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I hope the crazies in the desert don't sweep in and take the country. I also hope the new leadership has a strong elected president who will work with the West to keep AlQaeida and the other terrorist groups at bay as well or better than the "two lions" did in their day.
Thanks for your thoughts and contribution to this thread.
Peace,
Fred
Thanks for your thoughts and contribution to this thread.
Peace,
Fred
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Paldi5: As Albertaghost said in a post here earlier (and I’m paraphrasing some here)
Democracy is not the majority going out and doing whatever its elected president wants, it's a system of checks and balances including a constitution and judicial system, geared toward promoting and protecting individual freedom, human rights, free press, a representative government and free open elections for leaders limited by term limits. In other words, it’s complicated. Democracy done right requires detailed instruction manuals and you will need a lot of help to use it well.
Good paraphrase- and below, the part I'd like to see emphasized in this particular thread:Democracy is not the majority going out and doing whatever its elected president wants, it's a system of checks and balances including a constitution and judicial system, geared toward promoting and protecting individual freedom, human rights, free press, a representative government and free open elections for leaders limited by term limits. In other words, it’s complicated. Democracy done right requires detailed instruction manuals and you will need a lot of help to use it well.
Democracy is not the majority going out and doing whatever its elected president wants. It's a system of checks and balances, including a constitution and judicial system, geared toward promoting and protecting individual freedom, human rights, free press, a representative government and free open elections for leaders limited by term limits.
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d_simple: he should sit down and let Libyans decide they only putting Libyans in high-speed that they are not ready to control now.
Absurd.The west can not stand and witness in silence while innocent demonstrators get massacred like animals by mercenaries.Libyans todays were asking the international community to intervene like happened in Jugoslavia in the 90's to avoid genocide.
You know why Africans are the poorest and most exploited population in the world ?
Because you have never had even the humility to study,learn and just copy those who live 10 times better than you ...
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d_simple: Gadaffi is a dictator yes but he is better than so many democratic leaders who keep stealing votes to stay in power. If we really want to get rid of dictators i will be ready to you you guys around Africa to show you to the real dangerous leaders under the DEMOCRAZZZZZZZZY rule.My president Omar al-Bashir of Sudan over 20 years in power under democratic government and see by your self the life of the Sudanese,Paul Biya of Cameroon is a democratic president for almost years now Cameroon is amount the poorest in the world is that what the demo-crazy means.See Idriss Derby of Tchad, Yadema family in Togo and let me just name these few.
Now tell me dictator ruling as a king and normal devil hiding under DEMO-CRAZZZZY who is the worst criminal.
Calling it "democrazzzy" rule over there may be fitting - I call it corruption in what was supposed to be a democracy.Now tell me dictator ruling as a king and normal devil hiding under DEMO-CRAZZZZY who is the worst criminal.
Even the few rich in Lagos, Nigeria can't count on steady electricity. Femi Kuti - a popular singer & activist, financially well-off, can't count on electricity when holding his free once-a-week concerts. And last year, had to cancel part of a tour w/the Dave Matthews band in parts of America & Canada, b/c he was ill with malaria. (You'd think someone with money would have access to anti-malaria meds. "The Shrine" in Lagos, where he holds concerts, often gets shut-down for bogus reasons by law enforcement, b/c he exposes their corruption.
Just over a year ago, Highly-educated professors, including women, in charge of utilities & other areas, were arrested, charged & later found guilty of corruption, & sentenced to prison. (I haven't followed the story since that time- so don't know if they actually ended up going to prison). [It is sad & sickening, that the most well-off put in positions of leadership, rob their own desperately poor country. As if they weren't blessed enough - how can they live with increasing the already great suffering there - just to give themselves more material goods & riches?<<< my own 2 cents worth- ]
At any rate, that is not a true democracy. I don't follow the news at all anymore over there, though last I remember, there was a decent president in failing health. But he & a handful of honest people couldn't do it alone. You have to have a system of checks and balances, which includes term limits of elected officials, with no one group, including the president, having absolute power.
In the U.S., it's 3 branches. Executive - the president, Legislative - law makers(Congress- representatives & senators-elected by the people in each state to represent their respective states), Judicial - Supreme court(w/appointed judges). No single branch has absolute power, not even the president - if it's felt the president has overstepped his boundaries & broken the law, he can be impeached, and if necessary, peacefully taken out of power. The executive & legislative branches are elected & have term limits of 2-4 years. The president is additionally limited to a maximum 2 terms of 4 yrs. each, with elections held every 4 yrs.(Maximum of 8 years in office).
