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Feb 9, 2011 9:19 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
If you refute the Cast Lead figures I'll ask you to present your "version" of them.

But, all versions of the story point to the same end.

Israel is forging an apocalypse in the middle east. Their, and your pig-headed approach to international behavior is appalling. If you\Israel were a kid in old school Virginia where I grew up you would have had the tar kicked out of you for what you profess to be "rules of engagement" . When you can toss off your cloak of superiority and "lower yourself" to the level of common human decency then maybe, perhaps, there will hope. barf barf barf

Peace in Israel
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Feb 9, 2011 10:21 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
SilverBirch: If you refute the Cast Lead figures I'll ask you to present your "version" of them.

But, all versions of the story point to the same end.

Israel is forging an apocalypse in the middle east. Their, and your pig-headed approach to international behavior is appalling. If you\Israel were a kid in old school Virginia where I grew up you would have had the tar kicked out of you for what you profess to be "rules of engagement" . When you can toss off your cloak of superiority and "lower yourself" to the level of common human decency then maybe, perhaps, there will hope.

Peace in Israel


When you see the truth S B you will never recognise it. The lies you tell are so far the most entertaining thing on the forums.

How many Jewish/Zionist suicide bombers ????

Let me know when you finish ounting the Muslim ones


How many Rockets fired Randomly at folk ????

Do the same with the Palestinian rockets

As a matter of fact I would suggest common decency would prevent folk from blowing themselves up in the name of whatever and get to the PEACE TALKS ......As always just a few FACTS for you perusal grin cheers
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Feb 9, 2011 10:22 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
As I expected.laugh comfort

peace
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Feb 9, 2011 10:26 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
patmac: When you see the truth S B you will never recognise it. The lies you tell are so far the most entertaining thing on the forums.

How many Jewish/Zionist suicide bombers ????

Let me know when you finish ounting the Muslim ones How many Rockets fired Randomly at folk ????

Do the same with the Palestinian rockets

As a matter of fact I would suggest common decency would prevent folk from blowing themselves up in the name of whatever and get to the PEACE TALKS ......As always just a few FACTS for you perusal
How many suicide bombers in Israel the last five years? NONE

How many slaughtered by the IDF in the last five years???4200.

HOw many were slaughtered by IDF bombs???? 2000.barf

geT YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT PATvery mad very mad
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Feb 9, 2011 10:30 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
SilverBirch: How many suicide bombers in Israel the last five years? NONE

How many slaughtered by the IDF in the last five years???4200.

HOw many were slaughtered by IDF bombs???? 2000.

geT YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT PAT

Read my post I did not say bombers in Israel so do not twist it .
Modern
The number of attacks using suicide tactics has grown from an average of fewer than five per year during the 1980s to 180 per year between 2000 and 2005, and from 81 suicide attacks in 2001 to 460 in 2005. These attacks have been aimed at diverse military and civilian targets, including in Sri Lanka, Israeli targets in Israel since July 6, 1989, Iraqis since the US-led invasion of that country in 2003, and Pakistanis and Afghans since 2005.
There can be issues in identifying if a bombing was in fact a suicide bombing, but this varies in different regions. For example, in some reports in Bangladesh, troops or police of the targeted state are the sole source for the allegation of a suicide bomber attack, and such eyewitness accounts can be unreliable.
Nearly all modern suicide attacks are by Islamists, notable exceptions being the separatist Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam in Sri Lanka, and the Hindu nationalist Sri Ram Sene group in Mumbai, whose founder Bal Thackeray called in 2002 for suicide attacks against Muslims to combat their terrorism.
This issue with identifying attacks as suicide bombings is not such a problem in places like Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, where suicide bombing is an overt Islamist and anti-occupation strategy against the Israelis that has won the backing of both Hamas and Fatah.
For example, between October 2000 and October 2006 there were 167 clearly identified suicide bomber attacks, with 51 other types of suicide attack. It has been suggested that there were so many volunteers for the "Istishhadia" in the Second Intifada in Israel and the occupied territories, such was the tactics growing popular acceptance, that recruiters and dispatchers had a 'larger pool of candidates' than ever before, with one Fatah interviewee stating that they were' flooded' with applicants.
Suicide attacks are also a common feature of the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Suicide bombings have also become a tactic in Chechnya, first being used in the conflict in 2000 when a man and a woman drove a bomb-laden truck into a Russian army base in Alkhan Kala. A number of suicide attacks have occurred in Russia as a result of the Chechen conflict, ranging from the Moscow theater hostage crisis in 2002 to the Beslan school hostage crisis in 2004. The 2010 Moscow Metro bombings are also believed to result from the Chechen conflict.
There have also been suicide attacks in Western Europe and the United States. The September 11 World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks killed nearly 3000 people in New York, Washington D.C and Shanksville, Pennsylvania in 2001. A further attack in London on 7 July 2005 killed 52 people.
In short, suicide tactics have become commonplace in the modern world, with attacks on a global scale as part of diverse regional conflicts.


