Can humanity be saved? (62)
robplum: Since beginningless time without end, far fewer than other rebirths, human rebirth pales in comparison by the share number of other sentient rebirths the other rebirths i refer to appear before our eyes constantly.
Many people will spend their whole life experience seeking happiness for just themselves, the outcome of that sought of self cherishing is constant unhappiness.
Constant thoughts producing ever more suffering within our minds occurs I believe, because we don't examine the interdependent nature of our sufferings.
the other rebirths i refer to appear before our eyes constantly birds, cats, dogs, cows, fish, horse, lion, tiger, butterflies, moth, worms, insects all manner of creature sentient rebirths some think matter less than our very temporary human birth; silly silly thinking
Generally speaking I think that is the sought of ignorant thought process that most hinders our human communities, hinders the ability to develop true compassion towards each other, because no matter where we look (if you look) we can see all sentient beings are suffering.
By examining the nature of the rebirths of other sentient beings including none human clearly evident to us if we look right here on this planet we can learn and apply antidotes to our ills thus its possible to not only experience more lasting happiness we are better able to benefit others, which is actually recommended path to follow...
Since beginningless time without end, i say again, our nature is moving energy (subtle winds) we cannot fathom its beginning and its not possible that energy has an end, change yes but end is an impossibility.
That's what saves humanity its true nature
Many people will spend their whole life experience seeking happiness for just themselves, the outcome of that sought of self cherishing is constant unhappiness.
Constant thoughts producing ever more suffering within our minds occurs I believe, because we don't examine the interdependent nature of our sufferings.
the other rebirths i refer to appear before our eyes constantly birds, cats, dogs, cows, fish, horse, lion, tiger, butterflies, moth, worms, insects all manner of creature sentient rebirths some think matter less than our very temporary human birth; silly silly thinking
Generally speaking I think that is the sought of ignorant thought process that most hinders our human communities, hinders the ability to develop true compassion towards each other, because no matter where we look (if you look) we can see all sentient beings are suffering.
By examining the nature of the rebirths of other sentient beings including none human clearly evident to us if we look right here on this planet we can learn and apply antidotes to our ills thus its possible to not only experience more lasting happiness we are better able to benefit others, which is actually recommended path to follow...
Since beginningless time without end, i say again, our nature is moving energy (subtle winds) we cannot fathom its beginning and its not possible that energy has an end, change yes but end is an impossibility.
That's what saves humanity its true nature
so,what is the purpose of living on this Earth?
Or is there any?
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Thankyou Gunman, but I can't click on the link. I think that's the quote, although I heard a simpler translation.
As for corruption of religion, people will always interpret from their own value framework, ignore the bits they want to ignore and expound the bits which suit them to expound.
Everyone thinks their god is on their side when they kill and maim in war. It's good to drop the mother of all bombs, but evil to carry one. Thou shallt not kill is a flexible rule; the stone it was written on had grey areas, it seems.
As for corruption of religion, people will always interpret from their own value framework, ignore the bits they want to ignore and expound the bits which suit them to expound.
Everyone thinks their god is on their side when they kill and maim in war. It's good to drop the mother of all bombs, but evil to carry one. Thou shallt not kill is a flexible rule; the stone it was written on had grey areas, it seems.
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jac_the_gripper: Thankyou Gunman, but I can't click on the link. I think that's the quote, although I heard a simpler translation.
As for corruption of religion, people will always interpret from their own value framework, ignore the bits they want to ignore and expound the bits which suit them to expound.
Everyone thinks their god is on their side when they kill and maim in war. It's good to drop the mother of all bombs, but evil to carry one. Thou shallt not kill is a flexible rule; the stone it was written on had grey areas, it seems.
As for corruption of religion, people will always interpret from their own value framework, ignore the bits they want to ignore and expound the bits which suit them to expound.
Everyone thinks their god is on their side when they kill and maim in war. It's good to drop the mother of all bombs, but evil to carry one. Thou shallt not kill is a flexible rule; the stone it was written on had grey areas, it seems.
