I think that is possible. Surely for Arizona. I have not followed the media and newspapered down there enough to know how bad the political vitriol was. But with the illegal immigration issues and AZ law, it was bad.
But Gibbons was pro a secure border and Loughlin was against illegal aliens entry. It was there one common ground issue, so I don't think that the illegal issue and its vitriol played into this.
But the Pina Country Sherriff sure picked up on it. He also said his agency did not have watch or warning on Loughlin. Louglin largely came out of the blue on them. Other than his drug arrests....how can we expect the gov't to monitor the billions of online posting and blogging daily??
Loughlins was anti God, Best. He got indignate when a Gideon Bible was offerred to him at military recruitment center. Complained the recruiter and online about it.
When I was in the military I was carrying so many Gideon Bibles on me....a bullet would have to go thru one to get to me. The best body armor I could l find.
One semi positive thing to this. Palin has not called for the those mourning and praying for Gibbins and the other to stop. They had 500 Islamic clerics in Pakistan, that said they should not mourn or pray for the assignated Pakistani Governor that stepped into the middle of blasphemy case on the American woman.
I think their political vitrol is some what worse than ours......
The good Sherrif knows personally both the Judge and REP Gibbons. On a Good Morning America interview with George Souphoilis (sp) , he was asked if he crossed over the line with the vitriol statement.
He said it was a emotional comment to having his close friend killed and injured.
There is going to be allot said about this act of violence.
Katt I don't know most of them live in non reality....making up hypothetical questions like the one you just read. Thinking that they have figured out what the word "if" means. That is not something that other generations and other American have not faced.
The great all-American "what if" game. Then everyone cowers in the corner to thier knowledge, to their explanation and to their expertise. Accepting it without questioning it. If it just another another debate technique.
Till some tragic real world event comes along. Then the debate techniques are cruel to the those involved and innocent bystanders like Palin.
With the Obama approval falling like stones...and the REP Congress coming...DEM and liberal need a target person for the shooting. Sarah Palin has collectively been chosen. She is sadly (though miles away....and without never any contact with the Loughlen) was good as standing beside him and was pulling the trigger with him as REP Gibbons and other were shot.
That Loughlin.....seems to be a anti God, anti gov't, flag burning, druggie, with a seriously troubled back ground that even the Army would not accept....that has a has emotional problems serious enough to have one college suspend him for physche evaluations.....who was a 2012 Prophecy adovocate.
All indicating he was a liberal political ideoloque with disturbing net ranting against the gov't, against politicians. Does not seem to phase liberals and DEM that wish to paint Sarah Palin and the Tea Party.
As Rev Wright said.....the chickens came home to roost, with Mr. Loughlen. And now liberals and DEMs are having troubles making chicken soup.
We don't have the answers to this....many what we don't have to put the pieces together is a time line of his contacts with Gibbons and the military. Did it all happen in two weeks or in two years?
This is lot more that is going to come out on this. So remain open minded. If they search his house and find Tea Party material and Palin target map of DEM leaders on the walls for decorations....that takes you one place.
They search his house and find 2012 Prophecy material, denial letter from the military, and angry emails on his computer in response to that rejection, it takes you to a different place.
Just be opened minded is my advise to all at this time. The posted evidence posted is being substantaited by media reports, I think. But am still open to consider more info...specially off his computer.
Loughen is not thinking about his victim, Best. He had already written a online message saying "good bye" to his friends. My take is he had gone there to both take out as many of Gibbon's staff and assciates and then either commit suceide or have the police execute him. Only they tackled him as he tried to flee the scene.
The 19 and nine year old's political views or life....don't matter to him. Striking out at Gibbons and her staff, the judge....does.
I totally agree with you. A real tragedy occurred here. But accurately figuring out his motives and if there is a association to others.....e.g. not bring the Palin stuff into it when there is no evidence to that being a part of it..... Can maybe stop future like events.
Well CA ....we are still trying to decide after the Mid term to allow to continue to be in tbe states of the Country. But have to admit, losing the Rockies to global warming.....would reduce snow skiing and end mule deer hunting, so sure hope they get a handle on global warning pretty soon.....
I think that I going to go to lunch here....and then tag some of our local Florida Vultures with Isreali GPS systems.....and train them to fly to the middle east. To cause confusion in the region.....
