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Feb 28, 2011 1:22 AM CST gaddafi
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
Conrad73: Holy Oil,Ray!
Is that sixties Rhetoric still around?


"Libya has stopped oil shipments to Switzerland months after the arrest of Muammar Gaddafi's youngest son sparked a diplomatic row.
"Libya has requested the company to halt all oil deliveries to Switzerland," said Issam Zanati, chief executive of Libyan oil firm Tamoil.
Tensions have been high between the two countries since Swiss police arrested Hannibal Gaddafi and his wife in July.
They were accused of hitting two of their staff but charges were dropped."

hmmm Hmmm......
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Feb 28, 2011 1:28 AM CST gaddafi
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
gininitaly: "Libya has stopped oil shipments to Switzerland months after the arrest of Muammar Gaddafi's youngest son sparked a diplomatic row.
"Libya has requested the company to halt all oil deliveries to Switzerland," said Issam Zanati, chief executive of Libyan oil firm Tamoil.
Tensions have been high between the two countries since Swiss police arrested Hannibal Gaddafi and his wife in July.
They were accused of hitting two of their staff but charges were dropped."

Hmmm......


sleep

Shortfall made up easily by buying fr9om another OPEC country.

sleep
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Feb 28, 2011 1:54 AM CST gaddafi
SCatlyn
SCatlynSCatlynBrecon, South Glamorgan, Wales UK5 Threads 2,166 Posts
RayfromUSA: I doubt if you can even find Libya on a map.
And I am certain that you know nothing at all about what Gadaffi has done for Libya since taking office.

Don't you recognize the same sort of campaign of vilification that the media and the government did before invading Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, Panama, Vietnam, Nicaragua, etc etc etc etc.

There's always a "monster" leader who is being mean to his own people, and a military invasion is always a humanitarian act.
And the stupid sheeple always think they know something about the situation because the controlled media told them what to think.

Gaddafi might get killed (very likely). But I would certainly say he has been a better leader for his nation than Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, or Obama. And he is certainly better than the puppet Obama intends to replace him with.
Another mind reader roll eyes
Actually, you sound like one of the controlled media... albeit your own "media", claiming to know what everyone thinks & why.

And continually stating opinion as fact
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Feb 28, 2011 2:02 AM CST gaddafi
SCatlyn
SCatlynSCatlynBrecon, South Glamorgan, Wales UK5 Threads 2,166 Posts
RayfromUSA: I doubt if you can even find Libya on a map.
And I am certain that you know nothing at all about what Gadaffi has done for Libya since taking office.

Don't you recognize the same sort of campaign of vilification that the media and the government did before invading Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, Panama, Vietnam, Nicaragua, etc etc etc etc.

There's always a "monster" leader who is being mean to his own people, and a military invasion is always a humanitarian act.
And the stupid sheeple always think they know something about the situation because the controlled media told them what to think.

Gaddafi might get killed (very likely). But I would certainly say he has been a better leader for his nation than Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, or Obama. And he is certainly better than the puppet Obama intends to replace him with.
Please state in what ways; and be specific, beginning with Nixon - compare how Gaddafi has been a better leader than each you have mentioned.

(And any Wikipedia references just don't cut it; while some are very useful, they are only as useful as their accuracy. As Wikipedia itself states, it's info is submitted by a collective of others, with much being unverified)
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Feb 28, 2011 2:03 AM CST gaddafi
gininitaly: "Libya has stopped oil shipments to Switzerland months after the arrest of Muammar Gaddafi's youngest son sparked a diplomatic row.
"Libya has requested the company to halt all oil deliveries to Switzerland," said Issam Zanati, chief executive of Libyan oil firm Tamoil.
Tensions have been high between the two countries since Swiss police arrested Hannibal Gaddafi and his wife in July.
They were accused of hitting two of their staff but charges were dropped."

Hmmm......
Hmmm,What?
After he took some Swiss Hostage?
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Feb 28, 2011 2:04 AM CST gaddafi
gininitaly: "Libya has stopped oil shipments to Switzerland months after the arrest of Muammar Gaddafi's youngest son sparked a diplomatic row.
"Libya has requested the company to halt all oil deliveries to Switzerland," said Issam Zanati, chief executive of Libyan oil firm Tamoil.
Tensions have been high between the two countries since Swiss police arrested Hannibal Gaddafi and his wife in July.
They were accused of hitting two of their staff but charges were dropped."

