Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN? (67)

May 6, 2017 12:38 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
Lie #3 “Thimerosal is well-tested, having been used for 70 years with no problems.”

The Facts: Thimerosal has never undergone even one modern safety test. It was developed in 1927 and patented by Eli Lilly in 1928. It was first tested on small animals and killed a variety of mice, rabbits and chicks. After the animals died from exposure to Thimerosal, the decision was made to administer it to 22 patients suffering from bacterial meningitis during an epidemic in Indianapolis, Indiana in 1929.

Of the 22 persons given Thimerosal, all died, most within a day or two of administration. The doctor overseeing the trial, on stipend from Eli Lilly, declared that the patients had all died of meningitis and that Thimerosal was not observed to have caused any problem when administered to his patients. With that declaration, and a subsequent one by Eli Lilly staff that Thimerosal has a low order of toxicity for man, even though it killed small animals, Thimerosal was introduced into the drug supply. Yet, despite warnings in the published scientific literature that Thimerosal was toxic, and despite opposition to its use in every decade since, Thimerosal has remained in the drug supply.

The first protest on record against this highly toxic mercury compound was made in 1935 by the Pittman Moore Company which declared that, after testing, it found Thimerosal “was unsuitable as a preservative in serum intended for use in dogs…”

The FDA, passive with regard to safety testing, has never provided the results of appropriate toxicological tests on Thimerosal. Factually, the vaccine makers who use Thimerosal as a preservative are required by law to conduct and submit the results of such safety tests to the FDA before the FDA can legally approve a vaccine. Yet, the FDA has yet to produce even one of these vaccine maker’s toxicity studies, demonstrating Thimerosal safe for administration to humans, despite the fact that these documents have been sought in a court of law.
May 6, 2017 12:39 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
Lie #4 “No published peer-reviewed studies have shown any harm from Thimerosal.”

The Facts: The published scientific literature about Thimerosal can be divided into two distinct sets with opposite conclusions regarding its toxicity.

The first set is comprised of studies directly or indirectly supported by the pharmaceutical industry, showing that “there is no evidence of harm” from Thimerosal. These studies are the ones most often quoted by the Press. Most of these studies are statistical. In many cases, the data from which their conclusions are derived have been ‘lost’ or are unavailable or inconsistent. Significantly, the 2004 Institute of Medicine Vaccine Safety Review Committee, which defended Thimerosal, relied upon such statistical studies rather than the clinical evidence that the committee received.

The second set is comprised of hundreds of independent clinical and statistical studies demonstrating harm from Thimerosal. These studies are seldom quoted by the Press. Authors of these scientific papers include chemists, biologists, physicians and neurologists among others. Federal grants have often funded these studies. However, in many instances, when a researcher has concluded that Thimerosal causes harm, the grant has been withdrawn or ended. In one case, this happened after a researcher found an “autistic-like” condition in developing mice given injected mercury exposures like those human babies received from the CDC’s 1990’s immunization schedule. Independent researchers have lost jobs, been ostracized by peers, and/or had their medical licenses threatened, all because they dared to declare Thimerosal dangerous.

Published studies have shown that Thimerosal and its mercury breakdown product contribute to: Alzheimer’s, Cancer, Autism Spectrum Disorders, Attention Deficit Disorders, Bipolar Disorder, Asthma, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, Arthritis, Food Allergies, Premature Puberty, and Infertility.
May 6, 2017 12:40 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
Lie #5 “No federal statements indicate any cause for concern regarding the continuing use of Thimerosal.”

The Facts: The following critical federal statements testify to the likelihood of egregious conflict of interest and possible collusive activity with regard to the acceptance of Thimerosal by manufacturers, the FDA and the CDC:

After a three-year investigation, a Congressional report released May 2003 by the staff of the Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness, Committee on Government Reform, “Mercury in Medicine” Hearings of the United States House of Representatives stated:

“Thimerosal used as a preservative in vaccines is likely related to the autism epidemic. This epidemic in all probability may have been prevented or curtailed had the FDA not been asleep at the switch regarding the lack of safety data regarding injected thimerosal and the sharp rise of infant exposure to this known neurotoxin. Our public health agencies’ failure to act is indicative of institutional malfeasance for self-protection and misplaced protectionism of the pharmaceutical industry.”

On May 22, 2004, after hundreds of disclosures from citizens to the Office of Special Counsel, US Special Counsel Scott Bloch issued this statement:

“I hasten to add, however, that based on the publicly available information…it appears there may be sufficient evidence to find a substantial likelihood of a substantial and specific danger to the public health caused by the use of thimerosal/mercury in vaccines because of its inherent toxicity.”

