Australia Our Home (105)

Sep 30, 2013 1:59 PM CST Australia Our Home
Rbjustme: Have they made changes to it now, or is it basically the same, and what about Sale, has it grown or evolved?
It's now part of the secondary college... Senior school.

Sale... it's still a beautiful town. They extended the lake years ago... The shopping centre evolves. One never knows what stores will be there. (and I don't shop enough to care)
Oct 1, 2013 4:24 AM CST Australia Our Home
Obscuritan
ObscuritanObscuritanMelbourne, Victoria Australia37 Threads 3 Polls 1,284 Posts
Rbjustme: There is no land better, there is no land more beautiful, there is no land with more wonders, there is no land with more beauty in it's beaches, there is no land with more beauty in it's mountains, deserts or plains, and there is no better place to live, and to call it home.

There has been no one better than our pioneers, ancestors, indigenous people, culture, achievers, and most of all, our soldiers who died for us and kept this great land of ours free to do as we wish, our way.

Australia, we are one, and to the spirit of Australia, our home, our land, our people, and our culture, let's keep it that way.

So let's take this opportunity to tell everyone about this great land of ours, by sharing our stories, past, present and history, of what it's like to be Australian.


Yes, I agree we live in a darn good country RB, although I have only seen a few other ones.
Some people will be cynical about it, just their nature. Like you, I prefer to see the positive side.
As for RobP, he really did serve in Vietnam and it's clearly scarred him for life. So while he didn't actually "die" for his country, in the end he did give up everything. Deep down he's still a great bloke.

Now, about those pioneers and indigenous people, I'm not sure if they would have described each other as "no one better".

So let me finish orf with the Orstrayian nashnul anthem.....
"Orstrayans all are ostriches....." Hang on, shouldn't that be Emus? australia
Oct 1, 2013 4:48 AM CST Australia Our Home
Rbjustme
RbjustmeRbjustmeNowhere, Victoria Australia8 Threads 192 Posts
Obscuritan: Yes, I agree we live in a darn good country RB, although I have only seen a few other ones.
Some people will be cynical about it, just their nature. Like you, I prefer to see the positive side.
As for RobP, he really did serve in Vietnam and it's clearly scarred him for life. So while he didn't actually "die" for his country, in the end he did give up everything. Deep down he's still a great bloke.

Now, about those pioneers and indigenous people, I'm not sure if they would have described each other as "no one better".

So let me finish orf with the Orstrayian nashnul anthem.....
"Orstrayans all are ostriches....." Hang on, shouldn't that be Emus?


Thank you buddy, great comments. As for Robp, I take my hat of to him for serving this country, and I am dam sure it did scar him for life, as it did to all the other troops that went there, they did give up everything.

I have no hard feelings toward the man at all, he is entitled to have his say, but unfortunately, he posted the wrong comment at the wrong time in a thread that was meant to honour and respect people such as he. peace

Your second comment is justifiable handshake

The Orstrayian nashnul....rolling on the floor laughing Yer, your right there!! rolling on the floor laughing cheers
Oct 1, 2013 7:19 AM CST Australia Our Home
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
Australia sure has some beautiful places... and lots to do.. freedom and all the things you have mentioned in above posts..

but for me... although I acknowledge and appreciate all of that... I feel so isolated down here.. ( in Australia)

I kick myself that when I had the chance of obtaining European citizenship... ( I could have had dual) I wasn't interested..and I did not bother.

I would live in Europe in a heartbeat if I could.. especially for the history... the old buildings... the many languages that are on the sign posts.. etc..

I think it would be pretty good... but I am not unhappy with my lot.. truly Aus is fine.. but Europe is exciting... peace
Oct 1, 2013 7:33 AM CST Australia Our Home
Rbjustme
RbjustmeRbjustmeNowhere, Victoria Australia8 Threads 192 Posts
Merriweather: Australia sure has some beautiful places... and lots to do.. freedom and all the things you have mentioned in above posts..

but for me... although I acknowledge and appreciate all of that... I feel so isolated down here.. ( in Australia)

I kick myself that when I had the chance of obtaining European citizenship... ( I could have had dual) I wasn't interested..and I did not bother.

I would live in Europe in a heartbeat if I could.. especially for the history... the old buildings... the many languages that are on the sign posts.. etc..

I think it would be pretty good... but I am not unhappy with my lot.. truly Aus is fine.. but Europe is exciting...