Hmmm......
confused confused confused
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Feb 28, 2011 2:07 AM CST gaddafi
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
SCatlyn: Please state in what ways; and be specific, beginning with Nixon - compare how Gaddafi has been a better leader than each you have mentioned.


doh

Now you did it. Won't hear from Ray for a month and then, he'll be back with the same contention (without the specifics of course).rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 28, 2011 2:07 AM CST gaddafi
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
Guess he didn't like his kid arrested ay?
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Feb 28, 2011 2:16 AM CST gaddafi
gininitaly: Guess he didn't like his kid arrested ay?
Should have taught that Little Crap some Manners!rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 28, 2011 2:24 AM CST gaddafi
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
Yeah I heard he was the problem child. laugh
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Feb 28, 2011 2:29 AM CST gaddafi
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
Feb 28, 2011 2:36 AM CST gaddafi
gininitaly: Yeah I heard he was the problem child.
Well,he might get taught some Manners shortly!laugh
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Feb 28, 2011 3:20 AM CST gaddafi
d_simple
d_simpled_simpledelhi, Delhi India3 Threads 170 Posts
RayfromUSA: I doubt if you can even find Libya on a map.
And I am certain that you know nothing at all about what Gadaffi has done for Libya since taking office.

Don't you recognize the same sort of campaign of vilification that the media and the government did before invading Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, Panama, Vietnam, Nicaragua, etc etc etc etc.

There's always a "monster" leader who is being mean to his own people, and a military invasion is always a humanitarian act.
And the stupid sheeple always think they know something about the situation because the controlled media told them what to think.

Gaddafi might get killed (very likely). But I would certainly say he has been a better leader for his nation than Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, or Obama. And he is certainly better than the puppet Obama intends to replace him with.



you are right bros i wonder what the Americans will gain in the death of Gaddafi. Obama is so serious about the matter as if family problem or he think that the Libyans loves him?
The election crisis is Ivory Coast was on before Libyan uprising and till today no one is trying to put of the fire in Ivory Coast which the international community and the UN fueled.
death of Gaddafi will be as death of Kwame Nkruma of Ghana. Who ever is out for African true unity is a terget
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Feb 28, 2011 3:34 AM CST gaddafi
d_simple: you are right bros i wonder what the Americans will gain in the death of Gaddafi. Obama is so serious about the matter as if family problem or he think that the Libyans loves him?
The election crisis is Ivory Coast was on before Libyan uprising and till today no one is trying to put of the fire in Ivory Coast which the international community and the UN fueled.
death of Gaddafi will be as death of Kwame Nkruma of Ghana. Who ever is out for African true unity is a terget
Question?
How come you live far away in India?
When Africa is in such dire need?confused
When was there ever any such thing as African Unity?dunno
The Tribes made War on each other way before the Arabs or the Europeans showed up!
So quit blaming others and get cracking!
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Feb 28, 2011 4:20 AM CST gaddafi
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
RayfromUSA: I doubt if you can even find Libya on a map.
And I am certain that you know nothing at all about what Gadaffi has done for Libya since taking office.

Don't you recognize the same sort of campaign of vilification that the media and the government did before invading Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, Panama, Vietnam, Nicaragua, etc etc etc etc.

There's always a "monster" leader who is being mean to his own people, and a military invasion is always a humanitarian act.
And the stupid sheeple always think they know something about the situation because the controlled media told them what to think.

Gaddafi might get killed (very likely). But I would certainly say he has been a better leader for his nation than Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, or Obama. And he is certainly better than the puppet Obama intends to replace him with.


I thought the US was sitting this out which I agree with. No need for any military to get involved as the people in Lybia will do that job by themselves. If you're trying to say this is a CIA enhanced/produced uprising I would have to disagree.

As far as leadership goes, I would have to say Gaddafi, being the autocratic leader he is, has been somewhat successful at running the country but I wouldn't say he's been better than even the worst President we've ever had. I suspect he'll be deceased soon and Lybia may or may not be better off. I suspect it will be worse off.
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Feb 28, 2011 5:09 AM CST gaddafi
Meeting Gaddafi: Should the U.S. Negotiate with Dictators?

By ROMESH RATNESAR Romesh Ratnesar – 2 hrs 4 mins ago

About a year and a half ago, I spent some time with Muammar Gaddafi. He was in New York City to address the U.N. General Assembly and was staying in a nondescript concrete building on Manhattan's East Side. Through the American p.r. firm that managed his Western press coverage, Gaddafi had agreed to be interviewed by Michael Elliott, the editor of TIME International, and me. Michael and I made our way through a gauntlet of machine-gun-toting cops, secret-service agents and assorted swarthy tough guys. While we waited for Gaddafi, members of his all-female praetorian guards paced the room, dressed in desert khakis, black berets and leopard-skin stiletto heels. We were given only one ground rule for the interview: when directing questions to Gaddafi, we were to refer to him as "Brother Leader."

At last Gaddafi emerged. He had a waxy complexion and a thin goatee, and wore something resembling a cape. He greeted us indifferently, sat down and started speaking. At least, I think he did. According to the translation, Gaddafi discussed Iran's nuclear program, the Arab-Israeli conflict and the Lockerbie bombing. But it mostly sounded like a series of grunts and mumbles. Gaddafi looked wan and distracted. Fearing for the colonel's safety, his American handlers had refused to allow him outside the grounds of the Libyan consulate. When we asked about his impressions of America, he said, "We didn't see anything." He hardly came off as an international menace; if anything, this was a tired old man struggling to outrun his past. As we shook hands and left, I actually felt sorry for him. (See video of TIME's interview with Gaddafi.)

