Middle East Peace Plan ( Locked) (490)

Feb 4, 2011 10:26 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
think they all went to Egypt to kind of "blend in with the crowd"confused dunno conversing
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 4, 2011 10:27 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch: I need a good argument!! Where the heck are those guys!!!
Sorry, none of them gives a good argument. You are too generous tonight, mate!!laugh
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 4, 2011 10:31 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch: Fake it till you make it!!!
Exactly, and it is not difficult at all given the general beliefs cheers
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 4, 2011 10:34 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch: think they all went to Egypt to kind of "blend in with the crowd"
Wow!! they would be trembling under their hotel beds by seeing the "savage Muslims" -the object of their obssession and fears- all pissed off. cheers laugh
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 4, 2011 10:42 PM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
Antjo39: Wow!! they would be trembling under their hotel beds by seeing the "savage Muslims" -the object of their obssession and fears- all pissed off.
"The Times, They Are A Changing !!!!!idea
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 12:25 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Paldi5: Sholom + Salaam = Peace

Hmmmmm.... so the Rabbis and the Imams get together and shake hands?


doubt it as it is a bit more complex than a simple religious difference. Some Israelis are not Jewish and some Arabs are not Muslim so, this reasoning is pretty facetious.
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 1:14 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Paldi5: Sholom + Salaam = Peace



Hmmmmm.... so the Rabbis and the Imams get together and shake hands?


Don't know but the site you linked to said on it's front page headline "We are Jews and Muslims United to Revert Israel into an Islamic State "

I doubt that all Rabbis will agree with that but certainly all Imams would. Add a few guns, some suicide bombings, a few declarations of jihad and take on a policy of eradicating the state of Israel and the murder of all Israelis to meet this mission statement and you pretty much have a normal real world situation going on.
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 1:55 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
Albertaghost: Don't know but the site you linked to said on it's front page headline "We are Jews and Muslims United to Revert Israel into an Islamic State "

I doubt that all Rabbis will agree with that but certainly all Imams would. Add a few guns, some suicide bombings, a few declarations of jihad and take on a policy of eradicating the state of Israel and the murder of all Israelis to meet this mission statement and you pretty much have a normal real world situation going on.
Just had a look at that Site!
They've got to be kidding!rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 1:57 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
Conrad73: Just had a look at that Site!
They've got to be kidding!
The One-State Solution in a different Package!doh rolling on the floor laughing
Wonder how much Colonel Muammar is donating to that Site!grin
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 3:45 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
The Reply