(No 20-year term presidents in the U.S.- in fact, most U.S. presidents age so much during their terms, they wouldn't last 20 yrs. They aren't filthy rich & salary is not even close to most presidents of corporations.)
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SCatlyn: Good paraphrase- and below, the part I'd like to see emphasized in this particular thread:
Democracy is not the majority going out and doing whatever its elected president wants. It's a system of checks and balances, including a constitution and judicial system, geared toward promoting and protecting individual freedom, human rights, free press, a representative government and free open elections for leaders limited by term limits.
Democracy is not the majority going out and doing whatever its elected president wants. It's a system of checks and balances, including a constitution and judicial system, geared toward promoting and protecting individual freedom, human rights, free press, a representative government and free open elections for leaders limited by term limits.
ha ha, you have no idea how strange it is to find myself agreeing with Albert!
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Johnwain: Absurd.The west can not stand and witness in silence while innocent demonstrators get massacred like animals by mercenaries. Libyans today were asking the international community to intervene like happened in Jugoslavia in the 90's to avoid genocide.
You know why Africans are the poorest and most exploited population in the world?
Because you have never had even the humility to study, learn and just copy those who live 10 times better than you ...
You know why Africans are the poorest and most exploited population in the world?
Because you have never had even the humility to study, learn and just copy those who live 10 times better than you ...
I think his point is the people are stampeeding toward democracy and don't have a clue how to implement it or the infrastructure in place to run one. They will need a lot of time and halp getting there and in the mean time there is a power vacuum and a lot of oil sitting there for the taking. What is the way forward that is best for Libya. A new strong leader or a democracy of the crazy (inexperienced.)
I wonder if a dictator who loves his country could have lead his people to a democratic system of governance when he sees they truely want that, and avoid being overthrown before the cake is baked.
Gadaffy may have attempted to do that. He blames outsiders and AlQieda for fanning the demonstrators into a frenzy, even drugging them... and he tried, viciously, to combat the demonstrators and save himself, and his people. The mercenaries (whom he apparently hired) are going crazy and unseen outsiders are pulling their strings with the crowds. And a lot of fed up people want change and perhaps free lunches.
Gadaffy might have been successful in reaching a compromise and setting a calm way forward, but the difficulty of that given the events of Tunisia and Egypt on his borders, and his serious mistakes in dealing with the rebellion, were too much. Now it's too late. Now what?
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SCatlyn: Calling it "democrazzzy" rule over there may be fitting - I call it corruption in what was supposed to be a democracy.
Even the few rich in Lagos, Nigeria can't count on steady electricity. Femi Kuti - a popular singer & activist, financially well-off, can't count on electricity when holding his free once-a-week concerts. And last year, had to cancel part of a tour w/the Dave Matthews band in parts of America & Canada, b/c he was ill with malaria. (You'd think someone with money would have access to anti-malaria meds. "The Shrine" in Lagos, where he holds concerts, often gets shut-down for bogus reasons by law enforcement, b/c he exposes their corruption.
Just over a year ago, Highly-educated professors, including women, in charge of utilities & other areas, were arrested, charged & later found guilty of corruption, & sentenced to prison. (I haven't followed the story since that time- so don't know if they actually ended up going to prison). [It is sad & sickening, that the most well-off put in positions of leadership, rob their own desperately poor country. As if they weren't blessed enough - how can they live with increasing the already great suffering there - just to give themselves more material goods & riches?<<< my own 2 cents worth- ]
At any rate, that is not a true democracy. I don't follow the news at all anymore over there, though last I remember, there was a decent president in failing health. But he & a handful of honest people couldn't do it alone. You have to have a system of checks and balances, which includes term limits of elected officials, with no one group, including the president, having absolute power.
In the U.S., it's 3 branches. Executive - the president, Legislative - law makers(Congress- representatives & senators-elected by the people in each state to represent their respective states), Judicial - Supreme court(w/appointed judges). No single branch has absolute power, not even the president - if it's felt the president has overstepped his boundaries & broken the law, he can be impeached, and if necessary, peacefully taken out of power. The executive & legislative branches are elected & have term limits of 2-4 years. The president is additionally limited to a maximum 2 terms of 4 yrs. each, with elections held every 4 yrs.(Maximum of 8 years in office).
(No 20-year term presidents in the U.S.- in fact, most U.S. presidents age so much during their terms, they wouldn't last 20 yrs. They aren't filthy rich & salary is not even close to most presidents of corporations.)
