I am not going to explain it for you because you have your rosy glasses of modern day civilisations on, thereby you seek to understand ancient events. You need to transport yourself back in time to ancient past when peoples were so wicked that they threw their babies into furnaces to please their gods and if the baby didn't cry the god was please with you, and so because women didn't want to be ashamed they drowned their babies before wrapping them up to take them to the furnace. This is just one of the things these nations practiced and their deeds were so incredibly horrific that it was not possible to reform them - let alone there were no reform programmes in those days. The quest was the survival of the Jewish people in those days and they could not afford the pollution of these peoples among them... so they ha no choice.
We may also wish to discuss the embargo against Iraq during the last decade that affected all the people and led to the deaths of 2 million children under the age of 6. What do you think about that? No difference to me, really.
But I think the difference is I seriously studied the bible and reworked biblical theology - and funny it is, it turned out quite a few people around the world came to very similar conclusions.
If I am correct you are an atheist. I was brought up as an atheist, and became a Christian later on in my life. I even studied in theological college. Then it happened that I tested the fundamentals and found them wrong. I did not become an atheist again.
I do not follow any organised religions and don't belong to any groups - exactly, because I decided to test all the fundamental biblical beliefs and found most of them incorrect.
Romans 2: 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them
If I understand this verse correctly, this actually says the divine laws are hard coded in people's conscience - as long as their conscience works...
I do not speak for others, so whatever I write here is my own belief.
I do not argue with scientific models. I simply say, I do not know how creation was done. Science may discover the how, but will ignore the who. Why is it hard to believe that the whole process was setup and directed by the infinite Being rather than it just happened for no reason whatsoever. The infinitely small collapsed matter exploded - somehow a much greater force appeared than the immense gravity was, that collapsed all matter of the universe into a single point. What was that super force? I do not know. I am not interfering with science, I let them discover what they can. None of their theories can eliminate God.
It could not have been created in 6 literal days because it says, God caused waters to flow into one place called seas and caused trees to grow out of the dry ground. Simply these things cannot happen in a day.
I have no idea about it, I simply did a quick google search, but I used to subscribe to scientific magazines that had articles from Christian scientists. they were not religiously charged articles, but proper science articles.
That is absolutely untrue. But here I am not talking about Scientific Creationism, though they have qualified scientist writing in their magazines. I have a science background myself, though I am in IT nowadays.
Science must also postulate certain things even if they cannot prove it. For example, the Big Bang could have only occurred if most of the matter of the universe is invisible and undetectable. Here you go, so they propose the idea of dark matter. Where is it? Who knows! Scientists simply accept its existence by blind faith simply because without it their model doesn't work.
Or how did the Big Bang occur? In the beginning there was a big nothingness. All matter was compressed in an infinitely small point (suprise, suprise, you need lots of faith here already) because of the immense gravity keeps matter in a collapsed state.
But then somehow it exploded. Wow! This is one of the biggest problem with the model. Because if it exploded (what actually had such a power to overcome this immense gravity? - lots of faith required again, you see?) all the tiny quarks and whatever it broke into would fly away from the centre in a straight line, because all the forces are isotropic, you cannot have any turbulence. But to form galaxies you need turbulence, so we need to speculate how to get turbulence.
I have to admit I have not followed science for at least 15 years, so I don't know where they are today, but you can see from the illustration I gave you how much problem the have if they want to come up with a model and still look smart.
Believers in creation say, we do not know how it happened, we are not told. The universe is the reflection of the infinite God, and is discoverable, and we should discover it.
I don't think you can accuse religion about the idea of the flat earth, it was the Roman Catholic church that invented it along with heaps of other things, the real biblical faith is way way simpler that what they invented.
You again try to pretend that you know it all. You cannot know if there is a God or there isn't. You can believe in Him or not.
Science works with models that are continually refined and sometimes completely dumped and replaced to accommodate new data. The universe is knowable and that is the beauty about it. The idea of creation doesn't go against this. Actually, the infinite complexity of the universe is expected if there is a God.
The problem is that creationists gave such a bad name to belief in creation. the bible is not a science book, the creation story is a song framed into a six-day frame to make a point. The universe already existed before verse 1. Even the earth is there in its raw form. The story simply tells about filling the earth - making a home for mankind. It is what you would have seen if you stood on earth. Read it and you see it is not that different from science and is quite logical. The sun, moon and the start are not created literally, rather, they become visible. But I am not going to give you an exposition about it.
Why do you think anyone else would be interested to list who the Christian scientists are? I am sure there are very smart people in all other religions. Brain and intelligence is not the exclusive domain of atheism as you seem to imply.
How do I know its age? I don't pretend to know it all. But I think civilisation appeared suddenly about 6000 BCE (or 10000?). My memory isn't so good nowadays, so that number may not be correct.
That is certainly interesting if you think about it.
Did you know that the Big Bang is only one of the proposed scientific models and there are a number of others - long time ago I read about a few others?
These people believe in God. They may not all believe in creation, but I guess once you believe in God creation is not such a difficult idea to accept.
When we break up we acknowledge defeat. Don't we carry these failures into the next relationship and because we haven't learned and haven't conquered - but gave up and ran away - our new relationships are also doomed to fail from the beginning.
It is very likely we will walk away again because we are used to failures. One failure after another until we get older and older and find it harder and harder to fight for a relationship. Then we wake up and don't understand why we are hurting, why we are alone. We are decent people, lots of great values... but one thing is missing.
We are not conquerors. We are losers. We shored up defeat upon defeat.
No victories.
But we always hope that we will win the next battle. We raise our flags and start again. The only problem is, we are not equipped to win it.
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