I, like Shedman, would like to see the proof that there is No God. Especially when scientists can not measure a Spirit being.
Bring it on, crot and Trish... Where is YOUR proof?
I have proof there IS a God, cos He's alive and well, living INSIDE me and many millions of others. He set it up so that only those who believe can have this experience. If you want the proof He has given, you must believe! Millions of supernaturally changed lives, do not LIE, there is your proof! His Grace is truely Amazing!
I posted this a couple of hours ago, to crotalus thread on Dawkins. I feel it is relevant in this thread also. It is by By Dan Vander Lugt
Is it inconsistent, as Richard Dawkins claims, for believers in God to look for scientific explanations of natural things, if they don’t think it is necessary to seek scientific proof of God’s existence?
This is a classic example of comparing apples to oranges. Infinite Spirit can’t be examined the same way the physical world can.
According to the Bible, the characteristics of the physical universe have been shaped by God. As the apostle Paul writes, “God’s invisible qualities—His eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made” (Romans 1:20). Because the natural world has been created and designed by God, it reflects His power and divine nature. However, God is of an entirely different order of being. He is not physical, but Spirit, of a higher dimension of being that encompasses our universe but which cannot be directly observed and measured by the physical sciences.
But if God can’t be directly investigated by physical science, are there no compelling reasons to believe that He exists? Someone with a naïve faith in evolution might say there are no compelling reasons, but more objective scientists acknowledge that the rational basis for God’s existence is being continually strengthened as science progresses.
Even if it could be demonstrated at some future time that evolution is a seamless natural process with no “gaps” where God can be demonstrated to supernaturally intervene, atheists have to account for the components and circumstances that make the process possible. Physicists who believe in the probability of God’s existence don’t do so because of gaps in evolutionary theory, but because of the mind-boggling, overwhelming complexity of the circumstances within which natural macroevolution would have to occur.1
The fact that circumstances of such infinite, or nearly infinite, complexity exist as the necessary background to life implies design. The idea that the universe has no origin is a counterintuitive faith assumption, as everything in our experience that is complex is derived from something more complex. It’s hard to see how Dawkins and other atheists consider it more reasonable to believe that the infinite complexity of the natural world is rooted in chance.
The existence of randomness as part of the process of evolution within the space/time universe is not—as some atheists claim—evidence against design. Randomness itself appears to be an aspect of the design, making possible the development of self-aware, free beings (such as we are). Thus the existence of randomness and freedom within the context of natural law imply a much higher order of complexity than a mere “clockwork universe.”
So it isn’t unreasonable to believe in God, even if we can’t “explain” or “define” Him in scientific terms. The choices are to either take the mind-boggling complexity of a universe containing self-aware beings as mere accident, or to assume that the complexity we see within and around us is evidence of a supernatural God.
I have not had the pleasure of meeting you shedman. Greetings!
In 1876, the Sioux leader Crazy Horse joined forces with Sitting Bull to defeat General Custer and his army at Little Bighorn. Not much later, though, starvation caused Crazy Horse to surrender to US troops. He was killed while trying to escape. Despite this sad conclusion to his life, he became a symbol of heroic leadership of a threatened people.
Today in the Black Hills of South Dakota, he is commemorated with a monument being carved into a mountain—the Crazy Horse Memorial. When complete, it will be 641 feet long and 563 feet high. It will show Crazy Horse riding a galloping horse, pointing the way to his people.
This is commemorable, but I do not see it as being justifiable for the many lives of Indians and their shed blood, which were wrongly taken from them. To all of the American Indians, I LOVE you and I am sorry for what the early settlers did to your people!!! HL
Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble." Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you, casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you. Be sober-minded; be watchful. - 1 Peter 5:5-8
The title asks a great question. Isn't God with everyone? Scripture actually says no, He's not. Certain attitudes actually repel God's presence. The real war, of course, is fought on the inside. He won't show up when these internal attitude sins push Him away.
God is not with the proud.
What significant human problem does not begin with pride? Psalm 138:6 says, "The LORD . . . regards the lowly, but the haughty he knows from afar." If you think you don't need God and can do life on your own, then God respects your choice and stays far away. A proud soul thinks that God is just for weak people. And God backs away and watches; We'll see how that goes for you. Pride is God repellent but God rushes to help the humble person.
God's not with the worldly.
James 4:4 says, "Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God." Love for the world and love for God cannot coexist. We all live in this battle. The world tries to drag us down but God wants to pull us out. Face it: if your goal is fixed on satisfying your own self-indulgence and private pleasure, and in getting what you want when you want it, you're worldly.
Listen up, friend. These warnings are for all of us. James 3:2 says that "we all stumble in many ways." None of us are perfect people - just forgiven. That said, our relationship with God is dependent on how we deal with our own sin. When God shows you your sin in the mirror and you repent of it as soon as you realize it, and humbly ask Him for forgiveness and strength to not return to that sin again, God's mercy floods over you. But if you hide your sin, thinking, No one's going to stop me from doing what I want to do. I don't care that it's sin; I'm doing it anyway, that's harboring sin and it's so dangerous.
