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Hi Vinny, and all others here now
I ventured to the EU's a few months ago, and recognised some folk from the Inter's, so I started posting, and enjoy my time here. I fact I seem to spend more time here than on the Inters lately. a different pace and style. More respect, and little danger of a couple of 'crazies' descending upon me!
As for feeling ignored, yep, if it's around mid morning here in Aussie Land, I am often ignored. Usually coz you're all in bed except for maybe the regular insomniacs, thank goodness!
I ventured to the EU's a few months ago, and recognised some folk from the Inter's, so I started posting, and enjoy my time here. I fact I seem to spend more time here than on the Inters lately. a different pace and style. More respect, and little danger of a couple of 'crazies' descending upon me!
As for feeling ignored, yep, if it's around mid morning here in Aussie Land, I am often ignored. Usually coz you're all in bed except for maybe the regular insomniacs, thank goodness!
From my experience, this forum is more rigid and conservative than the international. Not in subjects, but in treating newcomers. Which suited me perfectly.
Prelude: I’ve got a job some time ago, and the employer made it clear from the beginning that I would have to speak English now and then, mostly in front of a group. The thought itself terrified me. Especially after 9 long years during which my ex told me nothing else that my accent is impossible to understand. There were times when I didn’t speak at all, in any language (just as defensive reaction to avoid gibe), and it’s very difficult to get back your confidence once it lost.
But job is job, you just have to do it, so I asked my friend (she’s a teacher) if there are some ways to overcome this state. Her advice was to start to speak, no matter what, just to get used to making noises in public. And it would be even better to do it in a hostile environment. If I would manage that, I will be more at ease speaking to a friendly auditorium.
Conclude: a couple of weeks ago I held a speech in English in front of 25 people without blushing, stammering and being drench in cold sweat. So I don’t know how it is for the other newcomers, but for me it worked.
Prelude: I’ve got a job some time ago, and the employer made it clear from the beginning that I would have to speak English now and then, mostly in front of a group. The thought itself terrified me. Especially after 9 long years during which my ex told me nothing else that my accent is impossible to understand. There were times when I didn’t speak at all, in any language (just as defensive reaction to avoid gibe), and it’s very difficult to get back your confidence once it lost.
But job is job, you just have to do it, so I asked my friend (she’s a teacher) if there are some ways to overcome this state. Her advice was to start to speak, no matter what, just to get used to making noises in public. And it would be even better to do it in a hostile environment. If I would manage that, I will be more at ease speaking to a friendly auditorium.
Conclude: a couple of weeks ago I held a speech in English in front of 25 people without blushing, stammering and being drench in cold sweat. So I don’t know how it is for the other newcomers, but for me it worked.
Tulefel: From my experience, this forum is more rigid and conservative than the international. Not in subjects, but in treating newcomers. Which suited me perfectly.
Prelude: I’ve got a job some time ago, and the employer made it clear from the beginning that I would have to speak English now and then, mostly in front of a group. The thought itself terrified me. Especially after 9 long years during which my ex told me nothing else that my accent is impossible to understand. There were times when I didn’t speak at all, in any language (just as defensive reaction to avoid gibe), and it’s very difficult to get back your confidence once it lost.
But job is job, you just have to do it, so I asked my friend (she’s a teacher) if there are some ways to overcome this state. Her advice was to start to speak, no matter what, just to get used to making noises in public. And it would be even better to do it in a hostile environment. If I would manage that, I will be more at ease speaking to a friendly auditorium.
Conclude: a couple of weeks ago I held a speech in English in front of 25 people without blushing, stammering and being drench in cold sweat. So I don’t know how it is for the other newcomers, but for me it worked.
Prelude: I’ve got a job some time ago, and the employer made it clear from the beginning that I would have to speak English now and then, mostly in front of a group. The thought itself terrified me. Especially after 9 long years during which my ex told me nothing else that my accent is impossible to understand. There were times when I didn’t speak at all, in any language (just as defensive reaction to avoid gibe), and it’s very difficult to get back your confidence once it lost.
But job is job, you just have to do it, so I asked my friend (she’s a teacher) if there are some ways to overcome this state. Her advice was to start to speak, no matter what, just to get used to making noises in public. And it would be even better to do it in a hostile environment. If I would manage that, I will be more at ease speaking to a friendly auditorium.
Conclude: a couple of weeks ago I held a speech in English in front of 25 people without blushing, stammering and being drench in cold sweat. So I don’t know how it is for the other newcomers, but for me it worked.
CONGRATULATIONS!
