Well, some fellow Queenslanders may care about other religious people who unknowingly follow a Hellenistic deformed religion rather than the teachings of the originally Jewish authors of the Renewed Covenant scriptures.
I am not here to convert those people who think "God is Santa Claus for adults", only to inform people who have an inquiring mind, yet have never come across this information.
There is a fast growing movement to rediscover the originally Jewish works of art in their original Jewish context. I am one of these people. Thanks for the Internet a lot of information can be accessed online and shared in no time.
This knowledge is certainly available to everyone who looks for it.
The antichrist is not a person, but an imaginary person. Guess who it is about whom Christians believe that he abrogated the Torah, changed times and seasons [as per the Torah] and came in his own co-equal and co-eternal name claiming in the Temple of God to be deity?
Body, soul, spirit are different aspects of you, they are inseparable. If you die, you turn back to dust. There is no "spirit" part that survives death. This idea was adopted by Hellenistic Christians from Platonism.
Matthew 11:14 and 17:12-13 - John came in the manner of Elijah, but he was not Elijah. The Tanakh often speaks figuratively.
John 9:2 - Ancient Jews believed sickness was caused by sin, and the father's sin was visited upon the children. There is no reincarnation here.
John 3:3 - "Born again" is repentance, Nicodemus and the Pharisees thought they did not need to repent...
James 3: 6 And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell. (NASB)
6 And the tongue is a fire. The tongue is placed among our members as a world of iniquity; it stains the whole body, sets on fire the cycle of nature, and is itself set on fire by hell. (NRSV)
Why do you think it refers to reincarnation?
Galatians 6:7 - This closely relates to the Torah - blessings for obedience and curse for disobedience.
Matthew 26:52 - Where do you see reincarnation here?
"52 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword."
Surely, the Romans would have fixed Peter up in no time.
Revelation 13:10
"10 If you are to be taken captive, into captivity you go; if you kill with the sword, with the sword you must be killed. Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints."
It just says the beast will take some into captivity and those that will fight against him will be killed. Then there is a call to persevere in the faith in those difficult times...
I am aware that there are many people who try to read reincarnation into the bible. My cousin in Hungary is one of them. So these people translate in John 2 "the wind blows where is wants" as "the Spirit breathes" and teach that the Spirit breathes in the souls of the dead and breathes out the souls that are being reincarnated.
But this interpretation is just as valid as Daniken claiming that the Temple in Ezekiel was actually an UFO service station and the glory of God coming down into the Temple was actually an UFO.
Judeo Christianity? Did you mean 600 and 400 BC? You wrote AD. It could not be established before Christ because the Jewish Messianic expectations were in the early first century. Do you have the Essenes in mind? Their teachings were quite different.
This was my understanding, but recently I have been debating with a Preterist and their interpretation seem to make sense. I am not yet fully familiar with their position, but here is one of their websites:
1John 2: 19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
Paul also predicted this to happen well before John wrote the above:
1Tim. 4: 1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times [not 2000 so years] some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.
I am no less a Christian than the first century disciples, who followed in the footsteps of Yeshua ben Yosef, God's faithful servant, whom He anointed, empowered, raised and greatly exalted. However, those who came in "latter times" during the apostasy after the apostolic age (1Cor. 2), who adopted the doctrines of demons (ie Pagan ideas) deifying the Anointed of the Almighty (thereby making this faithful servant of the Father into the antichrist in whose name they committed horrendous crimes) and forbade the clergy to marry (1 Timothy 4) - those hijacked the term "Christian" and oppressed, exiled, killed and called heretic all those who were truly Christians.
It is against human nature to follow a single theology. In my view we started off with a single one, but then it got corrupted. One just needs to look at the history of the Catholic Church. No offence intended.
In Jewish reckoning there are ages that begin and end to give way to another age. The Messiah came to usher in the age of the Kingdom, and the time before that were the last days of the old age.
There is no such a thing as the end of the world, that is a gross mistranslation. The Greek "aion" means "age", a long time, but not "world" and not "eternity".
With 70 AD that age came to an end and the Jewish people were dispersed throughout the world, being the only such people that were preserved through 2000 years, their land re-established, they re-gathered to their ancient land, etc.
The Preterists argue that the Kingdom prophesied was spiritual, as Jesus said, it will not come with outward observance
Luke 17: 20 Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”
Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Luke 10: 8 Whatever city you enter and they receive you, eat what is set before you; 9 and heal those in it who are sick, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ 10 But whatever city you enter and they do not receive you, go out into its streets and say, 11 ‘Even the dust of your city which clings to our feet we wipe off in protest against you; yet be sure of this, that the kingdom of God has come near.’
So the Kingdom had come. The prophecies didn't indicate a 2000 year break. The term "kingdom" is used in the same way as "serfdom", but we see many of the Messianic tasks being fulfilled (Torah taken to the Gentiles, Israel regathered to her own land, etc). I posted this on the international forum.
Can you quote me the passage that says the earth is flat? I cannot recall any such verse. The Catholic Church did indeed teach that it, but they didn't derive it from the bible.
Book of Adam? There are many more that were not included for a reason. Maybe because they were not written in the first century. Maybe because their theology was incompatible with the Tanakh and the Renewed Covenant scriptures. The gospel of Mary, and so on were also not. There were heaps of people who wrote in those days their own gospels in the name of biblical heroes and their works were not included.
The coming of the Messiah was predicted in Daniel (seventy sevens prophecy), and because of there was a very fervent Messianic expectation around the time Jesus was born, which many people tried to exploit. The Daniel prophecy also tell us that God's anointed shall be cut off... the reference being to the Messiah ben Joseph, who was to suffer like Joseph himself did when his brethren betrayed him.
Marx's book, "Das Capital" wasn't included either, though he derived his ideas from the Jewish concept of the Kingdom of God.
Regarding who can be proven and who not, history works differently from the way you propose. History examines historical documents and draw conclusions, and there are ample ancient references to Jesus. A few historical persons are known from a single piece of document. Regarding Jesus' existence we have first and second century independent (even opposing) groups, fragments and translations of the gospels, hidden Jewish references to him, etc.
If you like, check out Geza Vermes' works, he is a Jew and certainly is not biased towards believing in Jesus:
It is only the sceptics that are trying hard to remove all religions from the world, so was with no success. They produced a chart of biblical contradictions, I downloaded it and had a look and it just showed they took a mechanical look of the bible without having any understanding of the culture and thought. One such example is who spoke from the burning bush, God of an angel, and surprise surprise they don't understand the concept of the shaliach. In that respect their work is deceptive as it is not based on proper investigation and knowledge.
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