Middle East Peace Plan (490)
Paldi5: Mickey Mousad got me with the Paldiauxnet cirus.
You might have got a new Version of "HAL"!
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Paldi5: I clicked on your link and got the "proposed solution" as follows:
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@peace-now.skinworld.ca and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request
I'm curious now. What did the link say when it was working?
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@peace-now.skinworld.ca and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request
I'm curious now. What did the link say when it was working?
I got the same thing Paldi! That's a good one!
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Conrad73: You might have got a new Version of "HAL"!
So Conrad...enlighten us on what the link says!
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Colleene1024: So Conrad...enlighten us on what the link says!
Beats me!Fred broke it before I got to it!
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Conrad73: Beats me!
Fred broke it before I got to it!
Fred broke it before I got to it!
Fred! that's not nice! How could you break the link on me! 
That's Naughty! 
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Where the hell is AL when ya want him....
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Colleene1024: Where the hell is AL when ya want him....
I looked up the host site - skinworld.ca and discovered the following bad news.
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So... where is Al? Gobbled up? He always said there was more than one way to skin a cat. (Just kidding - I'm sure he's fine.)
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Feel free to join in. Providing you can stop the cycle of blame.
Proposed Solution.
Send each side equal weapons and make bets with a bookie ...
Proposed Solution.
Send each side equal weapons and make bets with a bookie ...
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jvaski: Feel free to join in. Providing you can stop the cycle of blame.
Proposed Solution.
Send each side equal weapons and make bets with a bookie ...
Proposed Solution.
Send each side equal weapons and make bets with a bookie ...
Ah yes, the so called "zero sum" last man standing solution. (Except the gun makers and suppliers make a fortune.)
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Paldi5: I clicked on your link and got the "proposed solution" as follows:
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@peace-now.skinworld.ca and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request
I'm curious now. What did the link say when it was working?
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@peace-now.skinworld.ca and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request
I'm curious now. What did the link say when it was working?
It was a complete social network set up to discuss the peace plan proposed complete with blogs, gallery, down and upload capability and chat that nobody wanted to use. Since then, it was overtaken with spammers who injected adware and such. If you wish, I will take the ten or so hours and clean it up, have google go over it to verify that it is in fact spam free however, if you are not going to use it I won't bother.
So, if you are curious and, want to participate in something larger than this forum that might actually go somewhere and, will put some time into it I will do the work.
Let me know. Until then, you can go to this one theglobalist.ca
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Paldi5: Ah yes, the so called "zero sum" last man standing solution. (Except the gun makers and suppliers make a fortune.)
Interesting. The first is zero sum then, for no reason, you go anti zero sum by introducing a third entity to make it non zero sum.
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Albertaghost: Interesting. The first is zero sum then, for no reason, you go anti zero sum by introducing a third entity to make it non zero sum.
Well at first glance having each side outfitted with equal weapons seemed zero sum if they both murder each other.
But if one was slow on the draw then the other would be the winner. (Not zero sum, but last man standing wins all.)
If they both killed each other off or one survives there is still the supplier of the weapons to consider. He wins too.
Guns ain't cheap! He wins no matter what.
Maybe something to consider when one looks at the military aid the US gives to Egypt and Israel, and the big arms sale recently announced with Saudi Arabia. The American defence industry needs the business. They are the true winners.
All right, I'm being sarcastic and funny - but 'my tax dollars at work' gives me a pass.
Fred
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Paldi5: Well at first glance having each side outfitted with equal weapons seemed zero sum if they both murder each other.
But if one was slow on the draw then the other would be the winner. (Not zero sum, but last man standing wins all.)
If they both killed each other off or one survives there is still the supplier of the weapons to consider. He wins too.
Guns ain't cheap! He wins no matter what.
Maybe something to consider when one looks at the military aid the US gives to Egypt and Israel, and the big arms sale recently announced with Saudi Arabia. The American defence industry needs the business. They are the true winners.
All right, I'm being sarcastic and funny - but 'my tax dollars at work' gives me a pass.
Fred
Stop paying Taxes!But if one was slow on the draw then the other would be the winner. (Not zero sum, but last man standing wins all.)
If they both killed each other off or one survives there is still the supplier of the weapons to consider. He wins too.
Guns ain't cheap! He wins no matter what.
Maybe something to consider when one looks at the military aid the US gives to Egypt and Israel, and the big arms sale recently announced with Saudi Arabia. The American defence industry needs the business. They are the true winners.
All right, I'm being sarcastic and funny - but 'my tax dollars at work' gives me a pass.
Fred
All sorts of People on Capitol Hill did!
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Speaking more of the scenarios.
Equally armed foes might get to MAD. (MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION) and not use their weapons. The may sign a peace treaty.
