The F-15 crew joked that they washed the trawlers windows.......


I know myglr....it is a violation of international airspace....let me get the F-15 tail number for you.................................whoops to fast to get......................................................grin
Nov 6, 2010 8:27 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
steve6610
steve6610steve6610Goolwa, South Australia Australia2,184 Posts
ttom500: I know myglr....it is a violation of international airspace....let me get the F-15 tail number for you.................................whoops to fast to get......................................................



They really need speed detectors up there with police F-15s . Excuse me pilot you were going a bit over the limit werent you. rolling on the floor laughing
Nov 6, 2010 8:28 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
steve6610: They really need speed detectors up there with police F-15s . Excuse me pilot you were going a bit over the limit werent you.
yes Ociffer,just One Mach or so!rolling on the floor laughing
Nov 6, 2010 8:29 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
steve6610
steve6610steve6610Goolwa, South Australia Australia2,184 Posts
Conrad73: yes Ociffer,just One Mach or so!



Can you step out of the vehicle please sir... But officer my wife wanted me to pick up the milk & I late home rolling on the floor laughing
Nov 6, 2010 8:29 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
YankeeJ: Buddy, what the hell are you talking about? he had to compromise the past 2 years? how so? he had free reign to pass anything and do anything he wanted. He could have introduced a bill where all republican senators had to ride unicycles down the steps of the capital building every day and it would have passed because he had majority in congress!!! if you have majority, you win. you dont need to compromise!!! and why do you think this puts everything at gridlock? its a GOOD thing. it slows down government which allows for rewording and re writing of bills to be agreeable with both parties (which support the two main ideologies of the American people). Through gridlock we get compromise! its always worked like that!!! its always been succesful in periods like this!!!

And the shift in power is common in American history! it is a rare occasion for there to be a president with the same party controling congress after the first mid term elections. Why? because the American people do not want all one side!!! they need the other to get everyones point of view in!!! you cant have a government based on democracy only have one ideology be reflected in policy. it needs to be BALANCED to make the AMERICAN PEOPLE HAPPY!!!

you have no idea what you are talking about!!!


Pretty damn smart! professor thumbs up
Nov 6, 2010 8:32 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
steve6610: Can you step out of the vehicle please sir... But officer my wife wanted me to pick up the milk & I late home
damn Speedcops are everywhere these days!rolling on the floor laughing
Nov 6, 2010 8:32 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
steve6610
steve6610steve6610Goolwa, South Australia Australia2,184 Posts
Conrad73: damn Speedcops are everywhere these days!



Revenue raising thats what it is rolling on the floor laughing
Nov 6, 2010 8:35 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
steve6610: They dont do that , well our cops say that & I have seen them
Bet they are in Full View!laugh
Nov 6, 2010 9:11 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
mikygr
mikygrmikygrNextToYou, South Aegean Greece8 Threads 2 Polls 575 Posts
ttom500: Find a map....and you can see it.

There are radar concentrated places in the world and there open radar area of the world. If you going to do a covert operation....you execute them from open radar places in the world.

Range has nothing to do with it. Most of our military transport aircraft can do in flight refueling.

But a C-5A. C-131 or C-141 you don't hide on radars. So to use them in the covert ops....you need radar open airspace or air space that you trust.

As for where....pick a point on the map of Central Asia....that could be were.


And the B-... do hide from the radar systems?
And where shal I point on the central Asia map?
Nov 6, 2010 9:19 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Canada has the young Chinese male that smuggled himself into the country asking for asylum....by wearing a MI (Mission Impossible) face mask of elderly white male.

I think we need to get Dude....a Obama face mask.....then when online here.....he can be wearing it. To get into the boxing spirit of the debate.

Maybe we should get....57m Obama face mask...one for all the cloned Obamites that voted for him in 2008. When they vote in the 2012 we will know them. Oh there goes a former Obama voter....quick get the net....

It would make his rallies more interesting. To see 10,000 with Obama face masks on as he....or one of them gives a address would be something to see! We never know now if it a Obamite we talk to or a real person. With 57m Obamas moving around the country, the croud to get on Air Force one might be a little testing at times. A long cue line there.....

We could send a several to NKorea..to meet with the Kim I and Kim II body doubles for a all important nuclear disarment conference. At the end, neither side will take credit that they attended. Pausable denability for both.

And think of the media that he can do. He can make all the late night and all the Sunday talk shows every weekend. ORielly and Fox might even get him on....or better one of his face doubles.

Think about the G-20.....he shows up in India....with 3000 Obama getting off the plane behind him. All 150 CEO in Obama face masks. The G-20 summit just became the Obama summit.

The is scarry.....but what about Europe? They will issue Obama face mask to about 3/4 of the 300m. That is 200m Obama's walking around the Europe.

Don't get me going on what this would do Michelle, his wife....or the kids. The mental harm done there would cause psych help till they both 40.

Image what this will do for US/Iranian talks if they get going. President Obama can enter the conference room with Hillary, Biden, and the rest of the assemble team on Iran....wearing Obama masks. Pres. A will have a classic case of leader meltdown...... grin
Nov 6, 2010 9:29 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Mikygr....as a Greek and Swiss soldier....you know that there are stleathy aircraft and non stleathy. Big transport aircraft like the
C-5A, C-131, or C-141 you cannot radar hide. They have a large radar signature.

The Greeks do fly C-131 am pretty sure. They would know that it bounces a radar emission to make a signature easily.

Were the bad guys are, Mikygr. The US does not go in the world were the good guys are with a covert operation. But put you finger on the map of Central Asia.....you will come pretty close to them.
Nov 6, 2010 10:13 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
ttom500: The number we will never know....