Just a few facts ......grin cheers
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Feb 9, 2011 10:37 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
And just for S B ...


Israel's history of bomb blasts
There have been more than 70 Palestinian bomb attacks aimed at Israelis since the current conflict erupted in September 2000. Below are some of the most deadly.
2005

25 February: Four people are killed and at least 30 people are injured in a bomb blast outside a night club in Tel Aviv, weeks after Israeli and Palestinian leaders declare a truce.

2004

1 November: A teenage suicide bomber kills at least three people in the crowded Carmel market in Tel Aviv.

31 August: At least 16 people are killed and dozens are injured in two near-simultaneous suicide bombings on two buses in the southern city of Beersheba.

11 July: One person is killed and 21 are wounded by a bomb packed with metal bolts, which explodes near a bus stop in Tel Aviv.

14 March: A double suicide bombing kills 10 Israelis in the port of Ashdod on the Mediterranean coast.

22 February: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills eight people and injures dozens in an attack on an Israeli bus in Jerusalem.

29 January: A suicide bomber kills 11 people and injures around 50 on a bus in Jerusalem.

14 January: Hamas female suicide bomber kills four Israelis on the border with Gaza and injures seven.

2003

4 October: A suicide bomber blows herself up in a packed Haifa restaurant, killing at least 19 people including three children.

9 September: Two separate suicide attacks leave at least 15 people dead and scores wounded in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

In the first attack, at least eight people were killed - including the bomber - at the entrance to the Tzrifin Israeli Defence Force base, near Tel Aviv.

Hours later, a bomb attack outside a popular cafe in west Jerusalem left at least seven dead.

19 August: A suicide bomber wrecks a bus in Jerusalem, killing at least 20 people and injuring up to 100 others, in a serious blow to peace efforts. Hours later, Israel halts the handover of West Bank towns and cuts off contacts with Palestinians officials.

12 August: At least four people are killed and dozens injured in two suicide attacks by Palestinian bombers in Israel and the West Bank.

In the first attack, an explosion rips through a shopping centre in the central Israeli town of Rosh Haayin near Tel Aviv, killing two people and injuring at least 10 others.

Shortly afterwards, another suicide bomber blows himself up among a group of Israeli soldiers at a bus stop outside the Jewish settlement of Ariel, in the West Bank.

19 June: A suicide bomber kills himself and an Israeli man, owner of a grocery shop in Sde Trumot, a small village a few kilometres from the West Bank in northern Israel.

11 June: Sixteen people are killed in a bus bomb in Jerusalem, in the first suicide attack since US President Bush's peace summit a week before. It follows an Israeli air strike on 10 June aimed at killing Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in Gaza.

Within an hour of the bus attack, Israeli helicopters launch another attack in Gaza, killing several people, reportedly including a top militant.

19 May: At least three people are killed and 18 injured in a suicide attack on a shopping mall in the northern Israeli town of Afula. The bomber is reported to have been a woman.
Earlier, three Israeli soldiers in the Gaza Strip are injured when a suicide bomber riding a bicycle detonate explosives strapped to his body.

18 May: Seven people are killed when a suicide bomber blows himself up on board a bus in northern Jerusalem. A second attacker kills himself minutes later as emergency crews arrive but no-one else is seriously hurt. The blasts come hours after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon held the first talks with his Palestinian counterpart, Mahmoud Abbas, better known as Abu Mazen.