Here is my response:
Dear Gaza resident,
Your email touched me as sincere even though your accusations are wrong. I am not the enemy of Arabs and I assure you that I love my original culture and people. What makes me different is that I do not only love Arabs, but I also love the Jewish people. I am speaking my conscience. I respect their right to live in peace in their tiny homeland, Israel. I understand how that could be puzzling and unbelievable to many Arabs, to love both Jews and Arabs.
We Arabs have suffered from an unnatural and consistent indoctrination into Islamic supremacy and Jew hatred for over 1400 years. Thus it has become unfathomable to the Arab mind to comprehend loving both Arabs and Jews and wishing both well. Our culture has deprived us for many centuries from loving all of humanity as equals, through intense religious indoctrination resulting in self-imposed isolation and non-integration with other cultures. This isolation and jihad against non-Muslims has become increasingly difficult to maintain. Muslims everywhere are trying desperately to save face, reform Islam’s image and deny the undeniable. But they also want to have their cake and eat it too. While they are telling the world Islam is a religion of peace, they still want to continue with the jihad against non-Muslim countries. While one leader says, let’s kill all the Jews and take over Rome, another says to Western media that Islam is a religion of peace and we are deeply offended by the anti-Islam rhetoric. To play his sick game, Muslim culture must live a dysfunctional double life where everyone is deceived, including Muslims.
Thus to do the kind of jihad that Bin Laden, Ahmadinejad, Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, Assad, Nasser, Saudi jihadists etc, do and which is dictated by Sharia, Muslims find it hard to be honest. Thus, Muslims must claim victimhood in order to justify jihad. The entire Muslim world is using your people, the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza, to justify their jihad against not only Israel, but also all non-Muslim countries. That includes Iran, which supports Hamas and Hezbollah.
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 3:46 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
Your people in Gaza should have realized this game a long time ago, but you refuse to see and be open about who is your true oppressor. Arab and Muslim media is using and abusing your people in order to justify their Islamic jihad around the world. That is why they never want to resolve your problem and want you to suffer and live in constant terror against Israel.
Under Islamic law, non-Muslim countries are never equal to Muslim countries and actually their sovereignty as a non-Muslim nation must always be challenged by Islamic jihad. Islamic law codified jihad as a permanent war with non-Muslims to establish the religion. Muslims thus have to use Taquiyya, lies, to legitimize their aggression on Israel and the West. That is why Muslim countries can never abandon the constant hate propaganda, lies and misinformation about Israel and the West. If that ends, their jihad ends. The UN must be constantly bombarded by complaints from Arab countries against Israel. The Arab street must be constantly bombarded with ridiculous accusations and Zionist conspiracies. Lately on Syrian TV a Syrian intellectual accused Israel of stealing human organs in Haiti while they were helping them after the earthquake. This is not something new; it started in the 7th century, when the prophet Mohammed accused the Jews of treason to justify killing and expelling them and taking over their wealth. To explain this away, he stated that Jews are worthy of this treatment since they are the descendants of apes pigs and enemies of Allah. Muslims still use the same dynamic and the world still falls for it every time.
The Arab mind was trained to never venture outside of the box of Islamic superiority, and that prevented us from treating the rest of humanity as equals. It is alien to Muslim preachers today to preach love to all of humanity and wishing non-Muslims the same human rights as Muslims. I have never heard that from a Muslim preacher.
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 3:48 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
Only after 9/11 and in the West today, do we see some Muslim preachers trying to preach some Western values and engage in interfaith dialogue, in order to rehabilitate the image of Islam in the West and attract more converts.
I often get mail from secular Muslims who ask me: I can understand that you chose to leave Islam, but how can you support the Jews? I get mail like this because, in the Muslim mindset, loving, accepting and feeling good about Jews or Christians and thinking of them as equals, is unthinkable and an act of treason to Islam itself and even worse. It is as though the whole religion of Islam is dedicated to hating and killing Jews.
After centuries of this kind of education, the Muslim world produced a dysfunctional society, unable to relate to the rest of the world. While wanting to convince the world they are a religion of peace, do not be afraid of Islam, they are still hell-bent on conquering the world for Islam. That is Islam’s dilemma today.
What I, and a few others, are trying to do is to bring the truth to both Muslims and non-Muslims to finally face this sick game. We want to encourage Arabs to look at Jews and others as human beings and not as enemies to conquer. What kind of God will tell his followers to kill more than half of humanity if they don’t submit to Islam? The Muslim world today is a disaster waiting to happen. Ahmadinejad, who is not an Arab, wants to continue the Islamic jihad against Jews by destroying Israel. I have news to especially the Left in Europe and America: Islamic jihad will not end with Israel; you will be next.
To my email writer: in your letter to me, I have noticed that your outlook on life is pessimistic describing it as short and meaningless pride. Your views are prevalent in Muslim culture and I have heard it thousands of times when I lived in the Middle East. I remember even when we laughed and giggled as young girls, we were immediately silenced as being improper and that Allah somehow does not like us to laughing for no reason or in public. Even a heartfelt laugh to a Muslim was not going to get you friends, but critics. Your message to me and to Muslims is that life on earth will not get us happiness and the only escape from such misery is the everlasting happiness in the pleasures of Allah’s paradise after dying in jihad. But why take the Jews with us? They want to live and enjoy life and to make the earth, right here, a better place.
Our rejection of life is not a coincidence: since jihad does not value life, then it must value death. The first casualty of the jihad principle is peace and that is why I never learned peace as a value in Gaza. I have never heard a peaceful song in Arabic. To think of peace with the Jews is equal to treason to Islam. Rejection of peace has detrimental consequences to the healthy functioning of the Arab personality, family, society and the whole region. It is not a coincidence that Saudis reject under the law any celebration of Valentine’s Day, reject celebrating love between a man and a woman, teaching peace and compassion to their children towards the others. Just look at our Islamic law books and see the most cruel and unusual punishments ever created in any culture on earth. Only a culture that demands war and terror can promote such cruelty.
As to your question about hating my father, again I want to assure you that I adore and respect my father more than all of the people of Gaza. Actually I love him and wish him heaven not because he killed Jews, but because he was a good human being who was respected by many including the Israeli soldiers who killed him. He was known even to Israel as a cut above his peers and had integrity and honor. My father was the victim of the blood-thirsty culture of death all around him. He is one of the many thousands and even millions of victims of the jihad ideology, practiced over the last 1400 years.
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 3:49 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
Dear Gaza resident, yes, I cannot blame the Jewish people, or the government of Israel, for what you call the ‘misery’ of the Palestinians. I can only blame Arab and Islamic culture which used and abused you and which you allowed. I believe that this is an Arab self-inflicted crisis that has nothing to do with Israel.
Arab education has never told us the truth about the Israeli people and the story from their side and what Jerusalem means to them. We were told that Jerusalem was a Muslim city simply because Mohammed dreamt one night that he went to the farthest mosque but he never mentioned Jerusalem. The Koran never mentioned Jerusalem, which is mentioned hundreds of times in the Bible as the heart and soul of the Jewish people. We as Muslims never respected other religions holy cites and always claimed them to Islam; even Spain and India are being claimed as Muslim land. It was the tradition of Muslim conquerors to convert churches and temples to mosques and that is exactly what happened to the Jewish Temple Mount when 100 years after the prophet Mohammed died, Muslim conquerors built the mosque right on top of it. Just imagine if Jews or Christians had built a temple on top of the Kaaba in Mecca. This is how Islam has treated the Jews. It is time for Muslims to seek redemption and forgiveness and to extend the hand of reconciliation and peace to the Jewish people.
Nonie Darwish
Author: Cruel and Usual Punishment; the terrifying global implications of Islamic law.




