Middle East Peace Plan (490)
patmac: Dear Gaza resident, yes, I cannot blame the Jewish people, or the government of Israel, for what you call the ‘misery’ of the Palestinians. I can only blame Arab and Islamic culture which used and abused you and which you allowed. I believe that this is an Arab self-inflicted crisis that has nothing to do with Israel.
Arab education has never told us the truth about the Israeli people and the story from their side and what Jerusalem means to them. We were told that Jerusalem was a Muslim city simply because Mohammed dreamt one night that he went to the farthest mosque but he never mentioned Jerusalem. The Koran never mentioned Jerusalem, which is mentioned hundreds of times in the Bible as the heart and soul of the Jewish people. We as Muslims never respected other religions holy cites and always claimed them to Islam; even Spain and India are being claimed as Muslim land. It was the tradition of Muslim conquerors to convert churches and temples to mosques and that is exactly what happened to the Jewish Temple Mount when 100 years after the prophet Mohammed died, Muslim conquerors built the mosque right on top of it. Just imagine if Jews or Christians had built a temple on top of the Kaaba in Mecca. This is how Islam has treated the Jews. It is time for Muslims to seek redemption and forgiveness and to extend the hand of reconciliation and peace to the Jewish people.
Nonie Darwish
Author: Cruel and Usual Punishment; the terrifying global implications of Islamic law.
Well the world works on YIN and YANG
But this guy is disagreeing with your so broad-minded "theory" of the generalised blame of many. How do you support this then? Start correcting him (he is only blaming the Arabs) and telling him about your genial way to defend Israel.. this one is getting a little bit one-sided and openly Anti-arab (at least less hypocritical than you I have to acknowledge) for sure.Arab education has never told us the truth about the Israeli people and the story from their side and what Jerusalem means to them. We were told that Jerusalem was a Muslim city simply because Mohammed dreamt one night that he went to the farthest mosque but he never mentioned Jerusalem. The Koran never mentioned Jerusalem, which is mentioned hundreds of times in the Bible as the heart and soul of the Jewish people. We as Muslims never respected other religions holy cites and always claimed them to Islam; even Spain and India are being claimed as Muslim land. It was the tradition of Muslim conquerors to convert churches and temples to mosques and that is exactly what happened to the Jewish Temple Mount when 100 years after the prophet Mohammed died, Muslim conquerors built the mosque right on top of it. Just imagine if Jews or Christians had built a temple on top of the Kaaba in Mecca. This is how Islam has treated the Jews. It is time for Muslims to seek redemption and forgiveness and to extend the hand of reconciliation and peace to the Jewish people.
Nonie Darwish
Author: Cruel and Usual Punishment; the terrifying global implications of Islamic law.
Well the world works on YIN and YANG
IN summary: what a load of crap..
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Antjo39: But this guy is disagreeing with your so broad-minded "theory" of the generalised blame of many. How do you support this then? Start correcting him (he is only blaming the Arabs) and telling him about your genial way to defend Israel.. this one is getting a little bit one-sided and openly Anti-arab (at least less hypocritical than you I have to acknowledge) for sure.
IN summary: what a load of crap..
IN summary: what a load of crap..
Keep in mind the source publication:
FrontPage Magazine
David Horowitz, Editor-in-Chief
There was a link I posted a while back to a speach given by a female professor who is tenured at (as I recall) he University of Tel Aviv. She "changed sides" and is a strong supporter of the Palistinians cause despite the sad fact that her daughter was killed buy an Arab suicide bomber.
It's good to know people are reaching out to each other and attempting to shake the trees.
Fred
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It's all about history people! Bonnie Prince Charles is proof of it!
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Antjo39: But this guy is disagreeing with your so broad-minded "theory" of the generalised blame of many. How do you support this then? Start correcting him (he is only blaming the Arabs) and telling him about your genial way to defend Israel.. this one is getting a little bit one-sided and openly Anti-arab (at least less hypocritical than you I have to acknowledge) for sure.
IN summary: what a load of crap..
IN summary: what a load of crap..
One blaming one side just like you, Silverbirch and Paldi.
Yes, what a load of crap.
Now, first off, it's not a guy but an Egyptian woman who is a world renowned human rights activist so, you have that wrong. Second, she is not anti Arab but is anti repression. Third, how about addressing the actual points within the article or is that beyond your abilities seeing as how you seem to show up on threads with guys who cannot or will not answer questions and yourself having a rep for sidetracking every point into obfuscation.
You can read about her here;
Paldi5: Keep in mind the source publication:
FrontPage Magazine
David Horowitz, Editor-in-Chief
There was a link I posted a while back to a speach given by a female professor who is tenured at (as I recall) he University of Tel Aviv. She "changed sides" and is a strong supporter of the Palistinians cause despite the sad fact that her daughter was killed buy an Arab suicide bomber.
It's good to know people are reaching out to each other and attempting to shake the trees.
