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Mar 21, 2011 5:22 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: This article is much better for you to study Cciny:




Dude lets not make it personal dude.Seems like you're awlfully good at that.

I know you don't like me and I haven't lost a minute's sleep about it.
Mar 21, 2011 5:25 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Faithfulness
FaithfulnessFaithfulnessWaukesha, Wisconsin USA2 Threads 1,056 Posts
You're replying to post made by: Hot Single Dude


What's wrong Dude? And you thought you knew more about America than I did. So much for your beloved Obama. That's a Democrat for you....not playing by the rules.
Mar 21, 2011 5:25 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Ccincy: Dude lets not make it personal dude.Seems like you're awlfully good at that.

I know you don't like me and I haven't lost a minute's sleep about it.


No Cciny... it is because you have asked a bout health care reforms before and this article answers some of ur questions you see? handshake

Maybe you can use some countain of this article to bash on some stupid Teaprtier Buzos or other americans against fairness in health care in America or some thing? idea
Mar 21, 2011 5:32 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Fabulous article:



I am Hot Single Dude and I approve this message professor
Mar 21, 2011 5:42 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: No Cciny... it is because you have asked a bout health care reforms before and this article answers some of ur questions you see?

Maybe you can use some countain of this article to bash on some stupid Teaprtier Buzos or other americans against fairness in health care in America or some thing?


News flash Dude the contents of the link I posted had absolutely nothing to do with healthcare.

You need to go re-read it.rolling on the floor laughing
Mar 21, 2011 5:44 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Faithfulness
FaithfulnessFaithfulnessWaukesha, Wisconsin USA2 Threads 1,056 Posts
You're replying to post made by: Hot_Single_Dude

I am Hot Single Dude and I approve this message

Posted: 03/20/11

Obama's War in Libya is Illegal and Unconstitutional

By Cliff Kincaid

On CNN's "Reliable Sources" show on Sunday, host Howard Kurtz asked, "One major question about the assault on Libya, what happened to the media's skepticism?" He's right, but his comparison to the war in Iraq was wrong. The correct parallel is President Bill Clinton's illegal and unconstitutional military intervention in the civil war in Kosovo, then a province of Serbia. Serbia, like Libya today, did not present a threat to the U.S., but in both cases Democratic presidents went to war with those nations anyway, in order to strengthen international organizations.

What the media are missing is the fact that Obama's war on Libya has no basis in law or the U.S. Constitution. He has decided to wage this war on his own with the authorization of the United Nations, not the U.S. Congress.

The conservative Washington Times has it right. In an editorial headlined, "Obama's illegal war. Congress, not the U.N., should authorize force against Libya," the paper said, "Removing Moammar Gadhafi from power would probably advance the cause of freedom, but the United Nations has no legal authority to take a step of this magnitude. By bowing to the will of the U.N. Security Council, President Obama is diluting the sovereign power of the United States."

It's true that President Reagan attacked Libya in 1986. But that was retaliation in self-defense, which is always reserved for the Commander-in-Chief, after evidence showed that the Gaddafi regime had attacked and killed Americans in Germany through a terrorist bombing.

"Today," Obama said on March 19, "I authorized the Armed Forces of the United States to begin a limited military action in Libya in support of an international effort to protect Libyan civilians. That action has now begun. In this effort, the United States is acting with a broad coalition that is committed to enforcing United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, which calls for the protection of the Libyan people."

Obama said, "I've acted after consulting with my national security team, and Republican and Democratic leaders of Congress. And in the coming hours and days, my administration will keep the American people fully informed. But make no mistake: Today we are part of a broad coalition. We are answering the calls of a threatened people. And we are acting in the interests of the United States and the world."

The President has no such "authorization" from Congress and consultation with Congress is not sufficient under the Constitution.

Cliff Kincaid is the Director of the AIM Center for Investigative Journalism, and can be contacted at cliff.kincaid@aim.org.

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Mar 21, 2011 5:48 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Faithfulness
FaithfulnessFaithfulnessWaukesha, Wisconsin USA2 Threads 1,056 Posts
Part 2

This announcement followed a February 25 executive order declaring Libya "an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States," which is ludicrous on its face. Obama then declared "a national emergency to deal with that threat."

All of this happened without any critical comment from the media. Indeed, the media called for Obama and the "international community" to do something.

Even a prominent media watchdog like Howard Kurtz, while criticizing the media for not asking the right questions, asks the wrong questions and comes to the wrong conclusions.

On CNN, Howard Kurtz said, "U.S. warplanes hitting targets in Libya for a second day today. And I have to say this at the outset-the media get excited by war, the journalistic adrenaline starts pumping as we talk about warships and warplanes and cruise missiles, and we put up the maps and we have the retired generals on. And sometimes something is lost in that initial excitement."

