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Feb 24, 2011 10:31 PM CST gaddafi
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
d_simple: it is good you know so please avoid begin butchered and pls tell my brothers in the streets to go back home, we have other ways to change leadership in Africa,what they are doing is a new way of legalizing terrorism and not liberation. Libyans should be careful and not to jump from frying pan to fire
i am so scared that terrors who wanted to use Gaddafi for so many years but did not succeed will use this opportunity to change Libya to new Pakistan.



You make some rather astute observations that are dead on target.
It is very fashionable to label it 'progress' and 'enlightened' when terrorists finally take a country, then immediately call themselves something 'democratic' such as the 'Popular Democratic Front of....' or The Democratic Freedom Front Of the Peoples of....' ad nausea ever since the 1970s when I had my first foray into combat in the Sahara when stationed in Tchad near both Fort Lamy and in the Tibesti Mountains bordering Libya. It was a farce as many changed sides and joined Qaddafi's forces. Fighting in the Sudan wasn't much better back then as the same problems still plagued the southern tribes until recently. Now those professing to be Al Quaida will gather and overrun both countries with long term benefits for China but no one is supposed to mention them or their special forces troops invited in by the Govt. of Khartoum. The old conflicts starting back in the 70's will just continue with new players. Now that the French have pulled out of Tchad, it is only a matter of time before the 'crazyness' infects that area, then perhaps, at long last Nigeria with its oil resources....
On the scale of 1 to 10 for butchering one's own people, I'd rate the Colonel at about a 2 perhaps when compared with ol' Idi Amin Dada....or even the late self styled Emperor Bokassa of the Central African Empire, now back to being a 'republic' at least in name but still butchering each other as is quite usual there...nothing changes really except the depth of the blood...and the spread of it like some perverse 'right of passage' which will now destroy the stability of Libya setting tribe against tribe. What a waste.
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Feb 24, 2011 11:22 PM CST gaddafi
d_simple
d_simpled_simpledelhi, Delhi India3 Threads 170 Posts
Paldi5: Mut be hard to hide in a flat desert though. The drones would catch them in the open and kill them.


sahara is not just whitesands it is mountainous, rocky and sandy billion ppl can live there comfortably same as afghan
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Feb 24, 2011 11:24 PM CST gaddafi
d_simple
d_simpled_simpledelhi, Delhi India3 Threads 170 Posts
emmaline: i empathise with your concern, but it is empowering for the libyans to have as they will.

they cannot worry about other areas when they are so desperate themselves


ok i hope their wish will bring them better days
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Feb 25, 2011 12:53 AM CST gaddafi
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
They say there has already been killing of Bedouins and Egyptians in Libya and whatever other tribes have particular beefs against another. Are the Middle Eastern and African countries capable of being neutral and cohesive within their borders without an oppressive dictator? There is too much history that proves that this is not the case.

However I read an article this morning that the Libyan twitterers were asking H.Clinton.... "why didn't the US help?" A naive question considering how convoluted the politics may be.... and yet a sign to me of seeking not just violence or an Al-Qaida solution.

dunno
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Feb 25, 2011 1:03 AM CST gaddafi
SCatlyn
SCatlynSCatlynBrecon, South Glamorgan, Wales UK5 Threads 2,166 Posts
d_simple: it is good you know so please avoid begin butchered and pls tell my brothers in the streets to go back home, we have other ways to change leadership in Africa,what they are doing is a new way of legalizing terrorism and not liberation. Libyans should be careful and not to jump from frying pan to fire
i am so scared that terrors who wanted to use Gaddafi for so many years but did not succeed will use this opportunity to change Libya to new Pakistan.
(reporter)Fisk notes that there is 'little food in Tripoli' and what there is will cost you three times the usual.


Writing about the 'exodus of expatriates' (including 30,000 Turks) who work in Libya's oilfields, Fisk describes his departure from Tripoli:

On my own aircraft out of Tripoli, an evacuation flight to Europe, there were Polish, German, Japanese and Italian businessmen, all of whom told me they had closed down major companies in the past week. Worse still for Gaddafi, the oil, chemical and uranium fields of Libya lie to the south of "liberated" Benghazi. Gaddafi's hungry capital controls only water resources, so a temporary division of Libya, which may have entered Gaddafi's mind, would not be sustainable. Libyans and expatriates I spoke to yesterday said they thought he was clinically insane, but they expressed more anger at his son, Saif al-Islam. "We thought Saif was the new light, the 'liberal'", a Libyan businessman sad to me. "Now we realise he is crazier and more cruel than his father."