Even the few rich in Lagos, Nigeria can't count on steady electricity. Femi Kuti - a popular singer & activist, financially well-off, can't count on electricity when holding his free once-a-week concerts. And last year, had to cancel part of a tour w/the Dave Matthews band in parts of America & Canada, b/c he was ill with malaria. (You'd think someone with money would have access to anti-malaria meds. "The Shrine" in Lagos, where he holds concerts, often gets shut-down for bogus reasons by law enforcement, b/c he exposes their corruption.
Just over a year ago, Highly-educated professors, including women, in charge of utilities & other areas, were arrested, charged & later found guilty of corruption, & sentenced to prison. (I haven't followed the story since that time- so don't know if they actually ended up going to prison). [It is sad & sickening, that the most well-off put in positions of leadership, rob their own desperately poor country. As if they weren't blessed enough - how can they live with increasing the already great suffering there - just to give themselves more material goods & riches?<<< my own 2 cents worth- ]
At any rate, that is not a true democracy. I don't follow the news at all anymore over there, though last I remember, there was a decent president in failing health. But he & a handful of honest people couldn't do it alone. You have to have a system of checks and balances, which includes term limits of elected officials, with no one group, including the president, having absolute power.
In the U.S., it's 3 branches. Executive - the president, Legislative - law makers(Congress- representatives & senators-elected by the people in each state to represent their respective states), Judicial - Supreme court(w/appointed judges). No single branch has absolute power, not even the president - if it's felt the president has overstepped his boundaries & broken the law, he can be impeached, and if necessary, peacefully taken out of power. The executive & legislative branches are elected & have term limits of 2-4 years. The president is additionally limited to a maximum 2 terms of 4 yrs. each, with elections held every 4 yrs.(Maximum of 8 years in office).
(No 20-year term presidents in the U.S.- in fact, most U.S. presidents age so much during their terms, they wouldn't last 20 yrs. They aren't filthy rich & salary is not even close to most presidents of corporations.)
Thank you for the facts.
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Paldi5: I think his
nt is the people are stampeeding toward democracy and don't have a clue how to implement it or the infrastructure in place to run one. They will need a lot of time and halp getting there and in the mean time there is a power vacuum and a lot of oil sitting there for the taking. What is the way forward that is best for Libya. A new strong leader or a democracy of the crazy (inexperienced.)
I wonder if a dictator who loves his country could have lead his people to a democratic system of governance when he sees they truely want that, and avoid being overthrown before the cake is baked.
Gadaffy may have attempted to do that. He blames outsiders and AlQieda for fanning the demonstrators into a frenzy, even drugging them... and he tried, viciously, to combat the demonstrators and save himself, and his people. The mercenaries (whom he apparently hired) are going crazy and unseen outsiders are pulling their strings with the crowds. And a lot of fed up people want change and perhaps free lunches.
Gadaffy might have been successful in reaching a compromise and setting a calm way forward, but the difficulty of that given the events of Tunisia and Egypt on his borders, and his serious mistakes in dealing with the rebellion, were too much. Now it's too late. Now what?
nt is the people are stampeeding toward democracy and don't have a clue how to implement it or the infrastructure in place to run one. They will need a lot of time and halp getting there and in the mean time there is a power vacuum and a lot of oil sitting there for the taking. What is the way forward that is best for Libya. A new strong leader or a democracy of the crazy (inexperienced.)
I wonder if a dictator who loves his country could have lead his people to a democratic system of governance when he sees they truely want that, and avoid being overthrown before the cake is baked.
Gadaffy may have attempted to do that. He blames outsiders and AlQieda for fanning the demonstrators into a frenzy, even drugging them... and he tried, viciously, to combat the demonstrators and save himself, and his people. The mercenaries (whom he apparently hired) are going crazy and unseen outsiders are pulling their strings with the crowds. And a lot of fed up people want change and perhaps free lunches.
Gadaffy might have been successful in reaching a compromise and setting a calm way forward, but the difficulty of that given the events of Tunisia and Egypt on his borders, and his serious mistakes in dealing with the rebellion, were too much. Now it's too late. Now what?
Please don't kill Africans!!!!! we need Qaddafi when we will be ready to wipe out all the old evil regime in Africa. Remember he called for oneness of Africa in so many occasions but his calls all ignored by our pot belly cultist leader because Qaddafi does not belong in their confraternity . So many leader in Africa are to be executed b4 Qaddafi cos he is not the worst.