It may seem unfathomable now, but the Gaddafi who came to New York City that fall had worked hard to convince the world he was a changed man. He gave up his nuclear-weapons program and renounced terrorism. He cooperated with the U.S. in the war against al-Qaeda. In return, Washington lifted sanctions. Western money poured into Libya. Condoleezza Rice visited Tripoli. But to his own people, Gaddafi never changed. He was still a murderous megalomaniac, a leader who claimed to be egalitarian even as he allowed his sons and cronies to pocket billions from the country's oil industry. The only mercy in Libya's current unraveling is that the Brother Leader has once again consigned himself to the global-pariah club.

The Gaddafi example thus highlights a persistent dilemma for U.S. policymakers: Should we negotiate with dictators? In most respects, the West's decision to engage Gaddafi has turned out to be a disastrous bargain. Far from initiating domestic reforms or improving human rights, the Libyan leader used the legitimacy conferred on him by the West as cover to crush dissent and steal more of his country's wealth. Whatever cooperation the U.S. established with Tripoli has now been severed irreparably. It's inconceivable that any Western government will have anything to do with Libya so long as Gaddafi is in power. And yet the world may still inherit a failed state when he goes. (See more about the potential fate of Gaddafi and Libya.).......................

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Feb 28, 2011 5:11 AM CST gaddafi
Conrad73: Meeting Gaddafi: Should the U.S. Negotiate with Dictators?

By ROMESH RATNESAR Romesh Ratnesar – 2 hrs 4 mins ago

About a year and a half ago, I spent some time with Muammar Gaddafi. He was in New York City to address the U.N. General Assembly and was staying in a nondescript concrete building on Manhattan's East Side. Through the American p.r. firm that managed his Western press coverage, Gaddafi had agreed to be interviewed by Michael Elliott, the editor of TIME International, and me. Michael and I made our way through a gauntlet of machine-gun-toting cops, secret-service agents and assorted swarthy tough guys. While we waited for Gaddafi, members of his all-female praetorian guards paced the room, dressed in desert khakis, black berets and leopard-skin stiletto heels. We were given only one ground rule for the interview: when directing questions to Gaddafi, we were to refer to him as "Brother Leader."

At last Gaddafi emerged. He had a waxy complexion and a thin goatee, and wore something resembling a cape. He greeted us indifferently, sat down and started speaking. At least, I think he did. According to the translation, Gaddafi discussed Iran's nuclear program, the Arab-Israeli conflict and the Lockerbie bombing. But it mostly sounded like a series of grunts and mumbles. Gaddafi looked wan and distracted. Fearing for the colonel's safety, his American handlers had refused to allow him outside the grounds of the Libyan consulate. When we asked about his impressions of America, he said, "We didn't see anything." He hardly came off as an international menace; if anything, this was a tired old man struggling to outrun his past. As we shook hands and left, I actually felt sorry for him. (See video of TIME's interview with Gaddafi.)

It may seem unfathomable now, but the Gaddafi who came to New York City that fall had worked hard to convince the world he was a changed man. He gave up his nuclear-weapons program and renounced terrorism. He cooperated with the U.S. in the war against al-Qaeda. In return, Washington lifted sanctions. Western money poured into Libya. Condoleezza Rice visited Tripoli. But to his own people, Gaddafi never changed. He was still a murderous megalomaniac, a leader who claimed to be egalitarian even as he allowed his sons and cronies to pocket billions from the country's oil industry. The only mercy in Libya's current unraveling is that the Brother Leader has once again consigned himself to the global-pariah club.

The Gaddafi example thus highlights a persistent dilemma for U.S. policymakers: Should we negotiate with dictators? In most respects, the West's decision to engage Gaddafi has turned out to be a disastrous bargain. Far from initiating domestic reforms or improving human rights, the Libyan leader used the legitimacy conferred on him by the West as cover to crush dissent and steal more of his country's wealth. Whatever cooperation the U.S. established with Tripoli has now been severed irreparably. It's inconceivable that any Western government will have anything to do with Libya so long as Gaddafi is in power. And yet the world may still inherit a failed state when he goes. (See more about the potential fate of Gaddafi and Libya.).......................

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Feb 28, 2011 6:06 AM CST gaddafi
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
Conrad73: Question?
How come you live far away in India?
When Africa is in such dire need?
When was there ever any such thing as African Unity?
The Tribes made War on each other way before the Arabs or the Europeans showed up!
So quit blaming others and get cracking!


Oh like you should talk. confused

doh Doesn't keep you from spreading your agenda from where you are... so he doesn't have the same right?

tsk tsk
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