Copied from other thread - updates on Libya
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Feb 25, 2011 3:30 AM CST gaddafi
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
d_simple: Libya as a nation is too small to be divided and division is not the solution, hence they desire to kill Gaddafi they should go ahead and kill him.but they must live to beg for such leader to come their way again


You admire people that revolt against their true King and then promise the people democracy and never allow it?

Wow. You are on crazy dude.rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 25, 2011 7:01 AM CST gaddafi
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
Albertaghost: Somewhat.
You are saying Gaddafi is a good guy.
Yes and that is what is happening in Libya right now but you don't like people having a say in their own country.
And may your children mate with camels.


Thats a new concept for me.......wow Just guessing but I think a very good lubricant would be necessary..........innocent
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Feb 25, 2011 8:08 AM CST gaddafi
d_simple
d_simpled_simpledelhi, Delhi India3 Threads 170 Posts
Albertaghost: Somewhat.
You are saying Gaddafi is a good guy.
Yes and that is what is happening in Libya right now but you don't like people having a say in their own country.
And may your children mate with camels.


only God know how you escaped to where you claim the citizen now. keep supporting evil and encouraging terrorist activities. We need to expand the zise of Guantanamo Bay cos more customers on the way.
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Feb 25, 2011 8:19 AM CST gaddafi
d_simple
d_simpled_simpledelhi, Delhi India3 Threads 170 Posts
if Gaddafi and Mubarak is as bad as you are saying it, why did the US and UK support them and call them friend? does it mean that the UK and US support and sponsor evil regime? for 41 years its now we know they are bad.
i think you guys has read too much more than your brain can carry.
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Feb 25, 2011 8:27 AM CST gaddafi
Johnwain
JohnwainJohnwainDublin, Ireland7 Threads 466 Posts
d_simple: if Gaddafi and Mubarak is as bad as you are saying it, why did the US and UK support them and call them friend? does it mean that the UK and US support and sponsor evil regime? for 41 years its now we know they are bad.
i think you guys has read too much more than your brain can carry.


ohh god here you are again.
Switch on Aljazeera and watch the massacre ordered by your hero.
If you think you can manipulate us with this poor and twisted arguments you are really wasting your time man...
thumbs down
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Feb 25, 2011 8:31 AM CST gaddafi
taxidiotis
taxidiotistaxidiotisnicosia, Nicosia Cyprus23 Threads 2 Polls 811 Posts
Johnwain: ohh god here you are again.
Switch on Aljazeera and watch the massacre ordered by your hero.
If you think you can manipulate us with this poor and twisted arguments you are really wasting your time man...
I think he has a very good point.Gaddafi is a bloodthirsty dictator but those that theirs interests are served they see him as a swan
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Feb 25, 2011 8:35 AM CST gaddafi
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
Johnwain: ohh god here you are again.
Switch on Aljazeera and watch the massacre ordered by your hero.
If you think you can manipulate us with this poor and twisted arguments you are really wasting your time man...


Hmm.... with thousands of years of oppressive rule and you think they can have a western style democracy in a week?? I mean we haven't been shaping up all that well lately either.

Whether you agree with dsimple or not... I bet he's got a better feel for these states and their mentalities than we could possibly begin to understand, unless we'd lived there for any length of time.

dunno
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Feb 25, 2011 8:46 AM CST gaddafi
Johnwain
JohnwainJohnwainDublin, Ireland7 Threads 466 Posts
taxidiotis: I think he has a very good point.Gaddafi is a bloodthirsty dictator but those that theirs interests are served they see him as a swan


you are entitled to your opinion.I dont support terrorists slaughtering their own people just to maintain power.
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Feb 25, 2011 8:52 AM CST gaddafi
Johnwain
JohnwainJohnwainDublin, Ireland7 Threads 466 Posts
gininitaly: Hmm.... with thousands of years of oppressive rule and you think they can have a western style democracy in a week?? I mean we haven't been shaping up all that well lately either.

Whether you agree with dsimple or not... I bet he's got a better feel for these states and their mentalities than we could possibly begin to understand, unless we'd lived there for any length of time.