Is Mugabe not worst than Qaddafi???????? simply because he said his country is democratized, have any one of you been to great Zimbabwe lately? oh ok maybe Mugabe is the next
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d_simple: Please don't kill Africans!!!!! we need Qaddafi when we will be ready to wipe out all the old evil regime in Africa. Remember he called for oneness of Africa in so many occasions but his calls all ignored by our pot belly cultist leader because Qaddafi does not belong in their confraternity . So many leader in Africa are to be executed b4 Qaddafi cos he is not the worst.
Is Mugabe not worst than Qaddafi???????? simply because he said his country is democratized, have any one of you been to great Zimbabwe lately? oh ok maybe Mugabe is the next
Is Mugabe not worst than Qaddafi???????? simply because he said his country is democratized, have any one of you been to great Zimbabwe lately? oh ok maybe Mugabe is the next
No one wants to kill Africans!
Africa needs to get away from the current mess and go into the future. Gaddafi had some good ideas about uniting Africa and bringing about needed changes. Perhaps his calls fell on deaf ears because of his crazy past ways and unique style. The economy left many folks poor and jobless. Too bad he missed his opportunity and now he is too old and his countrymen have largely abandoned him because he treated some of them disrespectfully, by killing two thousand of them. It is too late.
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Scatlyn
Actually we did exactly that for 8 yrs, where have you been living the last 30 yrs or so? Do you honestly believe those 'ideals' apply today? Our 'democracy' has also turned into a dictatorship... which is why d_simple makes fun of the word, because he's seen how the 'ideal' can be twisted to fit many different concepts of rule, that have nothing to do with a real democracy.
d_simple d_simple delhi India
Well the thing is we had no control over the situation in Libya, his people chose to take this route, it was obviously not in our best interests to do so.. as we were fine with the situation for 42 yrs right?
It is unfolding whether the Libyans are lazy or not, whether Mubarak was the lesser of other evils or not... it's happening now and a it's a little late to be analyzing Mubaraks good or bad points because the dice have already been thrown.
Now it's a question of him letting go and having enough honor to stop killing his own people.
JMO
In response to: Democracy is not the majority going out and doing whatever its elected president wants. It's a system of checks and balances, including a constitution and judicial system, geared toward promoting and protecting individual freedom, human rights, free press, a representative government and free open elections for leaders limited by term limits.
Actually we did exactly that for 8 yrs, where have you been living the last 30 yrs or so? Do you honestly believe those 'ideals' apply today? Our 'democracy' has also turned into a dictatorship... which is why d_simple makes fun of the word, because he's seen how the 'ideal' can be twisted to fit many different concepts of rule, that have nothing to do with a real democracy.d_simple d_simple delhi India
In response to: Please don't kill Africans!!!!! we need Qaddafi when we will be ready to wipe out all the old evil regime in Africa. Remember he called for oneness of Africa in so many occasions but his calls all ignored by our pot belly cultist leader because Qaddafi does not belong in their confraternity . So many leader in Africa are to be executed b4 Qaddafi cos he is not the worst.
Is Mugabe not worst than Qaddafi???????? simply because he said his country is democratized, have any one of you been to great Zimbabwe lately? oh ok maybe Mugabe is the next
Is Mugabe not worst than Qaddafi???????? simply because he said his country is democratized, have any one of you been to great Zimbabwe lately? oh ok maybe Mugabe is the next
Well the thing is we had no control over the situation in Libya, his people chose to take this route, it was obviously not in our best interests to do so.. as we were fine with the situation for 42 yrs right?
It is unfolding whether the Libyans are lazy or not, whether Mubarak was the lesser of other evils or not... it's happening now and a it's a little late to be analyzing Mubaraks good or bad points because the dice have already been thrown.
Now it's a question of him letting go and having enough honor to stop killing his own people.
JMO
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Sorry Gaddafi.... it's 6am off to get another cuppa. 
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gininitaly: Scatlyn
Actually we did exactly that for 8 yrs, where have you been living the last 30 yrs or so? Do you honestly believe those 'ideals' apply today? Our 'democracy' has also turned into a dictatorship... which is why d_simple makes fun of the word, because he's seen how the 'ideal' can be twisted to fit many different concepts of rule, that have nothing to do with a real democracy.
d_simple d_simple delhi IndiaWell the thing is we had no control over the situation in Libya, his people chose to take this route, it was obviously not in our best interests to do so.. as we were fine with the situation for 42 yrs right?
It is unfolding whether the Libyans are lazy or not, whether Mubarak was the lesser of other evils or not... it's happening now and a it's a little late to be analyzing Mubaraks good or bad points because the dice have already been thrown.