Please excuse my ignorance Merriweather, but were you born in Australia or in Europe? The history and buildings as you said in Europe are quite astonishing, but I personally would miss Australia if I had to leave it, hence the reason for the question to you. wine
Oct 1, 2013 7:33 AM CST Australia Our Home
NotABlonde
NotABlondeNotABlondeSpringwood, New South Wales Australia8 Threads 1,210 Posts
Merriweather: Australia sure has some beautiful places... and lots to do.. freedom and all the things you have mentioned in above posts..

but for me... although I acknowledge and appreciate all of that... I feel so isolated down here.. ( in Australia)

I kick myself that when I had the chance of obtaining European citizenship... ( I could have had dual) I wasn't interested..and I did not bother.

I would live in Europe in a heartbeat if I could.. especially for the history... the old buildings... the many languages that are on the sign posts.. etc..

I think it would be pretty good... but I am not unhappy with my lot.. truly Aus is fine.. but Europe is exciting...


Can you not still get dual citizenship?

I emigrated in '99, then went back to the UK in 2011 when I left my husband.
While I loved being back there, with the old buildings, cobbled streets, Marks & Spencers, I found I missed Australia more so came back last year.

I lived in Sardinia for a time in the 90's and missed England then. I think that was more a language thing though.

It still feels like I'm on holiday here (especially when I lived in Qld, even though I was working 6 days a week, running 2 businesses).

I think of Australia as home now, but I'll always think of myself as English, and it's good to know I can always go back easily enough for a visit if I want to.
Oct 1, 2013 8:16 AM CST Australia Our Home
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
Rbjustme: Please excuse my ignorance Merriweather, but were you born in Australia or in Europe? The history and buildings as you said in Europe are quite astonishing, but I personally would miss Australia if I had to leave it, hence the reason for the question to you.



Born in Italy... Product of Australia... I came as a baby, and for a very long while... did not think about going overseas... but when I did... I have been twice ... I realised that really, I like it very much there.

But... I do love it here too... just saying how isolated I think we are down here... australia With languages, culture etc...

My beef here is... We are proud to be a very multicultural country, but its said... not done...

I mean... for our new immigrants.. why don't we have sign posts with instructions in all the different languages... (as they do over in Europe)

It's amazing how easily we can learn from just viewing the signposts.. and that leads to learning a little bit of lots of languages..

Here.. I don't know why... but because we all speak English, we get so complacent... and don't bother to learn other languages, and learn history etc..

Well, maybe some people do... but its not commonplace that I observe..

wave
Oct 1, 2013 10:05 AM CST Australia Our Home
justjim63
justjim63justjim63port macquarie, New South Wales Australia14 Threads 2,592 Posts
Merriweather: Born in Italy... Product of Australia... I came as a baby, and for a very long while... did not think about going overseas... but when I did... I have been twice ... I realised that really, I like it very much there.

But... I do love it here too... just saying how isolated I think we are down here... With languages, culture etc...

My beef here is... We are proud to be a very multicultural country, but its said... not done...

I mean... for our new immigrants.. why don't we have sign posts with instructions in all the different languages... (as they do over in Europe)

It's amazing how easily we can learn from just viewing the signposts.. and that leads to learning a little bit of lots of languages..

Here.. I don't know why... but because we all speak English, we get so complacent... and don't bother to learn other languages, and learn history etc..

Well, maybe some people do... but its not commonplace that I observe..


History? if You're talking European history in Australia, then Yes we only have about 200 years worth, But indigenous history goes back anywhere from 40 to 60,000 years and is the oldest continuous culture in the world. You make it sound as though the geographical isolation of Australia is a bad thing, I have the opposite view it's allowed us to live in relative peace and prosperity without any attempt at invasion from another country, it's also due to our isolation that we have such unique flora and fauna. And with the advent of modern means of transportation the physical distances between us and the rest of the world has shrunken considerably. jmo
Oct 1, 2013 5:38 PM CST Australia Our Home
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
NotABlonde: I generally buy frozen veg because it's convenient and there's no waste. I'm sick of cutting into things and finding them rotten in the middle, or they taste rubbish.
I've also read lots of times that frozen veg are more nutritious in many cases than fresh as they're picked and flash frozen at their peak.
Sometimes it's also a case of obtaining fruit or veg off peak.

Everyone says buy Australian, but then still expects us to be able to export goods to other countries. Surely it's a two way thing. Why should other countries be expected to buy our goods yet we're encouraged to buy our own?

