ttom500: You got the link on this Libyan sale..in the first post.
Is the M113 just a personal carrier? No. You modify a M113 with a anti tank missile system...it is as deadly as a Abram tank. Standard is a 50 Cal machine gun. But it can mount a gatling gun...or a small grenade launcher. Some have been modified to carry mortars.
The White House was dealing with a whole lot bad news here for the Libyan rebells. Each one of M113 carries a platoon of infantry. They have trailer hitch to tow cannons and anti air systems.
To be honest....since the Lockerbie bombing....this is the first US weapons sale to Libya that I can think of. That is 25 years and 6 administration.
I want to be fair here. I know that President Obama, himself did write this deal. Someone in his White House that wanted a better relationship with Qdaffi did. Then slipped the contract thru to Congressional review. Hoping it would slide thru. Likely without Obama's knowledge. But this is were the buck stops here thingee comes into play.
When you elect a president ...you elect a group of people to run and manage the country. Remember I said much earlier....it was not Obama that brothered me....but the people around him that did.
What you are talking a bout TT a bout this deal have not been mentioned by any serious media what so ever and then I do not beleive you! Glenn Beck is no news corporation or some thing all by him self TT...
Hot_Single_Dude: What you are talking a bout TT a bout this deal have not been mentioned by any serious media what so ever and then I do not beleive you! Glenn Beck is no news corporation or some thing all by him self TT...
Page 8 of the thread...mid way down....my first post on the M113 sale to Qdaffii. AP article in yahoo.
Hot_Single_Dude: Why you republicans are so against education TT? Will America survive economichally and scientific in this hard compitition of to day with "a lot hilly Billy not know nothing what so ever guys" too many of ur endorsers are all a bout when all counts? Scott is surely bad news for Florida but you do not know it still...
Education is a good thing. I wish it were incorporated in Denmark.
Actually the deal began during the Bushney,s on charge and there have not been any kinds of lethal weapon sales form America to Libya ... officialy at least. Europe and particulay UKand Italy have been selling arms and explosives and stuff to Libya and America have been selling armor personal carriers to Libya and that,s it. The good is no body from Obama administration have been visiting with Libya officialy and GWB folks were those who gave Gaddafi a "huamne" face back then which have been a serious mistake as we know today.
Hot_Single_Dude: Actually the deal began during the Bushney,s on charge and there have not been any kinds of lethal weapon sales form America to Libya ... officialy at least. Europe and particulay UKand Italy have been selling arms and explosives and stuff to Libya and America have been selling armor personal carriers to Libya and that,s it. The good is no body from Obama administration have been visiting with Libya officialy and GWB folks were those who gave Gaddafi a "huamne" face back then which have been a serious mistake as we know today.
Nice try...but it does not fly. Here is why.
That transtition report of GWB and Cheney to Obama and Biden. They list of possible foreign buyers of US military equipment that they have approached. With the Libyan thingee going on....Obama and Biden would have pulled the report out to point the finger GWB/Cheney.
ttom500: Unions don't mean a quality education, Dude. Home Schooling, Charter schools, and religious schools have taught us that. They all have FCAT scores as good or better then the Union taught public schools.
Quality colleges don't mean union professors are in the classroom. Many private and religious college give have better academics than the state college were you find unions.
Think that I wrong? Go to the following schools and tell me what you see.
Endicott College of MA Emery and Henry University of VA Montreat of NC
All are private or religious schools. Not a teacher union in the group. Gorgeous campus. Great academic programs. Outstanding educations.
If teacher unions would focus on showing how they raise the education levels of the student vs raising the wages of their teachers. More Americans would support them.
Unions have forces State institutions into having professor tenure. That is just means bad professors have a way to hang on to the jobs.....get a free pass to keeping it. Do any with tenure.....if you want better teachers.
What is most interesting is you talk a bout relegious schools and beleiving relegious schools is THE way forward even most of us already know what your guys are doing to America,s kids under the umbrella of so called "relegious" values
There is a place for private schools for those who can afford it but still a grea tmajority of america can not afford your private stuff mistet TT... a great majorty of America can NEVER afford most of ur so caleld private schools and folks are strugglign to maintain an acceptable life and what to fairly expect is the government trying it,s best creating equal conditions for education for kids of America no matter rich or poor!