Is it $200m or $1m? The cost for sending President Obama a cast of 3000 (including 150 CEO types) to India for the G-20? For a day......

Now they are talking about how a entire major and exclusive hotel was rented for the 10 day of the conference. I think that we need to host a
G-20 here in the US....down here in Florida.

We can get out the air and bass boats....go out on the lakes and swamps.....do a little fishing and gator hunting....go back to the RV and trailer park that was rented for the 10 days. Cook up some grits and deep fry some gator and pan fry some fish. Pull out a bud, sit back and enjoy the 10 days. Do some swamp cabbage and burgers and dogs.

You know...just to get the world's leaders 'back in touch with the people'. Also to get them back in touch with a 12 foot gator that only wants to snap on them and take them into a death roll. No, it is not the REP during the mid term.....but pretty close.

But aside from risking the leaders of the world to sever gator bites. That is the kind of environment you need to iron of differences. With this is being done in Mumbai...which we all know had some serious problems recently with a Islamic terrorist attack. But aside from that, you already got troubles and riots because of the G-20 in Europe.......5000 miles away.

Put these guys together.....and the 'we are the world people' start
to rumble and make noise. The 'we are the world people' totally dislike the idea of the G-20. Say "G-20" to a 'we are the world person', and the red bandana automatically comes on the face to keep the tear gas. out. The nearest rock is picked up. Ranging for the nearest law enforcement officer begins. It is like a auto-reflex response for a 'we are the world person'.

So I am thinking we need to down scale these G-20 meetings some. You know have it at Red's Fish Camp. Let them flying in and wear jeans, shorts and T-Shirts....instead of suits....let them be real people for a change. Instead of being walking and talking poster boys for Yves Saint Lauren, Gucci, Valentino, and Logdstall.

The entire concept that you can put on a suit that cost $1000+ go to economic summit were you are going to talk billions and trillions. When in Haiti today....1000s are sitting in plastic tents filled with mud and water and have Hurricane Tomas swirling over head is repulsive to most people. Specially since many of these G-20 promised aid to Haiti, after the earth quake.

If 'we are the world people' were throwing rocks for that reason, hand me one. I still got a little arm left in me. But they are not. They are throwing rocks because of the austerity plans that came to Europe. From the economic crash. Which at this point, I am dropping my rock. And am picking up a police baton and helmet.

We have heard allot about leader disconnect from the people of recent.
I am saying that when leaders to get to office.....by playing dirty politics to get there...fail then to be real people. The people at Red Fish Camp or in the Tents of Haiti have much more class and dignity than they.

The two parties spent about 2b for the mid term election. Studies show that about 1/2 the politic advertising today is negative and attack adds. Or about 1b worth political insults, rants, demonizing, misinformation and political hackery. The US government....promised
to send the people of Haiti 1b after the earth quake. Both political parties are lapse in not getting it done. Now we send the President on a trip to the G-20......that some say will cost a 1b.

As long governments fail the least of these, they have disconnected from the people, they serve and the people that placed them into office.


That whole story was created and exadurated by one female republican senator ........specifically because she knew the timing was right for all you bone-heads to run with it ....doh
Nov 6, 2010 10:16 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
popsiclestoes
popsiclestoespopsiclestoespulaski, Tennessee USA16 Posts
NOBAMA no way! YAYcheering
Nov 6, 2010 10:23 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
jvaski: That whole story was created and exadurated by one female republican senator ........specifically because she knew the timing was right for all you bone-heads to run with it ....


Nov 6, 2010 10:32 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
popsiclestoes: NOBAMA no way! YAY


Can we say the word [/VETO ?? color]
Nov 6, 2010 10:43 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
YankeeJ: u know what, im done with you. you make short and ridiculous arguments. im going to bed.

I do have to say though, I love debating this kind of stuff. It allows everyone involved to openly express opinion and practice our freedom of speech and expression. debate is always healthy...... even if neither one sees eye to eye


Awwwwwww....darn-it......sorry if I hurt your feelings....comfort

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Nov 6, 2010 11:42 AM CST Obama will win the american presidential ellection of 2012!
mikygr
mikygrmikygrNextToYou, South Aegean Greece8 Threads 2 Polls 575 Posts
ttom500: Mikygr....as a Greek and Swiss soldier....you know that there are stleathy aircraft and non stleathy. Big transport aircraft like the
C-5A, C-131, or C-141 you cannot radar hide. They have a large radar signature.

The Greeks do fly C-131 am pretty sure. They would know that it bounces a radar emission to make a signature easily.

Were the bad guys are, Mikygr. The US does not go in the world were the good guys are with a covert operation. But put you finger on the map of Central Asia.....you will come pretty close to them.


I served for panzer in Greece and for refugee’s camps in Switzerland, both high graded. Greek air force does not fly only C-131, they mainly use theme for transportation and fire extinguish. Greece has (unfortunately) 50% more defend expenses than Turkey. The Russian scientist, who discovered the radar hide, did also discover the anti radar hide. He was also in your country to demonstrate it, because he fled. It's a double echo radar system. After that, big headaches occurred in the USA Pentagon and they changed their plans for the B- series. No plane is radar hidden today since than with this double radar system. If there is no such one in the central Asian room (I don’t know), than you might be right to make a base in north Australia. As for the “bad guys” on this world you better teach me. For me, all guys are good, wherever they come from and whatever their traditions, religions and cultures, until they prove the opposite in means of ETHICS and COHERENCE within a community called “human beings”. And unfortunately there are still some cases about, but we Westerns do not belong to the angels in this matter. If you want to know more about this anti-radar hide, just tell me.
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