A quick search shows we export more than import, so where's the problem coming from?
"The value of imported goods in Australia is $239.7 billion (2012 est), and the value of exported goods is $263.9 billion (2012 est)"

Hopefully someone far cleverer than me will come along and explain it all.
Well I'm eating off 5 kg's of Aussie beef at the moment not bad as it has half inch of fat on it , much better the anorexic crap grown locally . $8.99 a kg plus gst . Stuff that I sell $4.50 kg plus GST bone in which is about half the weight (bit more) . I also get to choose the cut of meat I want rather than eating crap from around the neck ,front legs tough stuff, if I killed my own .And whats more I don't have to kill ,skin or store a whole beast . If you do the maths you can see that I bye meat at the same money I sell meat as I don't eat the bones .
Oct 1, 2013 6:58 PM CST Australia Our Home
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
justjim63: History? if You're talking European history in Australia, then Yes we only have about 200 years worth, But indigenous history goes back anywhere from 40 to 60,000 years and is the oldest continuous culture in the world. You make it sound as though the geographical isolation of Australia is a bad thing, I have the opposite view it's allowed us to live in relative peace and prosperity without any attempt at invasion from another country, it's also due to our isolation that we have such unique flora and fauna. And with the advent of modern means of transportation the physical distances between us and the rest of the world has shrunken considerably. jmo


HiJustJim...wave

I liked that overseas you could catch cheap and cheerful flights.. like Ryan Air, Monarch, Flybee etc and get to another country , or another part of the same country in an hour..
for hardly any money at all... compared to flying here..

and you can stay in b n b's for a song... and potter around and see lots of visual history.... which gets you reading more..

I like big cities.. and I am not attracted to our Aussie bush.. As for flora... I don't grow natives except for three... only to attract the honeyeaters.. but I have of late chosen roses that were bred here... so as the royalaties stay in Aus.

Having said all that... I will say, I have visited every state in Australia.. Lived in Darwin, toured WA for 3mnts.. Tassie twice for touring and a thorough good look.. Melb.. many times.. and finally made it to the east coast... I have still not seen Sydney, but will go there next. and yes... I do like touring.. but I found that visually the history from overseas was beaut..

n before you say about our indigenous history... I spent a day as part of a course, driving in convoy visiting aboriginal art sites here in SA...In Darwin, working for Uranium mining, I went exploring rock art which is no longer open to the public around Jabiru... I have Myths and legends of Aboriginal Australia by Reed. and another couple of books around same.. and also, have bought Aboriginal arty children books for my grandie.

n at work we all have to attend a 2 day course around Building relationships with Aboriginal etc.. and of course, we have many in our employment.

so I think I have an open mind on most topics..

I just think that 29 hrs to go over the pond is not something you can do in a weekend, or a week... that is my beef. grin
Oct 1, 2013 9:47 PM CST Australia Our Home
justjim63
justjim63justjim63port macquarie, New South Wales Australia14 Threads 2,592 Posts
Merriweather: HiJustJim...

I liked that overseas you could catch cheap and cheerful flights.. like Ryan Air, Monarch, Flybee etc and get to another country , or another part of the same country in an hour..
for hardly any money at all... compared to flying here..

and you can stay in b n b's for a song... and potter around and see lots of visual history.... which gets you reading more..

I like big cities.. and I am not attracted to our Aussie bush.. As for flora... I don't grow natives except for three... only to attract the honeyeaters.. but I have of late chosen roses that were bred here... so as the royalaties stay in Aus.

Having said all that... I will say, I have visited every state in Australia.. Lived in Darwin, toured WA for 3mnts.. Tassie twice for touring and a thorough good look.. Melb.. many times.. and finally made it to the east coast... I have still not seen Sydney, but will go there next. and yes... I do like touring.. but I found that visually the history from overseas was beaut..

n before you say about our indigenous history... I spent a day as part of a course, driving in convoy visiting aboriginal art sites here in SA...In Darwin, working for Uranium mining, I went exploring rock art which is no longer open to the public around Jabiru... I have Myths and legends of Aboriginal Australia by Reed. and another couple of books around same.. and also, have bought Aboriginal arty children books for my grandie.

n at work we all have to attend a 2 day course around Building relationships with Aboriginal etc.. and of course, we have many in our employment.

so I think I have an open mind on most topics..