Well the world works on YIN and YANG grin cheers
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 4:20 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
patmac: Dear Gaza resident, yes, I cannot blame the Jewish people, or the government of Israel, for what you call the ‘misery’ of the Palestinians. I can only blame Arab and Islamic culture which used and abused you and which you allowed. I believe that this is an Arab self-inflicted crisis that has nothing to do with Israel.
Arab education has never told us the truth about the Israeli people and the story from their side and what Jerusalem means to them. We were told that Jerusalem was a Muslim city simply because Mohammed dreamt one night that he went to the farthest mosque but he never mentioned Jerusalem. The Koran never mentioned Jerusalem, which is mentioned hundreds of times in the Bible as the heart and soul of the Jewish people. We as Muslims never respected other religions holy cites and always claimed them to Islam; even Spain and India are being claimed as Muslim land. It was the tradition of Muslim conquerors to convert churches and temples to mosques and that is exactly what happened to the Jewish Temple Mount when 100 years after the prophet Mohammed died, Muslim conquerors built the mosque right on top of it. Just imagine if Jews or Christians had built a temple on top of the Kaaba in Mecca. This is how Islam has treated the Jews. It is time for Muslims to seek redemption and forgiveness and to extend the hand of reconciliation and peace to the Jewish people.
Nonie Darwish
Author: Cruel and Usual Punishment; the terrifying global implications of Islamic law.

Well the world works on YIN and YANG
Fellow sure speaking the Truth!
Just so sad how many westerners have been duped by the Islamist Propaganda-Machine!frustrated
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 4:28 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
Conrad73: Fellow sure speaking the Truth!
Just so sad how many westerners have been duped by the Islamist Propaganda-Machine!
Hope they consider what they let themselves into!




Read some of the Comments!
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 8:36 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
You guys go to a ZOG rally or what? Whats a guy gotta do to get a good argument around here?
Come on Al wheres the "Hamas Charter" thing, or Pat yell at me to answer something,.. Wow, just yell,..anything!!moping Wow? sigh
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 8:58 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
SilverBirch: You guys go to a ZOG rally or what? Whats a guy gotta do to get a good argument around here?
Come on Al wheres the "Hamas Charter" thing, or Pat yell at me to answer something,.. Wow, just yell,..anything!! Wow?


Seems the others are exhausted, or were invited to a meet up at Jews for Jesus.

Enjoy the silence.

Peace is usually short-lived.

Fred
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 9:03 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
Paldi5: Seems the others are exhausted, or were invited to a meet up at Jews for Jesus.

Enjoy the silence.

Peace is usually short-lived.

Fred
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing Why does that black car keep driving by my place, real slowly??help "Up up with people!" There's people wherever you go!
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 9:21 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
So with the events in Egypt there seems to be a shift away from harmony with Israel and toward a unified Arab community united in support of their Palestine brothers. Does this impact the hard-line, beyond reproach position Netanyahu has maintained thus far?confused
------ This thread is Locked ------
Feb 5, 2011 10:38 AM CST Middle East Peace Plan
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
SilverBirch: So with the events in Egypt there seems to be a shift away from harmony with Israel and toward a unified Arab community united in support of their Palestine brothers. Does this impact the hard-line, beyond reproach position Netanyahu has maintained thus far?



I think that the issue of Egypt still remain in question. Mubarak's Interior ministry chief today said the the country is 'returning to normlacy'. Mubarak is still in the Presidency.
I see lines of protestors going thru Army check points.....being search for weapons...and as much as the world has placed pressure on the 80 year old Mubarak to resign....he remains.

The Army still acts at his command. If he get control of the riot police and the gov't supporters that causing the majority of the violence.....he could come out of this smelling like a the proverbial rose.

It will soon get hot on those streets of Cairo. And then will
street protester assemble or seek shade, air conditioning and tea?
------ This thread is Locked ------
Post Comment - Post a comment on this Forum Thread

This Thread is locked

This Thread is locked by Staff and does not allow replies.

« Go back to All Threads
Message #316

Share this Thread

We use cookies to ensure that you have the best experience possible on our website. Read Our Privacy Policy Here