Gini, I respect different opinions but i can not respect people who justify massacres clearly before our eyes.Besides his arguments are weak and used as pretext.
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Feb 25, 2011 8:53 AM CST gaddafi
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
d_simple: if Gaddafi and Mubarak is as bad as you are saying it, why did the US and UK support them and call them friend? does it mean that the UK and US support and sponsor evil regime? for 41 years its now we know they are bad.
i think you guys has read too much more than your brain can carry.


Better the devil you know.
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Feb 25, 2011 9:34 AM CST gaddafi
Johnwain
JohnwainJohnwainDublin, Ireland7 Threads 466 Posts
TrueBlue1986: Better the devil you know.



Cameron Warns Libya: 'The World Is Watching'

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3:23pm UK, Friday February 25, 2011
David Cameron has warned the Libyan regime "the world is watching you", as he pledged to hold all those responsible for violence to account.


In a strongly worded statement from Downing Street, the Prime Minister also declined to rule out military action against the country.
He added the Government "will do everything it can" to get estimated 200 British nationals still stranded in Libya safely back home.

His warning followed meetings of the National Security Council and Cobra emergency planning committee and came amid growing criticism of the Government's handling of the crisis.
"The message is very clear, which is the violence we have seen is appalling and unacceptable," Mr Cameron said.
People working for this regime should remember that international justice has a long reach and a long memory and they will be held to account for what they do.
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Feb 25, 2011 7:04 PM CST gaddafi
d_simple
d_simpled_simpledelhi, Delhi India3 Threads 170 Posts
TrueBlue1986: Better the devil you know.


Gadaffi is a dictator yes but he is better than so many democratic leaders who keep stealing votes to stay in power. If we really want to get rid of dictators i will be ready to you you guys around Africa to show you to the real dangerous leaders under the DEMOCRAZZZZZZZZY rule.My president Omar al-Bashir of Sudan over 20 years in power under democratic government and see by your self the life of the Sudanese,Paul Biya of Cameroon is a democratic president for almost years now Cameroon is amount the poorest in the world is that what the demo-crazy means.See Idriss Derby of Tchad, Yadema family in Togo and let me just name these few.
Now tell me dictator ruling as a king and normal devil hiding under DEMO-CRAZZZZY who is the worst criminal.
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Feb 25, 2011 7:06 PM CST gaddafi
d_simple
d_simpled_simpledelhi, Delhi India3 Threads 170 Posts
Johnwain: Cameron Warns Libya: 'The World Is Watching'

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3:23pm UK, Friday February 25, 2011
David Cameron has warned the Libyan regime "the world is watching you", as he pledged to hold all those responsible for violence to account.In a strongly worded statement from Downing Street, the Prime Minister also declined to rule out military action against the country.
He added the Government "will do everything it can" to get estimated 200 British nationals still stranded in Libya safely back home.

His warning followed meetings of the National Security Council and Cobra emergency planning committee and came amid growing criticism of the Government's handling of the crisis.
"The message is very clear, which is the violence we have seen is appalling and unacceptable," Mr Cameron said.
People working for this regime should remember that international justice has a long reach and a long memory and they will be held to account for what they do.


he should sit down and let Libyans decide they only putting Libyans in high-speed that they are not ready to control now.
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Feb 25, 2011 7:12 PM CST gaddafi
d_simple
d_simpled_simpledelhi, Delhi India3 Threads 170 Posts
Johnwain: you are entitled to your opinion.I dont support terrorists slaughtering their own people just to maintain power.


Is it today you know he is a terrorist? he is a terrorist when your brothers in Scotland accepted his deal and release a condemned terrorist with all evidence. I think Qaddafi should use this opportunity to expose all these European leaders so we will know who are the real terrorists
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Feb 25, 2011 7:40 PM CST gaddafi
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
d_simple: if Gaddafi and Mubarak is as bad as you are saying it, why did the US and UK support them and call them friend? does it mean that the UK and US support and sponsor evil regime? for 41 years its now we know they are bad.
i think you guys has read too much more than your brain can carry.


I think that the US had Libya on the terrorist list for close to 30 years. Not many of the Lockerbie families here....called Gaddiffi friend. Most wanted him in front of a judge.

As for Mubarak. Mubarak was sitting beside Anwar Sadat when he was shot and killed. Mubarak turned Egypt away from radical Muslim extremism and kept a peace with Israel for near 30 years. So as far as dictators goes...he had some good characteristics.

If he would have run fair elections....he would have been a great leader for the Egyptian people.
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