One of the foes may launch a PREEMPTIVE ATTACK and win, assuming he gets the other guy before he can light the fuse on the SAMSON OPTION and get the preemptor guy.
The two sides could engage upon a WAR OF ATTRITION and wear each other down until the cost in lives and weapons becomes too great and they both make peace out of exhaustion, sorrow and financial ruin.
The Gun supplier wins every time.
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OH, regarding the "humble peace plan" - I think if Israel fortified the separation barrier and made it essentially impregnable, plus added the Iron Dome defense you can survive with a land exchange. (To be fair the barrier should be moved to the Green Line.) The mutual trust can come later and if the "Saudi Plan" is implemented at the same time as the "Humble Plan", perhaps sooner. Call it the HUMBLE SAUDI PLAN (HSP).
A stable government on the Palestinian side requires UN Security Council recognition of the Pal state and progress on Fayyed's work on setting up the institutions needed. He's trying for September of this year.
Palestine won't sell their land to Israel even at a 130 percent premium. They may sell it to the settlers for a premium or collect above-market rents until the Settlers leave and go back across the border. Any sale to settlers requires they agree to accept Palestinian sovereignty and citizenship.
I haven't figured out what to do with the 6 million Palestinian refugees.
Equally armed foes might get to MAD. (MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION) and not use their weapons. The may sign a peace treaty.
One of the foes may launch a PREEMPTIVE ATTACK and win, assuming he gets the other guy before he can light the fuse on the SAMSON OPTION and get the preemptor guy.
The two sides could engage upon a WAR OF ATTRITION and wear each other down until the cost in lives and weapons becomes too great and they both make peace out of exhaustion, sorrow and financial ruin.
The Gun supplier wins every time.
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OH, regarding the "humble peace plan" - I think if Israel fortified the separation barrier and made it essentially impregnable, plus added the Iron Dome defense you can survive with a land exchange. (To be fair the barrier should be moved to the Green Line.) The mutual trust can come later and if the "Saudi Plan" is implemented at the same time as the "Humble Plan", perhaps sooner. Call it the HUMBLE SAUDI PLAN (HSP).
A stable government on the Palestinian side requires UN Security Council recognition of the Pal state and progress on Fayyed's work on setting up the institutions needed. He's trying for September of this year.
Palestine won't sell their land to Israel even at a 130 percent premium. They may sell it to the settlers for a premium or collect above-market rents until the Settlers leave and go back across the border. Any sale to settlers requires they agree to accept Palestinian sovereignty and citizenship.
I haven't figured out what to do with the 6 million Palestinian refugees.
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Paldi5: Speaking more of the scenarios.
Equally armed foes might get to MAD. (MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION) and not use their weapons. The may sign a peace treaty.
One of the foes may launch a PREEMPTIVE ATTACK and win, assuming he gets the other guy before he can light the fuse on the SAMSON OPTION and get the preemptor guy.
The two sides could engage upon a WAR OF ATTRITION and wear each other down until the cost in lives and weapons becomes too great and they both make peace out of exhaustion, sorrow and financial ruin.
The Gun supplier wins every time.
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OH, regarding the "humble peace plan" - I think if Israel fortified the separation barrier and made it essentially impregnable, plus added the Iron Dome defense you can survive with a land exchange. (To be fair the barrier should be moved to the Green Line.) The mutual trust can come later and if the "Saudi Plan" is implemented at the same time as the "Humble Plan", perhaps sooner. Call it the HUMBLE SAUDI PLAN (HSP).
A stable government on the Palestinian side requires UN Security Council recognition of the Pal state and progress on Fayyed's work on setting up the institutions needed. He's trying for September of this year.
Palestine won't sell their land to Israel even at a 130 percent premium. They may sell it to the settlers for a premium or collect above-market rents until the Settlers leave and go back across the border. Any sale to settlers requires they agree to accept Palestinian sovereignty and citizenship.
I haven't figured out what to do with the 6 million Palestinian refugees.
What 6 million?Equally armed foes might get to MAD. (MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION) and not use their weapons. The may sign a peace treaty.
One of the foes may launch a PREEMPTIVE ATTACK and win, assuming he gets the other guy before he can light the fuse on the SAMSON OPTION and get the preemptor guy.
The two sides could engage upon a WAR OF ATTRITION and wear each other down until the cost in lives and weapons becomes too great and they both make peace out of exhaustion, sorrow and financial ruin.
The Gun supplier wins every time.
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OH, regarding the "humble peace plan" - I think if Israel fortified the separation barrier and made it essentially impregnable, plus added the Iron Dome defense you can survive with a land exchange. (To be fair the barrier should be moved to the Green Line.) The mutual trust can come later and if the "Saudi Plan" is implemented at the same time as the "Humble Plan", perhaps sooner. Call it the HUMBLE SAUDI PLAN (HSP).