Now it's a question of him letting go and having enough honor to stop killing his own people.
JMO
Actually we did exactly that for 8 yrs, where have you been living the last 30 yrs or so? Do you honestly believe those 'ideals' apply today? Our 'democracy' has also turned into a dictatorship... which is why d_simple makes fun of the word, because he's seen how the 'ideal' can be twisted to fit many different concepts of rule, that have nothing to do with a real democracy.
d_simple d_simple delhi IndiaWell the thing is we had no control over the situation in Libya, his people chose to take this route, it was obviously not in our best interests to do so.. as we were fine with the situation for 42 yrs right?
It is unfolding whether the Libyans are lazy or not, whether Mubarak was the lesser of other evils or not... it's happening now and a it's a little late to be analyzing Mubaraks good or bad points because the dice have already been thrown.
Now it's a question of him letting go and having enough honor to stop killing his own people.
JMO
morning dahlink
just got news in protesting forces are in for the bloodiest night in libya, and they are very near closing in on gaddafi
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its a matter of time gaddafi will be executed by his own people or will commit suicide. at last !!!!!!
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gininitaly: Scatlyn
Actually we did exactly that for 8 yrs, where have you been living the last 30 yrs or so? Do you honestly believe those 'ideals' apply today? Our 'democracy' has also turned into a dictatorship... which is why d_simple makes fun of the word, because he's seen how the 'ideal' can be twisted to fit many different concepts of rule, that have nothing to do with a real democracy.
d_simple d_simple delhi IndiaWell the thing is we had no control over the situation in Libya, his people chose to take this route, it was obviously not in our best interests to do so.. as we were fine with the situation for 42 yrs right?
It is unfolding whether the Libyans are lazy or not, whether Mubarak was the lesser of other evils or not... it's happening now and a it's a little late to be analyzing Mubaraks good or bad points because the dice have already been thrown.
Now it's a question of him letting go and having enough honor to stop killing his own people.
JMO
That was not my comment, but I quoted & agree with it.Actually we did exactly that for 8 yrs, where have you been living the last 30 yrs or so? Do you honestly believe those 'ideals' apply today? Our 'democracy' has also turned into a dictatorship... which is why d_simple makes fun of the word, because he's seen how the 'ideal' can be twisted to fit many different concepts of rule, that have nothing to do with a real democracy.
d_simple d_simple delhi IndiaWell the thing is we had no control over the situation in Libya, his people chose to take this route, it was obviously not in our best interests to do so.. as we were fine with the situation for 42 yrs right?
It is unfolding whether the Libyans are lazy or not, whether Mubarak was the lesser of other evils or not... it's happening now and a it's a little late to be analyzing Mubaraks good or bad points because the dice have already been thrown.
Now it's a question of him letting go and having enough honor to stop killing his own people.
JMO
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Paldi5: As Albertaghost said in a post here earlier (and I’m paraphrasing some here)
Democracy is not the majority going out and doing whatever its elected president wants, it's a system of checks and balances including a constitution and judicial system, geared toward promoting and protecting individual freedom, human rights, free press, a representative government and free open elections for leaders limited by term limits. In other words, it’s complicated. Democracy done right requires detailed instruction manuals and you will need a lot of help to use it well.
It was Paldi5 paraphrasing AlbertaghostDemocracy is not the majority going out and doing whatever its elected president wants, it's a system of checks and balances including a constitution and judicial system, geared toward promoting and protecting individual freedom, human rights, free press, a representative government and free open elections for leaders limited by term limits. In other words, it’s complicated. Democracy done right requires detailed instruction manuals and you will need a lot of help to use it well.
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gininitaly: Scatlyn
Actually we did exactly that for 8 yrs, where have you been living the last 30 yrs or so? Do you honestly believe those 'ideals' apply today? Our 'democracy' has also turned into a dictatorship... which is why d_simple makes fun of the word, because he's seen how the 'ideal' can be twisted to fit many different concepts of rule, that have nothing to do with a real democracy.
d_simple d_simple delhi IndiaWell the thing is we had no control over the situation in Libya, his people chose to take this route, it was obviously not in our best interests to do so.. as we were fine with the situation for 42 yrs right?
It is unfolding whether the Libyans are lazy or not, whether Mubarak was the lesser of other evils or not... it's happening now and a it's a little late to be analyzing Mubaraks good or bad points because the dice have already been thrown.
Now it's a question of him letting go and having enough honor to stop killing his own people.