I just think that 29 hrs to go over the pond is not something you can do in a weekend, or a week... that is my beef.


Don't get me wrong Merri I agree totally that Europe is a wonderful place, and You're spot on in regards to airfares, the prices we get charged here are ridiculous, I think we need a few more competitive airlines thrown into the mix, might help bring down the fares.
I for one would definitely travel more often if the fares were better.thumbs up wine
Oct 2, 2013 3:10 AM CST Australia Our Home
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
justjim63: Don't get me wrong Merri I agree totally that Europe is a wonderful place, and You're spot on in regards to airfares, the prices we get charged here are ridiculous, I think we need a few more competitive airlines thrown into the mix, might help bring down the fares.
I for one would definitely travel more often if the fares were better.



Too right jj .. I've lost count of the number of times I've considered going to Uluru then figured it was gonna cost me in the region of a grand for half a week...

No wonder we go to SE Asia and Bali.
Oct 2, 2013 3:51 AM CST Australia Our Home
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
New Zealand is being used as the back door into Australia, and chemicals that are banned in other countries are being allowed in.

A dangerous trick is being played in the battle to take over local vegetable growers, with Chinese frozen vegetables sneaking into Australia through New Zealand.

Toxic imported frozen vegetables from China are slipping past our chemical regulation gatehouse and landing on the dinner tables of thousands of Australian homes.

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Looking after the interests of local vegetable farmers, William Churchill from Ausveg explains that “New Zealand has very lax country of origin labelling laws, allowing for this practice to take place. It’s something that the Australian industry is very worried about.”

“There's a litany of evidence to show their growing practices are questionable,” Churchill said. “They’re (using) old chemistry, they’re not good on the food, however they’re still being used widely in China.

According to Churchill “this is deceitful in its action because there’s no clear way for an Australian to be able to tell on the back of the packet where the products are coming from.


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“It means New Zealand can bring a product of China, repackage it in New Zealand, and put it back into Australia with no residue testing.”

Sixth generation Tasmanian farmer Mike Badcock is the director of Sustainable Agricultural Communities Australia. He's appalled that frozen vegetables imported via New Zealand are never tested by our authorities because of a trans-Tasman agreement.

“This is quite a serious risk to the Australian public. They don’t know they're not eating New Zealand food,” Badcock said.

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“So it can come in willy-nilly, labelled as produce from New Zealand, and with no testing - we really don’t know what we’re eating.”

Using an Australian accredited lab eighteen bags of frozen vegetables from McCains, Heinz and Birdseye, plus Coles and Woolworths home brands were chemically tested. Most were imported from China or New Zealand, and a few were Australian home-grown.

The vegetables were tested for more than 230 different chemicals, and of the eighteen products tested, three came up positive for four nasty chemicals.

Jo Immig is the coordinator of the National Toxics Network. She explains that the chemicals found range from moderately to extremely toxic.

“The four chemicals found in the vegetables are all pesticides that have been banned in the European Union and they’re all pesticides that are currently under review by our Federal regulator,” Immig said.

“What's emerging is their relationship potentially with cancers, and their impacts on reproduction and development birth defects.”

The worst chemical found was procymidone in the McCains Winter Vegetables - a product made in New Zealand from local and imported products.

“It’s been shown to cause birth defects,” said Immig. “The regulator recently updated label instructions to make sure that pregnant women, or women of child-bearing age, don’t come into contact with the chemical. They’re worried about the fact that it can actually stay in the food.”

In Australia it’s not usually used on any of the vegetables found in the McCains mix.
Oct 2, 2013 3:59 AM CST Australia Our Home
Amazingly enough, people in Australia often believe McCain is Australian owned. ...to quote from their website,


"McCain Foods (Aust) Pty Ltd and McCain Foods (NZ) Limited are both wholly owned subsidiaries of McCain Foods Limited in Canada and are part of the global McCain group of companies."

The changes to food production are a global issue and definitely not simply Australia's. What I can say after the few countries I have visited... is that Australian produce is of a high quality.
Oct 2, 2013 4:13 AM CST Australia Our Home
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
is that Australian produce is of a high quality.


I only put what was on puter... but some of the things i have seen in 15+ years in the food industry would prolly change some things that you put in your mouth. It's all to do with dollars and the big o/seas companies are killing us and they don;t give a toss jmo.
Oct 2, 2013 7:53 AM CST Australia Our Home
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
Very informative Mr Lookin... wave


It's all very worrying.. I guess growing our own veges and fruit is an option...


but the problem there is ... fruit ripen pretty well at the same time, and I end up with a glut...