Fred
FrontPage Magazine
David Horowitz, Editor-in-Chief
There was a link I posted a while back to a speach given by a female professor who is tenured at (as I recall) he University of Tel Aviv. She "changed sides" and is a strong supporter of the Palistinians cause despite the sad fact that her daughter was killed buy an Arab suicide bomber.
It's good to know people are reaching out to each other and attempting to shake the trees.
Fred
Keep in mind that they are only the messenger and she is the peaceful one who is the Egyptian human rights activist and world renowned author, peace and human rights activist and, says the same things be they published on this site or on her own sites.
Now, is it possible for you to address the actual points she brought up or is hiding and blaming the messenger the only counterpoint you have?
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Albertaghost: One blaming one side just like you, Silverbirch and Paldi.
Yes, what a load of crap.
Now, first off, it's not a guy but an Egyptian woman who is a world renowned human rights activist so, you have that wrong. Second, she is not anti Arab but is anti repression. Third, how about addressing the actual points within the article or is that beyond your abilities seeing as how you seem to show up on threads with guys who cannot or will not answer questions and yourself having a rep for sidetracking every point into obfuscation.
You can read about her here;
Keep in mind that they are only the messenger and she is the peaceful one who is the Egyptian human rights activist and world renowned author, peace and human rights activist and, says the same things be they published on this site or on her own sites.
Now, is it possible for you to address the actual points she brought up or is hiding and blaming the messenger the only counterpoint you have?
Yes, what a load of crap.
Now, first off, it's not a guy but an Egyptian woman who is a world renowned human rights activist so, you have that wrong. Second, she is not anti Arab but is anti repression. Third, how about addressing the actual points within the article or is that beyond your abilities seeing as how you seem to show up on threads with guys who cannot or will not answer questions and yourself having a rep for sidetracking every point into obfuscation.
You can read about her here;
Keep in mind that they are only the messenger and she is the peaceful one who is the Egyptian human rights activist and world renowned author, peace and human rights activist and, says the same things be they published on this site or on her own sites.
Now, is it possible for you to address the actual points she brought up or is hiding and blaming the messenger the only counterpoint you have?
And my message was Yin and YANG I answered the post that was so Anti Israel with one that was Pro Israeli just to prove the Yin and Yang of my point and the message got through to some but not the fools who cannot see the point of my discussion
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patmac: And my message was Yin and YANG I answered the post that was so Anti Israel with one that was Pro Israeli just to prove the Yin and Yang of my point and the message got through to some but not the fools who cannot see the point of my discussion
Even ying and yang can be used for hypocrisy. 
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Antjo39: Even ying and yang can be used for hypocrisy.
You might. I don't need to the document spoke for itself if you read it.
Fault as I say lies with all and I have never varied that.
Now I know that gets up your nose but that has and always will be my point
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patmac: You might. I don't need to the document spoke for itself if you read it.
Fault as I say lies with all and I have never varied that.
Now I know that gets up your nose but that has and always will be my point
Spoke for itself what? Nobody is discussing the content of that panphlet. Fault as I say lies with all and I have never varied that.
Now I know that gets up your nose but that has and always will be my point
can you tells us specifically about the Zionist fault for example? Just to know...
I think you have to Come out of the bloody closet and stop this comedy.
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Antjo39: Spoke for itself what? Nobody is discussing the content of that panphlet.
can you tells us specifically about the Zionist fault for example? Just to know...
I think you have to Come out of the bloody closet and stop this comedy.
can you tells us specifically about the Zionist fault for example? Just to know...
I think you have to Come out of the bloody closet and stop this comedy.
Well you cannot be part of the discussion without reading all the points.
Shows how limited your understanding of what a debate is.
And as for the personal attacks charge ahead just proves your ignorance....
I repeat ALL FACTIONS HOLD BLAME no matter who posts and blames the "other side" with good documents it works both ways as ALL FACTIONS ARE GUILTY to some extent...And the documents shown prove it ..
Mine and only my way of saying all hold blame
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patmac: Well you cannot be part of the discussion without reading all the points.
Shows how limited your understanding of what a debate is.
And as for the personal attacks charge ahead just proves your ignorance....
I repeat ALL FACTIONS HOLD BLAME no matter who posts and blames the "other side" with good documents it works both ways as ALL FACTIONS ARE GUILTY to some extent...And the documents shown prove it ..
Mine and only my way of saying all hold blame
Shows how limited your understanding of what a debate is.
And as for the personal attacks charge ahead just proves your ignorance....
I repeat ALL FACTIONS HOLD BLAME no matter who posts and blames the "other side" with good documents it works both ways as ALL FACTIONS ARE GUILTY to some extent...And the documents shown prove it ..
Mine and only my way of saying all hold blame
Ido as well and add to your promoting to Antjo and his 'pack' that we have to consider all sides rather than just one.
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Albertaghost: Address her points please so that we can see what is beyond your prejudices.
As for personal attacks, if I recall, you have quite the history of that as well. Let's go back a scant twenty hours ago where you attacked me when I had not even posted. In fact, you said that my posts were not missed as they were not worthy of reading or something to that effect.
