If you have read our Constitution.....a socialized health that gave 1/6 of the US economy to the government is not there. The Founding fathers did not put it in.
Had Obama and the DEMs gone first a route for a Constitution admemendment to make a sociatlized health care system.....allowed a national debate of it....gotten the 60% Congressional vote and the 2/3 rd state approval for it.....now they have clearly a majority of American positive to the socialized medicine concept. That is a tough standard to make.
But they did not. Legislating, they over stepped their Constitution limits and 60% of the country rejected them in the mid term. Much for this reason.
This was all done without a great deal of violence....American democracy is prevailing here. The rhetoric got vitroil, yes. But it was done largely peacefully.
By the way...had they gone for the Constitution route....I likely would have supported it. But that thin little document called the Constitution is the only real document of origin, we have.
We don't and never will have a royalty here....never will have a parlimentary system....were you can fracture the government in 24 hours for a new one......if we don't abide by the Constitution, we don't abide at all.
A small part Indian, yes. Cherokee tribe. I have been to Europe more than once. And fully know my family history from the time a impressed sailor jumped a British warship ship to get out of the war of 1816 in Baltimore. The Cherokee part came after the swim to shore.
Since I was 30 in age (1980) and in the military....my country has been a conflict 25 of the 31 years since then. Only 6 years of the last 3 decades have we not been in a conflict someplace around the globe.
So when you come to us and say.....just be part of the world...and everything will be rosy and friendly......I do question the motive. It sounds like a nice easy term of surrender to the world. Believe me when I say the Indians learned to question the motives of the first and second generation European settlers here.
You say that 25 years of conflict is your own fault. Some yes. Some no. But we have taken a oath to stay the course of our founding fathers. If that means conflict with the world....then a conflict with the world it will be. Even Jesus talks of this. When he said you cannot serve two Gods....
You wanted to understand things outside of your own walls....well for a large number of Americans 4.5m active duty and another 13m reserve and another 20 retired military)....that comes very close to our core belief.
I say to you that the 13 in Tucson are receiving the very best trauma care in the world. I can say that because it was our military that developed most of the modern trauma procedures used for gun shot wounds. But you blow thru it and point to socialized medicine. It matters to those 13.
It matters to the near 32,000 wounded in Iraq. Here only 4000 died (11.1%). Today our 2010 Afghan military death rate to hostile fire....is at 7.3% down from 14.8% in 2008. Eventually the new military life saving methods get transfered to our civilian medical operations.
We are working very hard here and in these foreign conflicts to keep people alive. Yet we also need work in a socialized health care system? For Europe's political ideology?
Scheme does illicit that the REP get together.....and coordinate their message. Don't DEM do this as well? The Black Caucus? The DEM Caucus? The DEM Woman Caucus? You wish to talak a party party that has committee, sub committee, and various groups within it....it is the DEM party.
But the other day...in hearing Palin's Tuscon address....I did not hear anything in her words that said REP or Tea Party PR rhetoric message here. Nor did I hear in President Obama's words of the following day....any core DEM message or DEM politicing.
Ann Coulter is saying that it was DEM pep rally. I don't think so. Of the 27,000 that were there....I bet there was a even mix of REP,DEP and IND attending. Likely there were more IND...because now they are 38% of the voting populace.
But to call any political group....uninformed.....short attention....dupes for a political ideology ...extreme fashion of desperation...not nice stuff. On the Loughlen Logic 5 point scale of political vitriol...I give it a 1
I constantly have a smile on my face from items posted and logic displayed here at CS. As the old American adage goes...."if it ain't fun don't do it."
If you think someone is playing below the belt....why stoop to their level? The political arguement ends when it becomes personal. Now it is a individual of focus rather than a issue of concern or idea of making.
Specially here in net blogging. None of us here have the office or power to determine a countries/people goals or actions. So in focusing on the individual, there is nothing more to gain in debate...other than some personal emotional injury or show of some malice.
Loughlen, we learning focused on Gibbons. That is why he was in such a hurry on that day. He only had one chance at this. If you read the Ooby thread and study on political attacks.....the 83 other political killers/attackers all either had a focus on individual target or a moving focus that moved to targets of opportunity.