17 May: A Palestinian suicide bomber disguised as a religious Jew kills an Israeli man and his pregnant wife in the West Bank town of Hebron.
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Feb 9, 2011 10:40 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
17 May: A Palestinian suicide bomber disguised as a religious Jew kills an Israeli man and his pregnant wife in the West Bank town of Hebron.


An attacker targeted a popular nightspot in Tel Aviv
30 April: A suicide bomber attacks a popular cafe in Tel Aviv, just hours after a new Palestinian cabinet wins approval under Abu Mazen who has pledged to crack down on militants. At least four people including the bomber are killed and dozens more injured.

24 April: An Israeli security guard is killed as he confronts a Palestinian suicide bomber outside a railway station in the town of Kfar Saba.

5 March: A powerful bomb blast ripped through a bus in the northern Israeli city of Haifa, killing at least 15 people. About 40 people were wounded, some of them seriously, in the explosion.

5 January: At least 23 people are killed and 100 wounded when two suicide attackers set off charges in crowded, parallel and adjacent streets during rush hour in Tel Aviv, echoing an attack in July 2001.

2002

21 November: A suicide bomber blows himself up on a packed rush-hour bus in west Jerusalem, killing 11 passengers and injuring scores more.

21 October:A suicide bomber drives a jeep packed with explosives into a bus near Pardes Hanna, killing at least 14 people, as well as the bomber.

10 October: A suicide bomber kills himself and a woman in an attack on a bus stop near Tel Aviv.

19 September: A suicide attack on a bus in Tel Aviv kills five and injures more than 50. A sixth victim - a medical student from Scotland - dies from his injuries the following day.

18 September: A six-week lull in suicide bombings comes to an end, when an Islamic Jihad militant kills himself and an Israeli policeman in the north of the country.

4 August: At least 10 Israelis are killed in a series of violent incidents, including a suicide bomb attack on a bus near the northern town of Safad.

31 July: A bomb in the students' cafeteria at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem kills seven - five of them Americans - and wounds more than 80.

30 July: A suicide bomber kills himself and wounds several Israelis in a fast-food store in Jerusalem.

17 July: A double suicide bomb attack near the old Tel Aviv bus station leaves five dead, including the two bombers, and injures about 40.

19 June: Eight people die including the bomber and 35 are injured in a suicide attack at a bus stop in the French Hill neighbourhood of East Jerusalem.

18 June: A suicide bomber kills himself and 19 civilians in a bomb attack on a bus in southern Jerusalem.

5 June: At least 14 are people killed in an attack on a bus at Megiddo junction, near the border with the West Bank. A suspected suicide attacker is believed to have driven up in a car behind the bus and detonated a bomb.

19 May: Three Israelis killed and nearly 30 injured when suicide bomber disguised in Israeli army uniform blows himself up at market in Netanya.

7 May: Suicide bomber attacks social club in the town of Rishon Letzion, killing 16 people and injuring more than 50. The attack was claimed by the armed wing of Hamas.

12 April: A suicide bomb attack at a bus stop in West Jerusalem, kills the bomber and six other people and injures about 50 more.

10 April: A suicide attack on a bus travelling near the Israeli city of Haifa kills at least eight people and injures dozens more.

31 March: Bomber attacks restaurant in Haifa, northern Israel, killing himself and 14 Israeli Jews and Arabs. On the same day, another bomber kills himself and wounds four people in an attack on an office for paramedics at the Jewish settlement of Efrat, south of Bethlehem.

27 March: In the Israeli resort of Netanya, a bomber blows himself up at a hotel, killing 28 Israelis celebrating Passover. The attack claimed by the armed wing of Hamas was the deadliest since the beginning of the uprising.
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Feb 9, 2011 10:41 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
20 March: Seven people killed in a suicide bomb attack on a bus carrying mainly Arab labourers near the northern town of Umm el-Fahem.

9 March: At least 11 people killed and 50 injured in suicide bomb attack on a crowded cafe in west Jerusalem, near the official residence of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

2 March: Nine people killed including two babies, and 57 injured after suicide bomb attack in an ultra-Orthodox area of Jerusalem.

27 January: Two people - one a female suicide bomber - die in an attack in a busy shopping area of central Jerusalem.

2001

2 December: A Palestinian suicide bomber blows up a bus in the northern coastal city of Haifa, killing 15 people and wounding more than 100 others.