JMO
Where have you been living the past 30 yrs.? According to others, that is NOT why d_simple makes fun of the word. It is his definition of "inexperienced democracy".Actually we did exactly that for 8 yrs, where have you been living the last 30 yrs or so? Do you honestly believe those 'ideals' apply today? Our 'democracy' has also turned into a dictatorship... which is why d_simple makes fun of the word, because he's seen how the 'ideal' can be twisted to fit many different concepts of rule, that have nothing to do with a real democracy.
d_simple d_simple delhi IndiaWell the thing is we had no control over the situation in Libya, his people chose to take this route, it was obviously not in our best interests to do so.. as we were fine with the situation for 42 yrs right?
It is unfolding whether the Libyans are lazy or not, whether Mubarak was the lesser of other evils or not... it's happening now and a it's a little late to be analyzing Mubaraks good or bad points because the dice have already been thrown.
Now it's a question of him letting go and having enough honor to stop killing his own people.
JMO
Yeah, right.... America is a dictatorship ....
...... try living in Iraq - I have friends & relatives who have.
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d_simple: Please don't kill Africans!!!!! we need Qaddafi when we will be ready to wipe out all the old evil regime in Africa. Remember he called for oneness of Africa in so many occasions but his calls all ignored by our pot belly cultist leader because Qaddafi does not belong in their confraternity . So many leader in Africa are to be executed b4 Qaddafi cos he is not the worst.
Is Mugabe not worst than Qaddafi???????? simply because he said his country is democratized, have any one of you been to great Zimbabwe lately? oh ok maybe Mugabe is the next
I will agree with you on Mugabe. I have a friend from the U.K.(not a C.S. member-btw -tho I have several U.K. friends here), who served in many places in Africa. He had to watch his beloved African guide being eaten by a crocodile - that guide saved his life by giving up his own. Is Mugabe not worst than Qaddafi???????? simply because he said his country is democratized, have any one of you been to great Zimbabwe lately? oh ok maybe Mugabe is the next
My friend says he would tear Mugabe apart limb by limb if he ever came across him in a dark alley.
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gininitaly: Scatlyn
Actually we did exactly that for 8 yrs, where have you been living the last 30 yrs or so? Do you honestly believe those 'ideals' apply today? Our 'democracy' has also turned into a dictatorship... which is why d_simple makes fun of the word, because he's seen how the 'ideal' can be twisted to fit many different concepts of rule, that have nothing to do with a real democracy.
d_simple d_simple delhi IndiaWell the thing is we had no control over the situation in Libya, his people chose to take this route, it was obviously not in our best interests to do so.. as we were fine with the situation for 42 yrs right?
It is unfolding whether the Libyans are lazy or not, whether Mubarak was the lesser of other evils or not... it's happening now and a it's a little late to be analyzing Mubaraks good or bad points because the dice have already been thrown.
Now it's a question of him letting go and having enough honor to stop killing his own people.
JMO
Once again, where were you 30 years ago? I was just finishing high school. And several yrs. before that, I was taught the name of Kaddafi - as in murderous tyrant.Actually we did exactly that for 8 yrs, where have you been living the last 30 yrs or so? Do you honestly believe those 'ideals' apply today? Our 'democracy' has also turned into a dictatorship... which is why d_simple makes fun of the word, because he's seen how the 'ideal' can be twisted to fit many different concepts of rule, that have nothing to do with a real democracy.
d_simple d_simple delhi IndiaWell the thing is we had no control over the situation in Libya, his people chose to take this route, it was obviously not in our best interests to do so.. as we were fine with the situation for 42 yrs right?
It is unfolding whether the Libyans are lazy or not, whether Mubarak was the lesser of other evils or not... it's happening now and a it's a little late to be analyzing Mubaraks good or bad points because the dice have already been thrown.
Now it's a question of him letting go and having enough honor to stop killing his own people.
JMO
You honestly believe the bolded part of your comment?
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SCatlyn: It was Paldi5 paraphrasing Albertaghost
Gets complicated doesn't it?
Who's on first?Point being, we should consider taking care of our own housecleaning before we start giving lessons in someone elses.
In this particular case I say let's let other governments give advice on 'Democracy' to the revolting middle easterners, not the USA.
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Democracy is not the majority going out and doing whatever its elected president wants, it's a system of checks and balances including a constitution and judicial system, geared toward promoting and protecting individual freedom, human rights, free press, a representative government and free open elections for leaders limited by term limits. In other words, it’s complicated. Democracy done right requires detailed instruction manuals and you will need a lot of help to use it well.