SB unless you start condemning Egypt for it acts of placing boundary around the Palestine....we all might start to think that you are doing this from some kind of radical Islamic position.
If you don't start to task Egypt for its participation in the blockade....with all those suffering Palestine youths...that are starving....as Hamas leaders visits the Roots restraunt....we might just see a bias in that.
SB, you know the history of GAZA as well as anyone. Egypt.....yes that Muslim country next door....also pens the Palestine into little old GAZA. Egypt keep security guards at the enterances looking for contraband items. Egypt tries to stop the tunnels.
Here is where Obama can get into some real trouble. Just as George Bush Senior....that said "read my lips, no new taxes."...did.
President Obama is saying the the economy is now 'headed in the right direction'. Meaning the worse and come and gone and it is going to get only better from here.
While you have Bernacke, Gathnier, and other economist...saying this is a 4-5 year road to get unemployment to 6%. See the potential problem for Obama?
If people come to think that he is selling snake oil on the economy to get re-elected in 2012....you can kiss his 2012 good bye.
He is at 38-42% approval rating. And has tight lock on the 75% of the DEM party. It is that 38% IND that swung away from him that hurt in the mid term. He need to reach the IND voters again.
But if his rhetoric is not in line with the realities of the country. He is in trouble. Making those kind of statement...'headed in the right direction'.....can easily be rhetoric that is not the reality in the country for many. That will keep the IND searching for another solutions...that take them to the Tea party and REP bases.
Words are going to count.....he better make sure that teleprompter is glue to the reality going on Main Street America....because if it ain't.....read my lips is not going to help him in 2012.
It gets only better. Local American military leaders...name unmentioned....have proposed raids into Pakistan to beat the alQeada and Taliban forces there.
But the Obama administration has rejected them....."feeling it would make the precarious Pakistani government situation only worse."
Of course it would make it worse.....for alQeada and the Taliban...to have raids inside Pakistan. But that is the point!
A report out that President Obama is going to send more aid and funding to Pakistan.
Now let me get this straight. He wants to cut US military spending. While he incrase aid and funding to the Pakistanti.....that by wikileaks....and now other sources.....are buddy buddy with the Taliban and NKorea.
There is a pretty solid story here...that Bensair Bhutto was involved in getting the nuclear designs from North Korea. Yes, the Benzair Bhutto....the one everyone felt so badly that was killed after she went back to Pakistan.
What were saying about REP funding the Taliban?
Obama doing the same thing. It does nto go direcently into thier pockets.....but via the Pakistani gov't.....then into thier pockets.
At this point, this is so much like Vet Nam....you could hold a mirror to them and the reflection is the same. A corrupt government in country and many associated government around the region all with their hand out to the US. All trying to help us defeat the local bad guy foe....all the time helping the bad guy foe.
Gates is going to be so happy to get out of this in a couple of months. At which point, my guess for our next Sect of Defense is....none other than.....retired General Clark....hero of Kosovo....knight of NATO....slayer of Russian Communism ....
He is just very dedicated to his cause. He sees liberal and progressive movements around the world as being militarily safer and and more humane than conservative.
When Senator Obama decided to make the chase for the DEM Presidential nomination, Dude got excited about having a liberal in the office. Began to blog for him.
European liberalism and anarchistism are joined at the hip. UNlike in the US were our liberal ideology of the Civli Right movement of MLK, was a non violent movement.
European Liberalalism/Anarchist takes a more violent approach to things. To them the divide is need. It come from Carl Marx theory of Communism.....that you have to have the 'struggle'.
Note when they had the anarchist riots in England....Dude did not denounce them.....
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RE: US congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot point blank at public meeting
I think that is possible. Surely for Arizona. I have not followed the media and newspapered down there enough to know how bad the political vitriol was. But with the illegal immigration issues and AZ law, it was bad.But Gibbons was pro a secure border and Loughlin was against illegal aliens entry. It was there one common ground issue, so I don't think that the illegal issue and its vitriol played into this.
But the Pina Country Sherriff sure picked up on it. He also said his agency did not have watch or warning on Loughlin. Louglin largely came out of the blue on them. Other than his drug arrests....how can we expect the gov't to monitor the billions
of online posting and blogging daily??
They don't have the resources or manpower for it.