Yes some parts of the GC were in effect before WWII but as I gave you a link and by the quote countries do not have to ratify the whole document and can opt out of certain part's as Iran has done. Look at the pdf and Iran is listed but only for a couple of thing's and opted out of some.
Also remember if a country changes it's government they should be required to resign but that is not done. Just remember that any significant Change can lead to ignoring the GC altogether by any country.
The treaties of 1949 have been ratified, in whole or with reservations, by 194 countries.
The Geneva Conventions comprise four treaties and three additional protocols that set the standards in international law for humanitarian treatment of the victims of war. The singular term Geneva Convention refers to the agreements of 1949, negotiated in the aftermath of World War II, updating the terms of the first three treaties and adding a fourth treaty. The language is extensive, with articles defining the basic rights of those captured during a military conflict, establishing protections for the wounded, and addressing protections for civilians in and around a war zone. The treaties of 1949 have been ratified, in whole or with reservations, by 194 countries.
Seem's a country can defend itself by any means necessary if the need arises. I would venture to say that Use of nuke's and atom bombs are covered in the GC but only after WWII.
Check this pdf of what is reserved and what is signed by each Country.
It's already been in the media. Plus if you get the government to start interfering you'll have the nay-sayers pitching a bit*h about interfering in something that is none of there business. Again it's a catch 22. Damned if you do damned if you don't.
(Playing Devils Advocate here) Another way to look at it. How do we know for sure they were not spies? Is is just them saying they weren't?
IF they were CIA or some other Initialed organization they are trained to say they aren't and do it convincingly. Wouldn't be the first time that some young gunge ho people were recruited.
In Iran Maybe they could do that but I highly doubt it will happen. It's one great big quagmire. My gut suspicion says they get life but for the good if intent they release them after a few months. Just like North Korea did with that one American kid who crossed their border from china.
Yep. But I highly doubt you would get a judge to abide by the laws of Iran.
After all how would it look say for instance that a Swiss Judge had to apply the death penalty as that is the possibly the only penalty in accordance with the law. Also look at it this way. If they were to find them not guilty the Iranian Government would say they didn't follow the law. It's a catch 22 in that instance.
Either outcome will infuriate either side of the debate.
I said no. However The going to Switzerland or GB won't happen. After all it's Iran's laws they supposedly broke not Switzerland's or GB. When you go to any country and break a law of theirs(even if accidentally) then you should expect to be punished in accordance with their laws.
Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood and ElBaradei; unity government
Opposition group says will exclude reigning President's National Democratic Party from talks; Mohammed ElBaradei: I have been mandated by the people.
The Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's largest opposition group,is in talks with other anti-government figures to form a national unity government without President Hosni Mubarak, a group official told DPA on Sunday.
Although the Muslim Brotherhood is officially banned from running for elections for parliament, some movement members have presented candidacy for parliament as independents.
An army officer, borne on the shoulders of anti-government protesters, tearing up a picture of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in downtown Cairo, January 29, 2010.
Photo by: AP
Gamal Nasser, a spokesman for the Brotherhood, told DPA that his group was in talks with Mohammed ElBaradei - the former UN nuclear watchdog chief - to form a national unity government without the National Democratic Party of Mubarak.
The group is also demanding an end to the draconian Emergency Laws, which grant police wide-ranging powers The laws have been used often to arrest and harass the Islamist group.
Nasser said his group would not accept any new government with Mubarak. On Saturday the Brotherhood called on President Mubarak to relinquish power in a peaceful manner following the resignation of the Egyptian cabinet.
Speaking to CNN later Sunday, ElBaradei said he had a popular and political mandate to negotiate the creation of a national unity government.
"I have been authorized -- mandated -- by the people who organized these demonstrations and many other parties to agree on a national unity government," he told CNN.
"I hope that I should be in touch soon with the army and we need to work together. The army is part of Egypt," the opposition leader added.