A couple of years ago, I grew pumpkins.. and had a room full of them, I gave them away to everyone that walked up the driveway... but come Oct the remaining two rotted a bit..

The tomatoes I grow are good value... always enough without too much waste... same with zucchini, but I grow spinach to protect small rose bushes from the sun... I hardly ever remember to pick it.. and I could/should grow more.. I use seeded potatoes to break up the ground... but I forget about those too...

After reading your whack of info up there, perhaps I will consider growing more veges.. couldn't hurt.. I suppose... daydream daydream
Oct 2, 2013 1:19 PM CST Australia Our Home
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
Merriweather: Very informative Mr Lookin... It's all very worrying.. I guess growing our own veges and fruit is an option... but the problem there is ... fruit ripen pretty well at the same time, and I end up with a glut...

A couple of years ago, I grew pumpkins.. and had a room full of them, I gave them away to everyone that walked up the driveway... but come Oct the remaining two rotted a bit..

The tomatoes I grow are good value... always enough without too much waste... same with zucchini, but I grow spinach to protect small rose bushes from the sun... I hardly ever remember to pick it.. and I could/should grow more.. I use seeded potatoes to break up the ground... but I forget about those too...

After reading your whack of info up there, perhaps I will consider growing more veges.. couldn't hurt.. I suppose...





I deff would if i was'nt so lazy and kill everything i plant mumbling
Oct 2, 2013 1:22 PM CST Australia Our Home
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
Merriweather: Very informative Mr Lookin... It's all very worrying.. I guess growing our own veges and fruit is an option... but the problem there is ... fruit ripen pretty well at the same time, and I end up with a glut...A couple of years ago, I grew pumpkins.. and had a room full of them, I gave them away to everyone that walked up the driveway... but come Oct the remaining two rotted a bit..

The tomatoes I grow are good value... always enough without too much waste... same with zucchini, but I grow spinach to protect small rose bushes from the sun... I hardly ever remember to pick it.. and I could/should grow more.. I use seeded potatoes to break up the ground... but I forget about those too...

After reading your whack of info up there, perhaps I will consider growing more veges.. couldn't hurt.. I suppose...





going by some of your posts, you seem to be good at making moonshine thumbs up rolling on the floor laughing
Oct 2, 2013 5:14 PM CST Australia Our Home
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
Abagail: Amazingly enough, people in Australia often believe McCain is Australian owned. ...to quote from their website, "McCain Foods (Aust) Pty Ltd and McCain Foods (NZ) Limited are both wholly owned subsidiaries of McCain Foods Limited in Canada and are part of the global McCain group of companies."

The changes to food production are a global issue and definitely not simply Australia's. What I can say after the few countries I have visited... is that Australian produce is of a high quality.


Edgel brand is now owned by the Yanks (can't recall the name of the company). The company operates 2 big plants in Aust and now the only ones doing Aust canned and frozen food, one in Bathurst and one in Launceston, and not just under the Edgel brand. And only use Aust products. They are having a hard time competing against imports so are now working closely with the farmers to try and improve productivity and reduce the costs SO THEY CAN KEEP OPERATING.

I went to the chemist to get hay fever headache tablets and was given "Chemists Own" brand. Okay, the chemists get together and market a Home Brand. So I thought ............ "Made in India."

Will go out of my way to buy Aussie brands. Must remember to take my glasses with me to read the lablesfrustrated
Oct 2, 2013 7:26 PM CST Australia Our Home
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
wash2u: Edgel brand is now owned by the Yanks (can't recall the name of the company). The company operates 2 big plants in Aust and now the only ones doing Aust canned and frozen food, one in Bathurst and one in Launceston, and not just under the Edgel brand. And only use Aust products. They are having a hard time competing against imports so are now working closely with the farmers to try and improve productivity and reduce the costs SO THEY CAN KEEP OPERATING.

I went to the chemist to get hay fever headache tablets and was given "Chemists Own" brand. Okay, the chemists get together and market a Home Brand. So I thought ............ "Made in India."

Will go out of my way to buy Aussie brands. Must remember to take my glasses with me to read the lables



Oh... I find that so frustrating... the labels are so small... that if I don't have my glasses , I cannot read it... I wish the label fonts were in large... it would be so much easier.. wave
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