First of all I don't want to completely understand Loughlen's Logic. It is unhealthy and cruel in thought and deed. I read enough his blog and enough of the words of his friends...to see a very disturbed human being here. I will leave it to the experts and professionals to completely figure Loughlen out.
I see that in other bloggers. When one demeans a person....for his/her faith...culture....country.....intellect.....life....you have gone from the political to the personal. That is exactly what Loughlen's did when he called Gibbons "a stupid and ignorant"
Reread some of your past post, Antjo. See if the shoe fits...
Obviously with the war in Afghansistan...this could be taken as a threat. We do know of Iran's payment to the Karsia gov't. What do you think President A got for those bags of money? People just don't give bags of money away without something in return.
That is how Iranian wish Americans to be...polite...quiet...turning there back to the abuses inside Iran and places like Evin Prison.
Kind stills the desire of freedom and liberty when thought about in those terms.
Is that what the Iranian Guard is doing to the two lost American hikers.....making them to be polite....quiet.....respectful. I saw the pictures of a the released American women....when she came back....she was very polite....quiet and respectful.
Just what kind of techniques are you using to get people to be polite.....quiet......and respectful? The same kind that place that Iranian nuclear scienctist that decided to come back to Iran, first in Evin and then into a hospital?
Very interesting specialty. But a reason why most of the Iranian nuclear facilities are buried deep underground is my thinking. You always go with something you know.....
Sparky did I ever tell you about the 200m EU grant to Iran to make border obstacles on Afghanistan drug trafficing?
This is sweet Revolutionary Guard engineering.
We have watch towers in saddles. The low point of two hill so the vision is blocked inside the tower. You look into the blocked area of the hills and you find fox holes for guarding the transaction.
We have moats that end at deserted 10,000 hectacre farm compounds. Guess they did not need the food, the Afghan drugs were more important to import.
We have border service roads that are on the Afghanistan side of the Iranian fences.
We have a fence compound with road running right to the border with Pakistan.
We have moats that curve to walled compounds, so the Afghan trafficker don't get lost at night in finding the compound.
Am thinking of writing Ahmendinejad a letter, recommedning that he employ some Mexican drug cartels to recon his border to cammo his drug operations.
Sparky, they had weather conditions up the ying yang. They reported a technical problem (unidentified) and requested a return to the airport when the crash occurred. I am thinking icing or some kind of engine failure. Why speculate? Wait for the investigation report to come out.
I find a certain amount of humor in a thread began by a European....titled "Listen fellow Americans"...that was about American health care......that has denigrated into a discussion of the snow fall in Europe and foreign European blessings.
I was thinking of how best to post this. But heck just saying it straight out makes allot of sense.
We just had a major shooting incident in Tucson AZ.
Anyone here, after listening to President Obama address of last night, wish to think that any of the 13 are not getting the very best of humanely care for their wounds and injuries?
Because if you check his address.....he said exactly that.
I read the title.....but since the accident was in heavy snowing and icing condition....I would have figured most would see this as weather related accident.
And we could change the topic of the thread some. Just to get to know each other.....
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No...not in mixed company on the net.......
here!
RE: Listen fellow Americans.....
If you have read our Constitution.....a socialized health that gave 1/6 of the US economy to the government is not there. The Founding fathers did not put it in.Had Obama and the DEMs gone first a route for a Constitution admemendment to make a sociatlized health care system.....allowed a national debate of it....gotten the 60% Congressional vote and the 2/3 rd state approval for it.....now they have clearly a majority of American positive to the socialized medicine concept. That is a tough standard to make.
But they did not. Legislating, they over stepped their Constitution limits and 60% of the country rejected them in the mid term. Much for this reason.
This was all done without a great deal of violence....American democracy is prevailing here. The rhetoric got vitroil, yes. But it was done largely peacefully.
By the way...had they gone for the Constitution route....I likely would have supported it. But that thin little document called the Constitution is the only real document of origin, we have.
We don't and never will have a royalty here....never will have
a parlimentary system....were you can fracture the government
in 24 hours for a new one......if we don't abide by the Constitution, we don't abide at all.