Tulefel: From my experience, this forum is more rigid and conservative than the international. Not in subjects, but in treating newcomers. Which suited me perfectly.
Prelude: I’ve got a job some time ago, and the employer made it clear from the beginning that I would have to speak English now and then, mostly in front of a group. The thought itself terrified me. Especially after 9 long years during which my ex told me nothing else that my accent is impossible to understand. There were times when I didn’t speak at all, in any language (just as defensive reaction to avoid gibe), and it’s very difficult to get back your confidence once it lost.
But job is job, you just have to do it, so I asked my friend (she’s a teacher) if there are some ways to overcome this state. Her advice was to start to speak, no matter what, just to get used to making noises in public. And it would be even better to do it in a hostile environment. If I would manage that, I will be more at ease speaking to a friendly auditorium.
Conclude: a couple of weeks ago I held a speech in English in front of 25 people without blushing, stammering and being drench in cold sweat. So I don’t know how it is for the other newcomers, but for me it worked.
Prelude: I’ve got a job some time ago, and the employer made it clear from the beginning that I would have to speak English now and then, mostly in front of a group. The thought itself terrified me. Especially after 9 long years during which my ex told me nothing else that my accent is impossible to understand. There were times when I didn’t speak at all, in any language (just as defensive reaction to avoid gibe), and it’s very difficult to get back your confidence once it lost.
But job is job, you just have to do it, so I asked my friend (she’s a teacher) if there are some ways to overcome this state. Her advice was to start to speak, no matter what, just to get used to making noises in public. And it would be even better to do it in a hostile environment. If I would manage that, I will be more at ease speaking to a friendly auditorium.
Conclude: a couple of weeks ago I held a speech in English in front of 25 people without blushing, stammering and being drench in cold sweat. So I don’t know how it is for the other newcomers, but for me it worked.
Congratulations Tulefel, that was a lovely read.
In my view, Europeans are more careful in accepting newcomers than our friends in the land of big and plenty. But once they are in they are in. We are not all gushing, much more conservative, I know I am, rare I'm to be found in the welcome threads over in the Internationals, I am more likely to be found here as I am interested in new people joining us.
This has been an interesting read, maybe we should make more of an effort, who knows?
I do not for a moment consider that any of the regulars would not welcome any new member, I was warmly welcomed over a year ago.
Yes this worked for me on an Italian site as well.... it really does help diving in! 
Course my spelling is still atrocious... can't win em all, but they seem to understand and help out when I ask.
Course my spelling is still atrocious... can't win em all, but they seem to understand and help out when I ask.
gininitaly: Yes this worked for me on an Italian site as well.... it really does help diving in!
Course my spelling is still atrocious... can't win em all, but they seem to understand and help out when I ask.
Course my spelling is still atrocious... can't win em all, but they seem to understand and help out when I ask.
Congratulations to Tuelfel.
Yes: I ventured in the EU to learn English. Or Italian. Or French. I thought I could possibly teach American.
Just teasing. I find some of the topics here more easily entered into, and I love the back and forth conversations people have here. Makes me feel like I'm almost in the cafe or shop listening!
Coffee is hot though...he must wish for iced coffee to be splashed. Does this mean we have to wear revealing tops to the coffee shops? Lago..quite the proprietor and all.
gininitaly: Yes this worked for me on an Italian site as well.... it really does help diving in!
Course my spelling is still atrocious... can't win em all, but they seem to understand and help out when I ask.
Course my spelling is still atrocious... can't win em all, but they seem to understand and help out when I ask.
Heck, you're already a 'regular' - like that 'newbie' Sommer was just a few weeks ago!
What's a regular anyway?
There are people who have been here for years who often don't post for months on end - I can name a few:
cherscic, brunette, Jacko,twinself, pseg, angie (angel something or other)........... and that's just six from from Malta alone who I've all met socially and are all alive and well as far as I know!
The only really 'regular' people I know are never constipated!¬
vinny1967: I have been on the site 6/7 months now and I would just like to ask people in the EU Forums are the happy with the EU forums ?
From my experience no new people actually seem to join in.....
I have posted occassionally and a lot of the posts seem to be ignored...............which is no biggie really for me.........I could care less truthfully........
But do people feel afraid to join in because it seems to be the same few people.........
Do the regulars want more people to join in......
Jus wondering........
Hi vinny From my experience no new people actually seem to join in.....
I have posted occassionally and a lot of the posts seem to be ignored...............which is no biggie really for me.........I could care less truthfully........
But do people feel afraid to join in because it seems to be the same few people.........
Do the regulars want more people to join in......