Opposition figure Mustafa el-Naggar stated that ElBaradei "will be joining protesters in Tahrir," adding he would come to the square later on Sunday, his first visit to the hub of the protest since returning to Egypt on Thursday.
The Egyptian cabinet formally resigned Saturday at the command of Mubarak, following violent anti-government protests that have now reached their sixth day unabated.
Mubarak has yet to comment on the cabinet's resignation. The embattled president addressed the country on Saturday for the fist time since the riots began, saying that he had no intention to resign.
The protests are the most serious challenge to Mubarak's 30-year authoritarian rule. The embattled president defended the security forces' crackdown on protesters, but said that he will press ahead with social, economic and political reforms in the country.
Mubarak has not said yet whether he will stand for another six-year term as president in elections this year. He has never appointed a deputy and is thought to be grooming his son Gamal to succeed him despite popular opposition.
No doubt they do some good. But they are taking on the US for one individual. They picked the one that is going to give them the most press. As I have said there are lot's more deserving people. Manning is being treated no different than any other pretrial Militay person has been. It's a dog and pony show to drum up support to get him released so that he can possibly do more damage. Don;t know what is in the released document's but if there is something in there that could cause more harm to our troupes in the war zone's then he deserves to be where he is.
Again being in prison in Maximum Security for his own protection is better than being in general population where someone would injure or kill him. It's not torture. He get's to have visitors on the weekends and the person who brought Amnesty in is some MIT guy that has visited him. So I'm gonna believe his attorney before I'll believe Amnesty or a friend of his.
I'll say this. Having been on active duty and some of the things I've had to do during that time I would have given anything to be able to have a good shower every night, 3 squares, a comfy cot with just a blanket and so forth. So that being said from experience what he has is a thousand times better than what our troupes are having to put up with in a war zone. So again I say he's not being tortured. And every person that has been or is on active duty will say the same thing.
As far as Amnesty they could pick better cases to worry about instead of someone who brought upon himself the status he is in.
"emmaline: being woken every 5 minutes, and having to answer even at night, is not torture?
not allowed to move around his cell? that is not torture?
told he can only walk in figure 8's. that is not torture?
no pillow, no sheets....
the patriot act is nothing but a free for all for human cruelty. and tis is what we condemn others of doing"
What he get's is not torture. No need for a sheet when you have a heated room and a blanket. He can move all he want's in that one man 6x12 cell. Figure eights and lots of other exercises he can and does get proper instruction on. Oh and 3 hot meals a day, Shower, up to 15 different magazines and books in his cell at one time.
If you think that's torture well sorry.
The problem is he was never being woken every 5 min. Weither incorrect or not you insist he is being tortured for that and not being allowed more than 1 hour outside his one man cell which is plenty big.
There is no torture here period.
Even his lawyer says he's in good hands. And not being tortured. I really feel for you and Shamnesty International. You could have maybe made a difference where it might have counted instead of bashing the US military with unfounded rumors of Torturing one of their own.
Manning's lawyer David Coombs—a former serviceman and military attorney—said Manning's guards were professional, and had at no time tried to bully, harass or embarrass him. During the daytime, guards check on Manning every five minutes and he is required to respond in some affirmative manner.When Manning goes to sleep he is required to strip to his boxer shorts and surrender his clothing to his guards. Coombs wrote on his blog in December 2010: "if the guards cannot see Manning clearly, because he has a blanket over his head or is curled up towards the wall, they will wake him in order to ensure he is O.K." When Manning was briefly placed on suicide watch, he was stripped to his underwear and had his glasses taken away, except when he was allowed to watch television or read.
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RE: Iranian nuclear programme
Yes some parts of the GC were in effect before WWII but as I gave you a link and by the quote countries do not have to ratify the whole document and can opt out of certain part's as Iran has done. Look at the pdf and Iran is listed but only for a couple of thing's and opted out of some.Also remember if a country changes it's government they should be required to resign but that is not done. Just remember that any significant Change can lead to ignoring the GC altogether by any country.
The treaties of 1949 have been ratified, in whole or with reservations, by 194 countries.