No Republican power hodlers have EVER done any thing positive what so ever in order to create equal education possibilities for kids of America since GOP knows more than well that most well educated folks will never EVEr endorse this dark ideology of the past represented by your guys! When ever ur guys have voted for improvments, it have been improvments represented by Democrats and democrats have the honor of help developing american know how like for ever!
Unions are the main reason why public workers and private workers got acceptable working conditions and I promise you from here that your guys can definately NOT winning their fight agaisnt Unions and honorable american Unions are going to kick your sad and amd guys asse* major time
Move to Conrad ASAP TT if u got some stolen tax cheater money hidden some where... Arizona can not doing it no more and Scott will meet horrifying charges he can not deny very soon... some nasty stuff from past the "Govorporator" have been involved with...
Bush increased the national debt 4,350,546,687,025.37 (8 years) Obama increased the national debt 3,536,898,133,979.30 (2+ years in office)
At the rate we're going right now we'll add another 3 trillion during the last 2 years of the Obama Administration. i.e. the debt will be at $16.5 trillion and he would have surpassed President Bush's debt by $2.5 trillion in half the time.
I bolded last 2 years because I believe it will be his last two years as president because we simply can't afford another 4.
Bush increased the national debt 4,350,546,687,025.37 (8 years) Obama increased the national debt 3,536,898,133,979.30 (2+ years in office)
At the rate we're going right now we'll add another 3 trillion during the last 2 years of the Obama Administration. i.e. the debt will be at $16.5 trillion and he would have surpassed President Bush's debt by $2.5 trillion in half the time.
I bolded last 2 years because I believe it will be his last two years as president because we simply can't afford another 4.
I fear you're right. I swear if I balanced my checkbook the way the fed does would be in jail.
Not to slam on Dude but if anyone believe the federal governmetn is more capable of running things than the average person on the street, they haven't seen it for themselves. I could tell you stories that would make your hair tunr white.
Hot_Single_Dude: What is most interesting is you talk a bout relegious schools and beleiving relegious schools is THE way forward even most of us already know what your guys are doing to America,s kids under the umbrella of so called "relegious" values
There is a place for private schools for those who can afford it but still a grea tmajority of america can not afford your private stuff mistet TT... a great majorty of America can NEVER afford most of ur so caleld private schools and folks are strugglign to maintain an acceptable life and what to fairly expect is the government trying it,s best creating equal conditions for education for kids of America no matter rich or poor!
No Republican power hodlers have EVER done any thing positive what so ever in order to create equal education possibilities for kids of America since GOP knows more than well that most well educated folks will never EVEr endorse this dark ideology of the past represented by your guys! When ever ur guys have voted for improvments, it have been improvments represented by Democrats and democrats have the honor of help developing american know how like for ever!
Unions are the main reason why public workers and private workers got acceptable working conditions and I promise you from here that your guys can definately NOT winning their fight agaisnt Unions and honorable american Unions are going to kick your sad and amd guys asse* major time
Move to Conrad ASAP TT if u got some stolen tax cheater money hidden some where... Arizona can not doing it no more and Scott will meet horrifying charges he can not deny very soon... some nasty stuff from past the "Govorporator" have been involved with...
Funny thing that a Danish Bank got slammed for Money-Laundering! And the Garbage you spout about Swiss-Banking shows me that you're totally Ignorant,or have been turned down for an Account in a Swiss Bank! Wonder why they turned you down? There aren't to many Reasons for that to happen!
Sparky55: I fear you're right. I swear if I balanced my checkbook the way the fed does would be in jail.
Not to slam on Dude but if anyone believe the federal governmetn is more capable of running things than the average person on the street, they haven't seen it for themselves. I could tell you stories that would make your hair tunr white.
Bush increased the national debt 4,350,546,687,025.37 (8 years) Obama increased the national debt 3,536,898,133,979.30 (2+ years in office)
At the rate we're going right now we'll add another 3 trillion during the last 2 years of the Obama Administration. i.e. the debt will be at $16.5 trillion and he would have surpassed President Bush's debt by $2.5 trillion in half the time.
I bolded last 2 years because I believe it will be his last two years as president because we simply can't afford another 4.