But then he went on a tangent: "It reminds me of eight years ago this very weekend, when Shock and Awe was rained down upon Baghdad and the media utterly failed to ask skeptical questions."

The difference is that Congress authorized the invasion of Iraq after a debate. Congress has not authorized the war on Libya.

Strangely, House Speaker John Boehner does not seem to recognize how his constitutional authority and the sovereignty of the United States are being undermined.

In a statement, he said, "The United States has a moral obligation to stand with those who seek freedom from oppression and self-government for their people. It's unacceptable and outrageous for Qadhafi to attack his own people, and the violence must stop. The President is the commander-in-chief, but the Administration has a responsibility to define for the American people, the Congress, and our troops what the mission in Libya is, better explain what America's role is in achieving that mission, and make clear how it will be accomplished. Before any further military commitments are made, the Administration must do a better job of communicating to the American people and to Congress about our mission in Libya and how it will be achieved."

To repeat: simply being the commander-in-Chief does not allow the President to wage an offensive war on a country that does not threaten the United States.

We at AIM were similarly critical of the media for failing to raise these issues when Clinton went to war in Kosovo. That case was even worse than Libya because the U.N. did not authorize the military intervention there. Clinton used NATO rather than the U.N. But NATO, which came into being through a treaty as a defensive military force, had been illegally transformed without the benefit of a treaty into an offensive military force.

Cliff Kincaid is the Director of the AIM Center for Investigative Journalism, and can be contacted at cliff.kincaid@aim.org.

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Mar 21, 2011 6:16 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Pure economical science vers. STUPID Republican prefered BS ideology:

Mar 21, 2011 6:17 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Dude sorry I messed up.I thought you were referring to the link I posted.That's what I get for reading so fast.uh oh
Mar 21, 2011 6:24 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Thank you for showing more of what Republicanism really means TT

A good war is only a war a bout Oil and since not much Libya oil for US then to hell with human life right? and you also beleive Europe is in this war just for oil? How come? Are you really beleiving the whole entire world have gone Republican or some thing? Republicanism is definately not admirable any way TT and Europeans do not even need your kind of ideology destrying this place as well ! We had enough of that shi* when THAT GWB THE mother of all Buzo was on charge in ur country and not a dang thing admirable was there back then you see?

President Obama and Europe chosed to participate because of humanity and not because of Oil mister fister! You got to learn in life that there are just a tiney minority of human beings runned by the exact same kind of devistating ideology of ur guys TT and a great majority of human beings actually beleive in decency!


Because of Libyan humanity or because a gallon of gas in Europe today is around $9? If Iraq was about oil, Dude.....this most diffinetely Libya is about oil.

It your major arguement on GWB, yes? Iraqi oil ..Iragi oil.

What suddenly changed? Sadam and Qdaffi are cut from the same bolt of cloth, Dude. Europe needed the oil back in 2002. Still needs it today.

You know what Putin is saying to Medvedev right now? He is saying find a reason to bump the cost of Russia crude to Europe. Just like we did to Ukraine and Bellarussia. With little Libya crude going to Europe, the price increase on our crude will be give us more revenues. And I then wring NATO countries away from the Libyan coalition.....leaving it to be UK/US/France and few others...hang them up in North Africa for 10 years.

That is the position our inexpereinced President has placed the country into with his Libyan move. That have Qdaffi give his millions to terrorist groups ....his 400 MANPAds to knock down commerical aircraft.....his WMDs.

You got the main rebell leader.....the media tried to reach him for a interview....he had taken the day off. He got his no fly zone and now he sits back let the west fight his fight. I told you so......

So protect the Libyan civilians?.....Obama better find a way now to protect American civilians from Libyan MANDPADs, WMDs, and Irans coming nuc.
Mar 21, 2011 6:29 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Ccincy: Dude sorry I messed up.I thought you were referring to the link I posted.That's what I get for reading so fast.
It is all right lady Cciny. No problem handshake
Mar 21, 2011 6:40 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: Because of Libyan humanity or because a gallon of gas in Europe today is around $9? If Iraq was about oil, Dude.....this most diffinetely Libya is about oil.

It your major arguement on GWB, yes? Iraqi oil ..Iragi oil.

What suddenly changed? Sadam and Qdaffi are cut from the same bolt of cloth, Dude. Europe needed the oil back in 2002. Still needs it today.

You know what Putin is saying to Medvedev right now? He is saying find a reason to bump the cost of Russia crude to Europe. Just like we did to Ukraine and Bellarussia. With little Libya crude going to Europe, the price increase on our crude will be give us more revenues. And I then wring NATO countries away from the Libyan coalition.....leaving it to be UK/US/France and few others...hang them up in North Africa for 10 years.

