referendum in spain ( Archived) (106)

Dedovix: Panem et circenses

Bogart_1960: hey, Congo did not ask Belgian or Portuguese (before the Belgians) to "take over", or to join the kingdom(s), . We just went there and invade. brutally. Congo had many kingdoms, as I am sure you know.

regarding Catalonia here are the facts:

1. "In early September, the Catalan government approved several laws that enabled an independence referendum and make it binding. However, the Spanish Supreme Court declared that referendum as suspended because it violates the Spanish constitution which states that Spain is indivisible. Whoever helps to organize this referendum therefore violates the constitution"

2. In 2010 Spain’s Constitutional Court issued a ruling that laid the ground for Sunday’s independence referendum in Catalonia. - Nothing to do with "governments". - read:


3. What makes it illegal:

a. The announcement that Catalonia will declare independence from Spain within 48 hours if voters back secession.

b. Spanish goverment said the unilateral referendum would not be allowed to take place because as it is illegal and a clear breach of the constitution. (makes sense, anyone could declare independence, street, house, etc)

c. In August 2017 Carles Puigdemont called for an independent Catalan Army. (I am sure he wants to be the king too, carles the dotartd). These are the statements: "armies, defence policies, are absolutely indispensable for global combat”.

This is actual Catalonia (and it is not as gold as we might think):

16% of Spain's population live in Catalonia
25.6% of Spain's exports come from Catalonia
19% of Spain's GDP is produced in Catalonia
20.7% of foreign investment in Spain goes to Catalonia
35.3% of Catalonia's GDP is debt


Nothing to do "with corruption money" in the rest of spain. In fact, one of major scandals in Spain, involves catalonia. ‘Palau case’


A survey in June 2017 showed that 49.4% of Catalans were against independence and 41.1% were in favor.




"The Statute has been legally contested by the surrounding Autonomous Communities of Aragon, Balearic Islands and the Valencian Community, as well as by the Partido Popular (at the time the main opposition party at the Spanish Parliament). The objections are based on various topics such as disputed cultural heritage but, especially, on the Statute's alleged breaches of the "solidarity between regions" principle in fiscal and educational matters enshrined by the Spanish Constitution of 1978."



Emotional facts and reality are quite different. regarding police involvement, If someone breaks the law, they're liable to run into conflict with the police. end of "stories".

Btw, I am in favor of federalism, but not morons like Trump, Puigdemont or Bojo. They are dangerous, as they only see their ego, and short time. But i do understand why brixitards and dotartds want Catalonia independent, but not Scotland or Wales.

Len05: thanks for being constructive.
but of the case is so clear.
why not allow?

ali110: whats the Aim of referendum in Spain?

chris27292729: To unite the Catalans with Belochistan.


The saying is right.-

"Ignorance is Bliss"

daniela777: Anyway...latest news..761 injured in hospital 2 seriously..one with heart attack.

It looks like a YES..for independence.