Jus wondering........
i have felt that too, i have posted a few times and there is only one person whoever responds to me, and we have met. That's why i stay in International Forums. Kinda feel unwelcome here. No offence meant to anyone 
morgan5: Hi vinny i have felt that too, i have posted a few times and there is only one person whoever responds to me, and we have met. That's why i stay in International Forums. Kinda feel unwelcome here. No offence meant to anyone
Oh Morgan, I´m so sad that people feel this way, and you are possibly the third person to say it so there must be some truth in it.
I will say again though, that nobody deliberately ignores anybody here. I think it´s all about being in the know about regular threads. Our threads go on for much longer here and there isn´t such a quick turnaround time, so we kind of get into this prolonged chat mode. If that excludes members who pop in and out, then I apologise.
As Lago says though, some of us here are often ignored when we pop into the Int. Forum, perhaps for the same reasons, I don´t know.
We need to pull our socks up a little perhaps.
Jan1305: Oh Morgan, I´m so sad that people feel this way, and you are possibly the third person to say it so there must be some truth in it.
I will say again though, that nobody deliberately ignores anybody here. I think it´s all about being in the know about regular threads. Our threads go on for much longer here and there isn´t such a quick turnaround time, so we kind of get into this prolonged chat mode. If that excludes members who pop in and out, then I apologise.
As Lago says though, some of us here are often ignored when we pop into the Int. Forum, perhaps for the same reasons, I don´t know.
We need to pull our socks up a little perhaps.
Hi jan I will say again though, that nobody deliberately ignores anybody here. I think it´s all about being in the know about regular threads. Our threads go on for much longer here and there isn´t such a quick turnaround time, so we kind of get into this prolonged chat mode. If that excludes members who pop in and out, then I apologise.
As Lago says though, some of us here are often ignored when we pop into the Int. Forum, perhaps for the same reasons, I don´t know.
We need to pull our socks up a little perhaps.
i don't think it's intentional just feels abit more close knit here and it'd seems like the regulars tend to respond only to the people they know. Still pop in now and again 
morgan5: Hi jan i don't think it's intentional just feels abit more close knit here and it'd seems like the regulars tend to respond only to the people they know. Still pop in now and again
Good. You´re a Malta gal now so you should feel more at home here!
To me, the EU forums are more comfortable, calm and reflective. EU forums are a coffee shop on a sunny Sunday afternoon where I can sip a wino and chat with people who slowly come in for an hour at a time. International Forums, I have my high heeled leather boots on out for a Saturday night where I've gotta talk quick, be sharp and have just 1 minute to impress. Two different feelings for two different moods. Both are great.
In my opinion, the regulars of the EU are quite welcoming. A bit cautious initially, but nonetheless welcoming.
Smart as whips also...and diverse personalities. It's nice
In my opinion, the regulars of the EU are quite welcoming. A bit cautious initially, but nonetheless welcoming.
Smart as whips also...and diverse personalities. It's nice
immanuelle: To me, the EU forums are more comfortable, calm and reflective. EU forums are a coffee shop on a sunny Sunday afternoon where I can sip a wino and chat with people who slowly come in for an hour at a time. International Forums, I have my high heeled leather boots on out for a Saturday night where I've gotta talk quick, be sharp and have just 1 minute to impress. Two different feelings for two different moods. Both are great.
In my opinion, the regulars of the EU are quite welcoming. A bit cautious initially, but nonetheless welcoming.
Smart as whips also...and diverse personalities. It's nice
In my opinion, the regulars of the EU are quite welcoming. A bit cautious initially, but nonetheless welcoming.
Smart as whips also...and diverse personalities. It's nice
I agree Imma. However, a wino is someone who drinks too much, vino is the word you neant I think!
Jan1305: I agree Imma. However, a wino is someone who drinks too much, vino is the word you neant I think!
whoops....type...very bad typo
Hi.....Sorry I have not been online in a day and a half so I will try to get around to responding to anyone who addressed me.
I would like to say that I'm happy that a few people have agreed with me...........
As I say it was from my own experience and in no way was it meant to insult anyone.......
I would like to say that I'm happy that a few people have agreed with me...........
As I say it was from my own experience and in no way was it meant to insult anyone.......
vinny1967: Hi.....Sorry I have not been online in a day and a half so I will try to get around to responding to anyone who addressed me.
I would like to say that I'm happy that a few people have agreed with me...........
As I say it was from my own experience and in no way was it meant to insult anyone.......
I would like to say that I'm happy that a few people have agreed with me...........
As I say it was from my own experience and in no way was it meant to insult anyone.......
Hi Vinny
You have not insulted any person, I have never known you to insult a person.