That is the position our inexpereinced President has placed the country into with his Libyan move. That have Qdaffi give his millions to terrorist groups ....his 400 MANPAds to knock down commerical aircraft.....his WMDs.

You got the main rebell leader.....the media tried to reach him for a interview....he had taken the day off. He got his no fly zone and now he sits back let the west fight his fight. I told you so......

So protect the Libyan civilians?.....Obama better find a way now to protect American civilians from Libyan MANDPADs, WMDs, and Irans coming nuc.


Are you really that scared of Quaddafi or are you trying to act as a peace loving Hippy which is absoloutely not suiting your Necon point of world view what so ever TT?

Since when Necons are against wars any way?

This new game of ur guys is all a bout their STUPID "being against any Obama decisions what so ever BS" and not a thing else!

Obama have done absolutely well participating in this necessary fight agianst tyrany and he does not need your guys approval what so ever TT... Republicans lost it major time in 2008 and both dang buzo,s left the White House one still walking and the other sitting on a Wheel chair and the new commandor in chief president Obama decides and his decisions are good for America and for the rest of the entire planet Earth as well laugh tongue

So fabulous to see that oil does not save dictators of the world no more absoloutely because of the new Boss in town yay
Mar 21, 2011 7:11 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Are you really that scared of Quaddafi or are you trying to act as a peace loving Hippy which is absoloutely not suiting your Necon point of world view what so ever TT?

Since when Necons are against wars any way?

This new game of ur guys is all a bout their STUPID "being against any Obama decisions what so ever BS" and not a thing else!

Obama have done absolutely well participating in this necessary fight agianst tyrany and he does not need your guys approval what so ever TT... Republicans lost it major time in 2008 and both dang buzo,s left the White House one still walking and the other sitting on a Wheel chair and the new commandor in chief president Obama decides and his decisions are good for America and for the rest of the entire planet Earth as well

So fabulous to see that oil does not save dictators of the world no more absoloutely because of the new Boss in town


I was against wars....the first time I got shot at. But let us move on. We beat have the oil card to death.

President Obama has called for Qdaffi the leave the country. Called him illigimate. Yet the UN is saying that they cannot
place boots on the ground. The English place some cruise missiles into his compound....that a make media issue....and the Obama administration General leading the mission is still saying Qdaffi was not the target. See any Milo Mindbender going on here?

Louis Farracon.....warned President Obama to lay off Qdaffi. And asked him to meet with Qdaffi. Ralph Nader....is saying that President Obama should face war crime charges.

Congress is saying that President did not consult them enough prior to making the decision to go into this. So again President Obama bounces around the Constitution. Congress is talking about cutting off funding for his Libyan actions. Congress wants to see him after is SA trip.

So without a exist plan.....we have entered into another war.
Without a Congressional debate we enter into another war. Without
immiment threat to the US, we have entered into another war.

For who or what then? Libyan civilians and European oil. Not for America or for Americans.
Mar 21, 2011 7:14 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
This ought to be a first and maybe only time in history.

Carl Rove and Dude agree...........on the Libyan intervention.
grin grin
Mar 21, 2011 7:29 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Mar 21, 2011 7:35 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
FOX poll on the Libyan intervention.

Unoffical can call in of 50,000.

51% support it.
49% don support it.

Near a dead heat as it gets.......
Mar 21, 2011 7:35 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Ccincy: News flash Dude the contents of the link I posted had absolutely nothing to do with healthcare.

You need to go re-read it.
I know Cciny but since the content of ur article was some thing I disagree then I suggested u reading some thing else which could answer some of ur earlier questions a bout affrodable health care act.

You always tell there are no differences between right and left in american politics... I suggest you study this fine article :

Mar 21, 2011 7:37 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
BB_snickers
BB_snickersBB_snickersNarnia, Ontario Canada56 Threads 3,755 Posts
ttom500:

So without a exist plan.....we have entered into another war.
Without a Congressional debate we enter into another war.
Without immiment threat to the US, we have entered into another war.




AND

Without getting the H out of Iraq like Obama promised in his campaign speeches, you are into another war.

It's all so irresponsible. To be economically strangled and still into another war. How much of the ridiculous does one need to see before he begins to look past it.

You don't seriously think Obama actually has any real control in this do you? No more than Bush had even though he had that good ole repub 'fire em up boys' attitude, he like Obama is following a higher directive, puppets for another cause.

And I think you and I both know that congress, shmongress has even less influence over what will happen.
Mar 21, 2011 7:38 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Italian President began the Italian flip on the Libyan intervention.

He is not allowing Italian aircraft to fire on targets inside Libyan...they are there only to monitor.


doh
Mar 21, 2011 7:38 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: This ought to be a first and maybe only time in history.