So, how about addressing wheat the woman said please instead of obfuscating the thread with your yin and yang.
As for personal attacks, if I recall, you have quite the history of that as well. Let's go back a scant twenty hours ago where you attacked me when I had not even posted. In fact, you said that my posts were not missed as they were not worthy of reading or something to that effect.
So, how about addressing wheat the woman said please instead of obfuscating the thread with your yin and yang.
my yin and yang? I did not come up with that in the first place but your comrade PatMac. I never say that I do not do personal attacks, I am just trying to avoid them with you because it gets too messy. I will start with just one thing I remarked from that document before: the statement that Israel state has nothign to do with the Palestinians plight. Well, I just do not admit that. Put it this way, it goes against my prejudices and goes well with yours.
You say, the information from the pro-Israeli apparatus or you-tube/Internet videos are the PROOF and the facts, and I say I know other information that goes exactly the opposite way.
You see, it is futile to argue and even go mean about this. However some people suffer becasue of a seemingly invisible bully, who is according to this article anything but not Israel.
If we could go beyond this first point, then I would continue talkign about this panphlet (not a serious academic document by the way) Or shoudl I quote Chomsky in order to show a Jew abhorred by Zionist atrocities, and then ask you to debunk him as well.
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Albertaghost: Ido as well and add to your promoting to Antjo and his 'pack' that we have to consider all sides rather than just one.
Well said and we can prove that all sides have at some point been the antagonists and defendants.
So easy and the hard part is making up your OWN mind as who is really causing the problem to go on.....
I know that might annoy some folk but that is the way I read it.
And I know who is after peace .....The vast majority of ordinary folk ....
As always JMO
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patmac: Well you cannot be part of the discussion without reading all the points.
Shows how limited your understanding of what a debate is.
And as for the personal attacks charge ahead just proves your ignorance....
I repeat ALL FACTIONS HOLD BLAME no matter who posts and blames the "other side" with good documents it works both ways as ALL FACTIONS ARE GUILTY to some extent...And the documents shown prove it ..
Mine and only my way of saying all hold blame
and within my ignorance and limited understanding, can you tell us about the degree of fault of all factions? Mr. Hypocritical. At least the others defend Israel openly.Shows how limited your understanding of what a debate is.
And as for the personal attacks charge ahead just proves your ignorance....
I repeat ALL FACTIONS HOLD BLAME no matter who posts and blames the "other side" with good documents it works both ways as ALL FACTIONS ARE GUILTY to some extent...And the documents shown prove it ..
Mine and only my way of saying all hold blame
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Antjo39: and within my ignorance and limited understanding, can you tell us about the degree of fault of all factions? Mr. Hypocritical. At least the others defend Israel openly.
Chomski,the selfhating Jew?
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Conrad73: Chomski,the selfhating Jew?
You see son? again Anti-zionist is equal to anti-Jewish as a tactic of defense of Zionism.. So Judaism started with "Der Juden Staat"?Be Serious, sonny.
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Antjo39: and within my ignorance and limited understanding, can you tell us about the degree of fault of all factions? Mr. Hypocritical. At least the others defend Israel openly.
Like I said already. READ THE DOCUMENTS POSTED.
You folk post them I read them and they all have some merit.
So that is where I get my information and I read it with an unbiased eye and get my facts and lots of FICTION from all posters ...
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patmac: Well said and we can prove that all sides have at some point been the antagonists and defendants.
So easy and the hard part is making up your OWN mind as who is really causing the problem to go on.....
I know that might annoy some folk but that is the way I read it.And I know who is after peace .....The vast majority of ordinary folk ....As always JMO
And there is an idea about that: the blamed Arab fundamentalism is making it endless, but a fundamentalism fed and prepared for years to extend the conflict for the benefit of the Zionism program. Or is it not funny that both go together so well? Strange eh?So easy and the hard part is making up your OWN mind as who is really causing the problem to go on.....
I know that might annoy some folk but that is the way I read it.And I know who is after peace .....The vast majority of ordinary folk ....As always JMO
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patmac: Like I said already. READ THE DOCUMENTS POSTED.You folk post them I read them and they all have some merit.
So that is where I get my information and I read it with an unbiased eye and get my facts and lots of FICTION from all posters ...
Dodging an answer? I do not need to read all posts because there is nothign about your gaseous hierarchy of fault in those... so again what is the degree of Zionist fault? PLEASE!!!!!!!So that is where I get my information and I read it with an unbiased eye and get my facts and lots of FICTION from all posters ...
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Antjo39: And there is an idea about that: the blamed Arab fundamentalism is making it endless, but a fundamentalism fed and prepared for years to extend the conflict for the benefit of the Zionism program. Or is it not funny that both go together so well? Strange eh?
So now you blame BOTH ....Good lad now you are starting to see the TRUE POINT .....
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Just so sad how many westerners have been duped by the Islamist Propaganda-Machine!