1 December: Twelve people, including two suicide bombers, are killed in an attack on a Jerusalem shopping centre.

29 November: At least four people die in a suicide bomb attack on a bus in the northern town of Hadera. Islamic Jihad claim responsibility.

9 September: Three people are killed in a suicide bombing at a crowded railway station in the town of Naharia. The bomber is the first Israeli Arab to carry out such an attack.

9 August: Fifteen people are killed and about 90 others injured in a suicide attack on a busy restaurant in the heart of Jerusalem. Hamas admits responsibility.

1 June: Suicide bomb attack on a disco in Tel Aviv leaves 21 people dead and more than 60 others injured. Islamic Jihad claim responsibility.

18 May:Five Israelis are killed and around 100 injured when a suicide bomber belonging to Hamas blows himself up outside a shopping centre in Netanya.

28 March: Three people killed and several others severely injured in a nail bomb attack near a bus stop close to the central Israeli town of Kfar Saba. Hamas admits responsibility.

2000

22 November: Two Israelis killed and 55 wounded by a car bomb that explodes during the rush-hour in northern town of Hadera.

2 November: Two Israelis killed by a powerful car bomb at central Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda market, a frequent target of attacks.



Now when did the Israelis close them up in GAZA grin cheers
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Feb 9, 2011 10:43 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
It's 5:30 AM where you (/ Al,..rolling on the floor laughing ) are/????? So I'm sure you speak with a clear head. We are and have been talking about the Israeli-Palestine debacle. You compared the Zionist bombing with Palestine bombing, And you compared suicide bombing in the same context. So Al, stop twisting.doh rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 9, 2011 10:43 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
Try reading this from THE BBC






grin cheers
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Feb 9, 2011 10:46 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
SilverBirch: It's 5:30 AM where you (/ Al,.. ) are/????? So I'm sure you speak with a clear head. We are and have been talking about the Israeli-Palestine debacle. You compared the Zionist bombing with Palestine bombing, And you compared suicide bombing in the same context. So Al, stop twisting.



rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

Fcts do baffle you S B and the Name is as it says PATMAC no one else but then again with your point of view you must have so many folk who laugh and enjoy your fragile attempts at PROPAGANDA ....grin cheers
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Feb 9, 2011 10:48 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
SilverBirch: How many suicide bombers in Israel the last five years? NONE

How many slaughtered by the IDF in the last five years???4200.

HOw many were slaughtered by IDF bombs???? 2000.

geT YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT PAT
Al, I said "within the last five years" get your facts straight doh

geesh???comfort comfort
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Feb 9, 2011 10:50 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
patmac: Fcts do baffle you S B and the Name is as it says PATMAC no one else but then again with your point of view you must have so many folk who laugh and enjoy your fragile attempts at PROPAGANDA ....
Al, your not fooling anyone. rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing comfort
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Feb 9, 2011 10:52 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
Own up to it Al, Netanyahu and the IDF are in a vicious killing frenzy and you know it.

4500 Palestines in five years

vs

78 Israeli

barf
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Feb 9, 2011 10:59 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
Again they run with presented with the facts.sad flower
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Feb 9, 2011 11:05 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
SilverBirch: Again they run with presented with the facts.


Nope, just laughing at you as every time you lose the argument you try to call me by someone else's name....


I have pointed out time and time again that SYRIA,JORDAN,ISRAEL and EGYPT all grabbed land in 48 after the war that Palestinians claimed as theirs but refused to sign the treaty for.

And yet all you do is "BLAME THE JEW"

Blame ALL not just the faction you so clearly detest ....


As always JMO

grin cheers
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Feb 10, 2011 1:54 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch: Again they run with presented with the facts.



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Feb 10, 2011 1:59 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
SilverBirch: Again they run with presented with the facts.


Run? Sorry Sh, we're just sort of bored as you haven't presented anything that has substance worth responding to. We do appreciate the mangling of the English language though. You must've dropped your phrasebook in the mosque. doh
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Feb 10, 2011 3:37 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
SilverBirch: Again they run with presented with the facts.


You are correct S B it has een 5 hours since you posted your comment ant yes you got it right I placed facts and you ran grin cheers
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Feb 10, 2011 3:43 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac: You are correct S B it has een 5 hours since you posted your comment ant yes you got it right I placed facts and you ran





and do they!wow
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