Categorically, the Lord is not with everyone - not with the proud or the worldly - but He can be with you. He is with you if your heart is yielded to Him, if you've turned from your sin and embraced Christ by faith and you're seeking every day to walk in obedience to Him.
I simply stated facts. Thought your little scientific pea brain could at least find a little understanding in it.
I should have known... you are just impossible crot!!
The OP should have read...
which is more ignorant? believing there is a god or believing there is no possibility of one? or believing crotalus can understand ANYTHING ANYONE shares here?
Croat... Life is all about choices... Everyday, we have choices to make. Will I choose to get out of bed now or sleep a little longer? Will I choose to drink a cup of java or orange juice? What will I choose to wear? I choose to watch the news... Do I choose to believe what I see and hear on the news is truth or lies or both? Choices are not absolutes. Tomorrow, you may determine to do things differently by making different choices. Hopefully, you will choose to wear clean clothes and not the same clothes you chose to wear yesterday. I can believe the sky is black, only to look out the window after the sun has risen and choose to now believe that the sky is blue. In the evening as the sun sets, I can now change my belief that the sky is now orange. Beliefs can be influenced by our surroundings, cirucmstances, and what we can see, feel, hear, touch and taste. Some have even developed use of sences beyond these five. Making choices are reactions to what the mind perceives. Even if only in the current moment. The next moment brings changes.
I did not vote. You should have given a 3rd alternative such as "None of the above".
They both lie along the pathway of life. As we journey through life, we grow and gain knowledge and wisdom. Experiences can change our beliefs.
Be flexible... Nothing is written in Stone... All things are subject to Change!
There are many who believed there is a god, who no longer believe. There are also those who believed there is no possibility of one, who now do believe.
It's the individuals FREEDOM to walk their own walk to the beat of the sound of the drum they are hearing. We should not infringe on the right of their FREEDOM.
I would say that neither is ignorant. Everyone journeys at his own pace.
Far be it from me to think that I understand what is really going on! But... I DO believe that SOMETHING is going on and I do seek to gain understanding of it.
For WHAT are we being prepared? Why not watch the videos and you will know. It includes footage from past Presidents, such as Woodrow Wilson and Dwight D. Eisenhower, who stated what was going on, even back then.
Many speak against CTs and Informative videos, yet they themselves never watch them. This would give their negative opinions absolutely NO VALUE. If they were to watch the videos, then state why they believe it was untrue and dispute it, it could carry some weight and have some value.
As I have stated previously FM, A book can not save Anyone! I do not live by a book. An invisible being lives within me and we have a relationship.
I do not need to convince anyone. I only share MY reality. I have already hit bottom. I was lifted out of the pit, given new life and another chance. I should be dead, but I live, this time, for others, not self. I love instead of hate. I am a different person than I used to be. It is hard to explain so that you would understand. Guess you have to experience it to gain understanding.
I can not answer concerning other religions. I am anti-religion. I only know my own experience. I only know the God I have a relationship with.
Share with us the REAL truth FM... I for one would like to know.
Hey, if it's all just a bunch of CTs, then so be it. But... What if there is some truth to it? I for one, would rather see it coming and prepare for it, than to be ambushed!
Having a wonderful morning and I haven't seen my black cat this morning. He will be along soon for his breakfast. He's probably playing in the ravine, hunting mice. It's a Blessed Day for me. Don't believe in "luck", bad or good.
I have no money to buy a DVD and have not heard of this one until now. Alex is quite passionate about what he exposes! But there is usually truth in what he says. Perhaps he goes a little overboard, but he is driven by passion. Hey, at least he isn't apathetic! Not saying I agree with his methods, but I would watch the movie.
Please, the Torrent link... Enquiring Minds want to Know!
HERE IS WHATS SPECIFICALLY WRONG AND WHAT YOU CAN DO: This bill is sitting in committee and I am not sure when it is going to hit the floor. One thing I do know is that very few of the Representatives have read it. As usual they will vote on this based on what someone else is saying. Read the legislation and ask for opposition to this devastating legislation. Devastating for everyday folks but great for factory farming ops like Monsanto, ADM, Sodexo and Tyson to name a few.
I have no doubt that this legislation was heavily influenced by lobbyists from huge food producers. This legislation is so broad based that technically someone with a little backyard garden could get fined and have their property siezed. It will effect anyone who produces food even if they do not sell but only consume it. It will literally put all independent farmers and food producers out of business due to the huge amounts of money it will take to conform to factory farming methods.
If people choose to farm without industry standards such as chemical pesticides and fertilizers they will be subject to a vareity of harassment from this completely new agency that has never before existed. That's right, a whole new government agency is being created just to police food, for our own protection of course.
DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, READ THIS LEGISLATION FOR YOURSELF. The more people who read this legislation the more insight we are going to get and be able to share. I Urge you to read this legislation and to oppose the passage of this legislation.
Pay special attention to
Section 3 which is the definitions portion of the bill-read in it's entirety. Section 103, 206 and 207- read in its entirety.
During times of Stalin’s regime, the nationalization of farming methods took place. This enabled his administration to gain control over the food supply. He used food rations to control the population.
Last word...... Legislate religion and enforce gag orders on ministers on what can and can't be said in the pulpit, instituting regulations forcing people to rely fully on the government, control the format of money (cash, plastic or digital), seeds and food.
For Health Freedom, John C. Hammell, President International Advocates for Health Freedom 556 Boundary Bay Road Point Roberts, WA 98281-8702 USA
Buried in the bills are fine print that will force farmers to buy and use pesticides and to comply with severely onerous red tape (ostensibly to "protect consumers") or be driven out of business by gigantic fines. It is "claimed" and being presented to establish a "Food Safety Administration" with in the Department of Health and Human Services to "protect" the public from food born illnesses.... but as usual, nothing that happens in DC is actually the way it seems on the surface- its all smoke and mirrors- all LIES!!! Congresswoman Rosa De Lauro (D-CT) deserves burial by phone call, fax, email and irate personal visits for sponsoring the slimiest piece of legislation I've seen in a very long time: HR 875 The (So Called) Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009:
This bill aleady has 31 cosponsors who most likely never read anything more than the PREAMBLE to the bill which seems reasonable enough, but as usual, the DEVIL is in the DETAILS. Peter Defazio (D-OR) is even cosponsoring this. He needs to REMOVE HIS NAME, and I think he will once he realizes whats actually in this bill. He is normally on our side against huge corporate powers like Monsanto, but in this case he's clearly making a mistake. Whats driving this despicable P.O.S. was the recent contaminated Peanut Plant in Georgia
As usual, Monsanto's lobbyists are up to no good, however, and they've stuck language into this puppy that needs to be yanked outa there PRONTO- and we're all going to have to do some work to make that happen! If we don't, you can say goodbye to all that nice organic produce that you buy at your health food store, in the organics section of your supermarket, from farmers markets, and you can even expect to have the Fedstapo show up on your DOORSTEP to FINE you for growing a garden in your own YARD- THAT is how overly broad the bill language in this thing is! Check it out: Full Text:
What is going on with vaccines and vaccine companies lately?
Throughout Europe, Live H5N1 Avian Flu Virus was found in flu vaccines from the US vaccine company Baxter that was sent to 18 Countries last year. Thankfully the Czech Republic tested it on ferrets in the lab. They all dropped dead. Flu vaccines are supposed to contain only a dead flu virus. With these, they contained live H5N1, mixed with a live human strain, which might have spawned a hybrid that could unleash a pandemic wiping out massive amounts of people. This is not being covered anywhere in the US press with the exception of one source, Bloomberg. Doesn't that seem strange? And here are links to the story:
Some are outright accusing Baxter of intentionally doing this as they also produce the H5N1 vaccine. This seems ridiculous I know. But it would not be the first time vaccine companies have shipped out products that they knew would kill.
Bayer gave hemophiliacs Factor 8 that they knew was infected with the AIDS virus to U.S., Japanese, and European citizens including children. Watch this clip from MSNBC-
The London Telegraph reported that Medical staff in Poland are being investigated over medical trials on as many as 350 homeless and poor people last year, which prosecutors say involved an untried vaccine to the highly-contagious H5N1 Avian Flu virus. At least 21 died. The victims to be tested were told it was a conventional flu vaccine but, according to investigators, was actually an anti bird-flu drug.
And of course we've all heard of links between the Mercury that is contained in the Thimerosal in vaccines. Here's a clip from MSNBC on the direct link. (By the way, don't let them tell you they took the Thimerosal out, it's not true, they only took it out of 3%)
Here is a short video from the University Of Calgary Department of physiology and biophysics faculty of Medicine about how the Mercury in vaccines leads to brain-damage and Alzheimer's.
But hey, the vaccine companies are fighting back, and according to this CBS clip, Mercury is delicious and will make your kids super-smart. Wow, absolutely sick how stupid they think we are that mercury is good for you. I bet all those "mad-hatters" are surprized.
There is much, much more information out there but trying to keep this as short as a possible. I'm not telling anybody not to get a vaccine. But do yourself and your kids a favor and go and do some research before you get stuck. And remember, the flu vaccine is a guess every year as to which strain, and generally they get it wrong. Check for yourself.
RE: Prove to me....
Hi Mike!!!I know, it's been said enough. I know their game, just killing time. Oops, krimsa, I am not a time murderer, please don't blame God!!!!!
I need to get ready for work. Don't have to be there for awhile but I want to take a nice long hot bubble bath!