About the link, it's a comment of Koran. It says that the right meaning should be "Whoever kills a person …it is as though he has killed all mankind."
You're right, everyone thinks their god is on their side.
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GUZMAN1: About the link, it's a comment of Koran. It says that the right meaning should be "Whoever kills a person UNJUSTLY it is as though he has killed all mankind.".
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I knew it was from the Q'ran, Guzman.
I was interested to see how people reacted to it without stating it's source.
I was trying to bypass the 'four legs good, two legs bad (chickens exempt)' bias we suffer from.
I was interested to see how people reacted to it without stating it's source.
I was trying to bypass the 'four legs good, two legs bad (chickens exempt)' bias we suffer from.
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GUZMAN1: Yes. Killing or conversion is an unacceptable rule, no matter if is religious or politic. Some can't make a difference.
That's absolutely a good beginning Guzman. No force used on imposition of beliefs, religion, politics, and, if, any of these values or practice anyone has, expunge or rid it.
If in example, earing pork is not acceptable to anyone's religion, for peace sake don't move to a country if you don't respect or assimilate. Forcing your practice to others is a very intolerant attitude.
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So, how do you think your threads might impact upon saving humanity, LJ?
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Should one take the stance to be"weary" of immigrants?
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sophiasummer: Should one take the stance to be"weary" of immigrants?
I think that a great many people already ARE very 'weary' of immigrants, or to be more process 'weary of the changes that have been forced upon them by large numbers of immigrants who are totally unwilling to accept rule of law and the old adage of 'When in Rome, do as the Romans do'
On the other hand, I wonder, did you perhaps mean 'wary' of immigrants?
Given the number of individuals who ( to use UK as an example though of course there are others ... Belgium especially springs to mind ) were born in the UK or Belgium and who have committed terrorist atrocities in those countries ... I suspect 'wariness' of people from certain places and cultures is long since past inevitable?
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Conrad73: so,what is the purpose of living on this Earth?
Or is there any?
Or is there any?
All beings experience suffering because they sowed its seeds, sowed the seeds that ripen when the right conditions arrive.
Its my understanding "enlightenment" describes a being having ceased the causes for suffering rebirth no longer takes a form birth.
Going beyond means becomes god like e.g. pure energy that has no negativity...
Its not purpose for living rather for as long as we create the causes for suffering; personally and collective negative karmas we suffer. Whereas the teachings (Dharma) explains the Buddhist Path (Tibetan schools are known as the Mahayana) teach in the Tibetan tradition the Four Noble Truths that contain the essence of the Buddha's teachings.
The truth of suffering
The truth of the origin of suffering
The truth of the cessation of suffering
The truth of the path to the cessation of suffering
Shown in wheel of life paintings in Tibetan Art a mandala:
I have copied and pasted a description from other site than the image was copied off:
A mandala - is a complex picture representing the Buddhist view of the universe. To Buddhists, existence is a cycle of life, death, rebirth and suffering that they seek to escape altogether from.
The Wheel is divided into five or six realms, or states, into which a soul can be reborn. It is held by a demon. Around the rim are depicted the twelve stages of dependent origination.
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The path is benefiting other!!
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Rob, this is something where we share an interest ... I'd have PM'd you but that's not allowed by your settings! If you're interested in sharing more drop me a PM back ?
Cheers
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HexagonKeySet: I think that a great many people already ARE very 'weary' of immigrants, or to be more process 'weary of the changes that have been forced upon them by large numbers of immigrants who are totally unwilling to accept rule of law and the old adage of 'When in Rome, do as the Romans do'
On the other hand, I wonder, did you perhaps mean 'wary' of immigrants?
Given the number of individuals who ( to use UK as an example though of course there are others ... Belgium especially springs to mind ) were born in the UK or Belgium and who have committed terrorist atrocities in those countries ... I suspect 'wariness' of people from certain places and cultures is long since past inevitable?
On the other hand, I wonder, did you perhaps mean 'wary' of immigrants?