Sometimes it is not the message, it is the deliverance of the message and you delivered it beautifully.
Sommerauer71: Hi you.
I agree that it could have a debilitating effect on onlookers, but then that is their problem not ours. To be blunt, when I joined here, first, I never posted for months, but I read, not because I was afraid, but because I know what a community is like, sometimes they can be wary and sniff around you until they know you are 'safe' That was my problem and mine alone, not the members here. When I did post, I was welcomed warmly.
I would love for more people to be here, somedays it is quiet, it will be in the summer, winter is busier, because we are home more. But when people like you, come and ask the question, it makes me sit up and realise that people do feel like this.
We have members from the other side lately and they love it and it does help when people know them, even if only one.
Hard to upset a feelgood factor, we would not allow that to happen, here. It is a warm welcoming place where we embrace all and all are embraced.
I do not post in the UK or Irish ones, I read occasionally, but here is my home, the International's are a place where I go to remind myself that I need to come back here.
Other regulars will give a different view, but it is interesting.
I agree that it could have a debilitating effect on onlookers, but then that is their problem not ours. To be blunt, when I joined here, first, I never posted for months, but I read, not because I was afraid, but because I know what a community is like, sometimes they can be wary and sniff around you until they know you are 'safe' That was my problem and mine alone, not the members here. When I did post, I was welcomed warmly.
I would love for more people to be here, somedays it is quiet, it will be in the summer, winter is busier, because we are home more. But when people like you, come and ask the question, it makes me sit up and realise that people do feel like this.
We have members from the other side lately and they love it and it does help when people know them, even if only one.
Hard to upset a feelgood factor, we would not allow that to happen, here. It is a warm welcoming place where we embrace all and all are embraced.
I do not post in the UK or Irish ones, I read occasionally, but here is my home, the International's are a place where I go to remind myself that I need to come back here.
Other regulars will give a different view, but it is interesting.
Ta Sommer for your honesty as always..........
Your point on it being debilitating to onlookers is well made...
It can be daunting when people just see the same people posting.
That is s problem for them to overcome IMO and just jump in.
However it can be a very lonely place when someone posts in a thread and is ignored as has happened me in the past......I would have thought good manners would dictate a ressponse......
This is just a comment and in no way I'm referring to you, as I have always found you inclusive......
gininitaly: Maybe that's something you see more in the states than in your real time in Ireland, they were maybe first, second generations there.... probably met at church .
So the Irish and the Brits have a different sense of humor... that's interesting. But I don't doubt it, my favorite toast is Irish:
May those that love us, love us.
And those that don’t love us,
May God turn their hearts.
And if he doesn’t turn their hearts,
May he turn their ankles,
So we’ll know them by their limping.
.... if it were only true.
Never been to Spain, though I thought that they would be a lot like the Italians, but people are changing everywhere. Once you could tell who everyones culture was right away when they got off a tour bus....and now we've all blended together in appearances on the outside... modern life. And Italy has changed so much in 25 years, that it amazes me sometimes. But that applies to most of the planet.....we're evolving so fast now, it can make your head spin.
So the Irish and the Brits have a different sense of humor... that's interesting. But I don't doubt it, my favorite toast is Irish:
May those that love us, love us.
And those that don’t love us,
May God turn their hearts.
And if he doesn’t turn their hearts,
May he turn their ankles,
So we’ll know them by their limping.
.... if it were only true.
Never been to Spain, though I thought that they would be a lot like the Italians, but people are changing everywhere. Once you could tell who everyones culture was right away when they got off a tour bus....and now we've all blended together in appearances on the outside... modern life. And Italy has changed so much in 25 years, that it amazes me sometimes. But that applies to most of the planet.....we're evolving so fast now, it can make your head spin.
Hi Gini............
I shd have quantified my experiences in both countries as I would hate to generalise.........
My visists to Spain has been to Tourist areas while my visits to Ital has been on Business so I guess I'm meeting the real Italians whereas in Spain the touristy areas are domninated by non Spanish, and the ones that are there, are prob peed off by their (our) behaviour.......
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Vinny - there are several types, logically, of CS members.
1. Some that are members but are not proactive in any way.
2. Some that email other CS members but never even look at forums let alone post in them!
3. Some that post loads in the forums but hardly ever email (myself for example).
4. Some that both post in forums and email lots of friends or potential friends.
5. Then some just use blogs or the chat facility.
I am 100% sure that only a very small minority of members actually post in public forums - there are tens and tens of thousands of member of whom only a few hundred post.
Nice to see you posting - have a great Sunday!