Well Sparkey... think of it more clearly my man. The situation is that George W Bush took over the country in an almost excellent shape with huge surplus and low unemployment and so on and then his job that way was not as big as the time preisdnet Obama took over with recession and two wars.
When you take over a country with a broke economy then they money shall be found in order to save the sinking ship you see? Recovery needs money... bush dobbled the national debth even the country was in excellent shape economically when he took over. Obama have taken over a broken country and repairing damamges is expensive of course. It is like taking over a supermarked which is working and running smoothly and then paying the price and countinue the good business or taking over a destroyed supermarked in a very dangerous area where owners have been in trouble with gangs for years and business is absolutely dead because of that... a lot money is needed helping that business alive a gain you see?
Never forget what shape Obama received the country...
Conrad73: Funny thing that a Danish Bank got slammed for Money-Laundering! And the Garbage you spout about Swiss-Banking shows me that you're totally Ignorant,or have been turned down for an Account in a Swiss Bank! Wonder why they turned you down? There aren't to many Reasons for that to happen!
Well Grumpy... since we got right winged Buzos on charge in Denmark still then more fraud accures here in Denmark too but still... Swiss banks of urs are palying a major role in world wide fraud and threatening international stability and supporting dictatorships and keep hiding America,s stolen money and by that partly destroying Obama administration,s possibilities recovering America after dark years of Bushney,s Evil empire... dansih bank fraud stuff is bad for this small country of course but Swiss banks aboloutely out raged bahviour is bad for a whole world and contributing to terror and poverty and unrest all over the planet indirectly, and since America is my main interest, Swiss banks behaviour agianst interests of the United States really upsets me.
I am telling you Conrad no one of these Repubhed endorsers in here EVER attacks you or Swiss bank stuff what so ever,and they all embrace you like a kind of proamerican "Hero" because they know I am right and because they know a lot of their propoganda machine agaisnt the interests of the United States of America is funded because of hidden activities of Swiss money laundering industry and because they know Sitzerland have been a safe heaven for GOP frauds like for ever. "We" are still working on ur guys Conrad... it takes time but we are going to get your guys some day soon because we do not like tax cheaters and are digusted by tax chaters and we want America to success ASAP ...
Bush increased the national debt 4,350,546,687,025.37 (8 years) Obama increased the national debt 3,536,898,133,979.30 (2+ years in office)
At the rate we're going right now we'll add another 3 trillion during the last 2 years of the Obama Administration. i.e. the debt will be at $16.5 trillion and he would have surpassed President Bush's debt by $2.5 trillion in half the time.
I bolded last 2 years because I believe it will be his last two years as president because we simply can't afford another 4.
Bush increased the national debt 4,350,546,687,025.37 (8 years) Obama increased the national debt 3,536,898,133,979.30 (2+ years in office)
At the rate we're going right now we'll add another 3 trillion during the last 2 years of the Obama Administration. i.e. the debt will be at $16.5 trillion and he would have surpassed President Bush's debt by $2.5 trillion in half the time.
I bolded last 2 years because I believe it will be his last two years as president because we simply can't afford another 4.
The printing presses are running. Soon we'll be seeing 5 to 10% inflation. Let's see how much wages rise. A new poor class will be created.
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Is the M113 just a personal carrier? No. You modify a M113 with a anti tank missile system...it is as deadly as a Abram tank. Standard is a 50 Cal machine gun. But it can mount a gatling gun...or a small grenade launcher. Some have been modified to carry mortars.
The White House was dealing with a whole lot bad news here for the Libyan rebells. Each one of M113 carries a platoon of infantry. They have trailer hitch to tow cannons and anti air systems.
To be honest....since the Lockerbie bombing....this is the first US weapons sale to Libya that I can think of. That is 25 years and 6 administration.
I want to be fair here. I know that President Obama, himself did write this deal. Someone in his White House that wanted a better relationship with Qdaffi did. Then slipped the contract thru to
Congressional review. Hoping it would slide thru. Likely without Obama's knowledge. But this is were the buck stops here thingee comes into play.
When you elect a president ...you elect a group of people to run and manage the country. Remember I said much earlier....it was not Obama that brothered me....but the people around him that did.
What you are talking a bout TT a bout this deal have not been mentioned by any serious media what so ever and then I do not beleive you! Glenn Beck is no news corporation or some thing all by him self TT...