Given the number of individuals who ( to use UK as an example though of course there are others ... Belgium especially springs to mind ) were born in the UK or Belgium and who have committed terrorist atrocities in those countries ... I suspect 'wariness' of people from certain places and cultures is long since past inevitable?
Not only weary, it's outright wrong to go to a place and outright disrespect the established values.
On top of that they insist on theirs and refuse to assimilate.
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I was watching a movie last night when an actor spoke these words"...We are humans but there is no such thing as humanity." I thought, how perfectly correct that is. I shall forever remember that line.
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lindsyjones: If so how.
Some think wars are made to promote greed. Some say it is done to resolve conflict. I say, it's because evil and good exist.
Meantime many innocent lives are lost.
Question is, when it's going to end?
Anyone?
A very sad world we live in. I wish all is peaceful and calm.
Do you?
Some think wars are made to promote greed. Some say it is done to resolve conflict. I say, it's because evil and good exist.
Meantime many innocent lives are lost.
Question is, when it's going to end?
Anyone?
A very sad world we live in. I wish all is peaceful and calm.
Do you?
Some say war is for culling. It will never end. If u read stories, it is said that a select few will leave the earth and travel to a new world that will cater for human life. It will only happen, if possible, when life on earth will be very sparse. Peace is very scarce throughout. Even the most peacefull person cannot handle the disregard.
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If you are referring to "humanity" as survival of our species, then yes, we continue to not only survive but to continue to multiply (7.5 billion and climbing!) We have survived millennia of war and continued to increase in population. It would indeed be nice if life was all peaceful, calm and utopian, but that is, and historically, has always been, a "pipe-dream" Now, if you are referring to humanity in other terms, then I would need to know the definition you wish to put forth,
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lindsyjones: If so how.
Some think wars are made to promote greed. Some say it is done to resolve conflict. I say, it's because evil and good exist.
Meantime many innocent lives are lost.
Question is, when it's going to end?
Anyone?
A very sad world we live in. I wish all is peaceful and calm.
Do you?
Some think wars are made to promote greed. Some say it is done to resolve conflict. I say, it's because evil and good exist.
Meantime many innocent lives are lost.
Question is, when it's going to end?
Anyone?
A very sad world we live in. I wish all is peaceful and calm.
Do you?
The first generation of mankind to have never known a struggle is now retiring. And what dark dreams they have, such macabre fantasy.
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ChesneyChrist: The first generation of mankind to have never known a struggle is now retiring. And what dark dreams they have, such macabre fantasy.
Exlcuding Africa the dirty secret is that the masses of humanity have never had a more pain-free life in the entire of human history. A slight turn for the worse recently but in context the problems of today are nothing. As dark as this hour may seem it's no darker it's not as dark as all the hours of human history.
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TRUMP will save us!!!! Surely he cant get any seedier.
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raphael119: TRUMP will save us!!!! Surely he cant get any seedier.
Fake news..
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Many people will spend their whole life experience seeking happiness for just themselves, the outcome of that sought of self cherishing is constant unhappiness.
Constant thoughts producing ever more suffering within our minds occurs I believe, because we don't examine the interdependent nature of our sufferings.
the other rebirths i refer to appear before our eyes constantly birds, cats, dogs, cows, fish, horse, lion, tiger, butterflies, moth, worms, insects all manner of creature sentient rebirths some think matter less than our very temporary human birth; silly silly thinking
Generally speaking I think that is the sought of ignorant thought process that most hinders our human communities, hinders the ability to develop true compassion towards each other, because no matter where we look (if you look) we can see all sentient beings are suffering.
By examining the nature of the rebirths of other sentient beings including none human clearly evident to us if we look right here on this planet we can learn and apply antidotes to our ills thus its possible to not only experience more lasting happiness we are better able to benefit others, which is actually recommended path to follow...
Since beginningless time without end, i say again, our nature is moving energy (subtle winds) we cannot fathom its beginning and its not possible that energy has an end, change yes but end is an impossibility.
That's what saves humanity its true nature