Carl Rove and Dude agree...........on the Libyan intervention.
No way! Carl Rove and me agree on any thing ? I certainly doubt this confused
Mar 21, 2011 7:39 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
texasgirl8585
texasgirl8585texasgirl8585Fort Worth, Texas USA12 Threads 409 Posts
We could have economic recovery if Obama would just get out of the way and quit screwing it up. very mad
Mar 21, 2011 7:46 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: Italian President began the Italian flip on the Libyan intervention.

He is not allowing Italian aircraft to fire on targets inside Libyan...they are there only to monitor.
Berlosconi is a Damn Mafinosee thief and not a damn thing else and beside he is one of the greatest lovers Moammar Quaddafi ever had... still... even Italy will have to participate more seriously ASAP... did u meant the italian president or the italian prime minister by the way?
Mar 21, 2011 7:50 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
BB_snickers: AND

Without getting the H out of Iraq like Obama promised in his campaign speeches, you are into another war.

It's all so irresponsible. To be economically strangled and still into another war. How much of the ridiculous does one need to see before he begins to look past it.

You don't seriously think Obama actually has any real control in this do you? No more than Bush had even though he had that good ole repub 'fire em up boys' attitude, he like Obama is following a higher directive, puppets for another cause.

And I think you and I both know that congress, shmongress has even less influence over what will happen.


If you are in the Oval office.....were else does the Buck stop?

Truman's sign...that was on his desk....was first on the desk of a
Federal Reformary. It was not his saying, he borrowed it.

But Obama would have been wise in this case....to consult Congress....and spread that Buck (responsibility) around some.
The Buck in this case is fully planted on the desk of the President. If it goes wrong......and wars always do, in some way and some how.

And yes...I think that President Obama could have said no the Europeans governments and international community that wanted a shooting and hot no fly zone'. How many years did the US overfly Sadam Iraq without firing a shot? 9

See that is what the Arab league was buying. That is what Italian President was buying into. That ain't what Obama gave them.
Mar 21, 2011 7:51 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
texasgirl8585: We could have economic recovery if Obama would just get out of the way and quit screwing it up.


31% approve of his handling of the economy. That leaves a bunch that don't. My guess is 31% = Dems.
Mar 21, 2011 7:52 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Berlosconi is a Damn Mafinosee thief and not a damn thing else and beside he is one of the greatest lovers Moammar Quaddafi ever had... still... even Italy will have to participate more seriously ASAP... did u meant the italian president or the italian prime minister by the way?


President Berlosconi.....laid out the rule of engagement for the Italian air force.
Mar 21, 2011 7:52 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: The entire anti american Talibanee endorser GOP belongs to Jail


How many kids has Obama bombed in Libya today. dunno
Mar 21, 2011 7:53 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
texasgirl8585: We could have economic recovery if Obama would just get out of the way and quit screwing it up.
By destrying unions, taxing the poor more and the rich less, never allowing high speed trains in America, stopping all green energy efforts in America, denying the poor having a right to life if not able to afford health care, cutting in teachers and fire fighters and police officers and social workers and army wages and adding the difference to koch borthers, drilling where ever and how ever and removing any kinds of regulations and killing America,s natur off once and for all, cutting green energy fundings and adding it to nuclear energy instead and other nasty stuff like that or what Texasgirl? laugh
Mar 21, 2011 7:54 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Are you really that scared of Quaddafi or are you trying to act as a peace loving Hippy which is absoloutely not suiting your Necon point of world view what so ever TT?

Since when Necons are against wars any way?

This new game of ur guys is all a bout their STUPID "being against any Obama decisions what so ever BS" and not a thing else!

Obama have done absolutely well participating in this necessary fight agianst tyrany and he does not need your guys approval what so ever TT... Republicans lost it major time in 2008 and both dang buzo,s left the White House one still walking and the other sitting on a Wheel chair and the new commandor in chief president Obama decides and his decisions are good for America and for the rest of the entire planet Earth as well

So fabulous to see that oil does not save dictators of the world no more absoloutely because of the new Boss in town



Obama bows to a lot of foreign leaders. Has he bowed to Gaddafi?

rolling on the floor laughing
Mar 21, 2011 7:55 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: President Berlosconi.....laid out the rule of engagement for the Italian air force.
He is not the president of Italy but the Prime minister TT dunno
Mar 21, 2011 7:56 PM CST Politics of Obama administration are working ! Support the presindent toward economical Recovery !
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: I know Cciny but since the content of ur article was some thing I disagree then I suggested u reading some thing else which could answer some of ur earlier questions a bout affrodable health care act.

You always tell there are no differences between right and left in american politics... I suggest you study this fine article :




WE already cleared up my mis-understanding dude remember?
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