A stable government on the Palestinian side requires UN Security Council recognition of the Pal state and progress on Fayyed's work on setting up the institutions needed. He's trying for September of this year.
Palestine won't sell their land to Israel even at a 130 percent premium. They may sell it to the settlers for a premium or collect above-market rents until the Settlers leave and go back across the border. Any sale to settlers requires they agree to accept Palestinian sovereignty and citizenship.
I haven't figured out what to do with the 6 million Palestinian refugees.
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Conrad73: What 6 million?
Here's one source. The definition of "refugee" is different depending who you ask - I guess it depends on what your definition of what is is.
Palestinians worldwide reach 11 million: report 30.12.2010 17:18
The number of Palestinians in the world reaches 11 million, a report said Thursday.
More than half of the Palestinians live outside the Palestinian territories, according to the report released by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, Xinhua reported.
Inside the Palestinian territories, there are 4.1 million Palestinians, 2.5 million of whom live in the West Bank and 1.6 million live in the Gaza Strip, the report said.
In Israel, there are 1.4 million Palestinians. In the Arab countries, there are about five million Palestinians. About 600, 000 Palestinians live in other foreign countries.
The demographic factor has always been at the central of Israeli-Palestinian conflict. By the end of 2010, 5.5 million Palestinians live in the Palestinian territories and Israel while the number of Israelis in the region is 5.7 million, according to the report.
The Palestinians hope to declare their statehood on the lands that Israel has occupied in 1967. Israel and the United States said that the Palestinian state should come through negotiated solution which was halted in September when Israel resumed building settlements in the West Bank.
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Paldi5:
The Gun supplier wins every time.
The Gun supplier wins every time.
The gun supplier already won be there a conflict or not as sales during a battle don't occur - they occur prior hence the gun dealer has zip to gain during a n active hot war unless it goes on and on and on which is unlikely in this case given the close proximity of the two beligerents.
Paldi5:
Palestine won't sell their land to Israel even at a 130 percent premium. They may sell it to the settlers for a premium or collect above-market rents until the Settlers leave and go back across the border. Any sale to settlers requires they agree to accept Palestinian sovereignty and citizenship.
As stated, it would be under the auspices of the three entities aka 'Troika' so yes, those purchasing the land would know this and accept it.
I haven't figured out what to do with the 6 million Palestinian refugees.
Palestine won't sell their land to Israel even at a 130 percent premium. They may sell it to the settlers for a premium or collect above-market rents until the Settlers leave and go back across the border. Any sale to settlers requires they agree to accept Palestinian sovereignty and citizenship.
As stated, it would be under the auspices of the three entities aka 'Troika' so yes, those purchasing the land would know this and accept it.
I haven't figured out what to do with the 6 million Palestinian refugees.
Funny, the PA and Hamas know exactly what to do with the five million Israelis. However, like any other country and people they come and go and when the opportunity is right, they can all come home. Just like the Israelis did.
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Paldi5:
The Palestinians hope to declare their statehood on the lands that Israel has occupied in 1967. Israel and the United States said that the Palestinian state should come through negotiated solution which was halted in September when Israel resumed building settlements in the West Bank.
The Palestinians hope to declare their statehood on the lands that Israel has occupied in 1967. Israel and the United States said that the Palestinian state should come through negotiated solution which was halted in September when Israel resumed building settlements in the West Bank.
Yes any excuse to stop peace was a good one I suppose. Sham on Israel for allowing the building and shame on the Palestinians to use this as a pretext to nix the process.
In any case, how many Palestinians want to declare their statehood on the lands that Arabs have occupied since 1948 like Syria, Jordan and Egypt?
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Albertaghost: The gun supplier already won be there a conflict or not as sales during a battle don't occur - they occur prior hence the gun dealer has zip to gain during an active hot war unless it goes on and on and on which is unlikely in this case given the close proximity of the two belligerents.
Funny, the PA and Hamas know exactly what to do with the five million Israelis. However, like any other country and people they come and go and when the opportunity is right, they can all come home. Just like the Israelis did.
Funny, the PA and Hamas know exactly what to do with the five million Israelis. However, like any other country and people they come and go and when the opportunity is right, they can all come home. Just like the Israelis did.
A lot of Arabs have the keys to grandmoms house in Tel Aviv, Haifa, etc. They pass them down through their families, so they never forget.
Someday a thread will discuss the complicated question... are the Jews safer in Israel or is diversification-diaspora the better safer way to go? Ten hydrogen bombs and it's over for 5 million Israelis. Doesn't much matter if they hold on to Ariel or the Jordan valley. Those bombs are monsters, not to mention fallout. Survivors would all have to go.
Fred
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Mickey Mousad got me with the Paldiauxnet cirus.