On July 15, 2005, Liz Birt, J.D., L.L.M., (former legal counsel to the Government Reform Committee, US House of Representatives) and Jim Moody, J.D., in a letter to Lauren Fuller, Chief Investigative Counsel, United States Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (H.E.L.P.) Committee outlined a “Thimerosal Timeline” and a “Statement of Criminal Charges” against specific Federal Officials, including the following:

“FDA: Criminal negligence in not instituting a Class I recall of all vaccines administered to infants containing Thimerosal in July of 1999 and again in June of 2000…”

On July 19, 2004, Michael E. Little, Deputy Inspector General for Investigations in the Office of the Inspector General for the Department of Health and Human Services, in a letter to Rev. Lisa K. Sykes, stated:

“…we have determined that your above allegation (that Thimerosal is being used in order to increase the manufacturer’s profit margins) represents a potential conflict-of-interest issue which may be criminal in nature…”
May 6, 2017 12:40 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
Lie #6 “Individuals who oppose the use of mercury in medicine are anti-vaccine.”

The Facts: Contrary to sound bites you hear on the nightly news, to be “anti-mercury” is not to be “anti-vaccine.” In fact, by advocating this common-sense measure of removing mercury to ensure the safety of vaccines, anti-mercury advocates are actually championing vaccine safety. The Vaccine Program of this nation should not be a delivery system for a poison. Those arguing against the unnecessary use of a known neurotoxin in the vaccine/drug supply are seeking to safeguard public confidence in the vaccine program, not destroy it. Anti-mercury advocates want vaccines to be produced with non-toxic preservatives or, better yet, with no preservatives using clean manufacturing processes, a realistic and viable option in developed nations since the 1980s.

Tragically, in the face of catastrophic liability, those who defend mercury as a part of medicine are failing to correct a grave mistake. This mistake is a clear and present danger to the public and, especially, to the children. Inertia and denial in the federal government and in industry are contributing to the medical community’s protecting the place of mercury in medicine rather than protecting the health and safety of patients. This ordering of priorities is unethical.

If left uncorrected, this situation will continue to destroy public confidence in our national vaccine programs as more and more people realize that the escalating rates of chronic illness and developmental disorders are associated with Thimerosal, an unnecessary and indefensible part of our vaccines. Importantly, we are not assessing what the injuries already caused by Thimerosal will do to our nation’s future productivity with the government-admitted rate of 1-in-every-6 children being diagnosed with a developmental or behavioral disorder in 2004. Advocates calling for the removal and ban of the use of mercury are seeking to avoid an impending public health crisis by assuring that, immediately, vaccines are: a) made safer and b) manufactured according to all the current applicable federal safety regulations — not the non-existent drug safety laws of 1929!
May 6, 2017 12:41 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
Lie #7 “The movement to ban mercury from medicine is comprised of ‘hysterical’ parents who wrongly blame vaccines for their children’s autism.”

The Facts: Parents of mercury-injured children continue to argue tirelessly that unnecessarily exposing a child, in utero or after birth to mercury, is an avoidable risk. They know this avoidable risk is logically associated with the onset of neurodevelopmental and other disorders. With no compelling reason to use an ineffective neurotoxin as a preservative, and every reason, based on Thimerosal’s demonstrated toxicity, to eliminate it, parents make a logical, reasoned argument for banning Thimerosal from medicine –especially from vaccines intended for our children whose brains are still developing.

A growing number of informed physicians, politicians, and independent scientists are joining in this no-nonsense argument for placing the well-being of children first, above the profit margins of manufacturers. These professionals and, now, the faith community have joined in the call for “Protecting Children from Mercury-containing Drugs.”

On April 29, 2008, the General Conference of the United Methodist Church, representing 11.5-million persons of the Christian Faith, adopted a statement of the same name as a global and historic resolution of the denomination. This resolution calls upon the World Health Organization, international and national health officials/agencies, including the US Secretary of Health and Human Services, the FDA and the CDC to:

immediately prioritize mercury-free stocks of vaccines and other pharmaceutical products for pregnant women, newborn infants and children;
provide “the opportunity of informed consent” and promote product education to individuals about mercury exposure through their pharmaceutical products or vaccines, detailing the known risks of toxicity and Federal Safety Guidelines for exposure to mercury; and
And it further resolves, that:

“until mercury is banned from medicine, the medical missions, hospitals, clinics and ministries of The United Methodist Church strongly encourage use of mercury-free vaccines over mercury-containing ones. Acknowledging the difficulties in some contexts, we strongly urge that other organizations who are responsible for immunization efforts to prevent disease such as the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunizations, United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), Rotary International, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, as well as any other organization from which vaccines are purchased, join The United Methodist Church in the educating the public about and advocating for mercury-free drugs and vaccines.”

With this bold witness by the United Methodist Church, the attempt by parent-advocates and others to ban mercury from medicine has appropriately grown into a social justice movement. It is now the community of faith, which esteems each life a priceless gift from God, which will lead this urgent public health reform.
May 6, 2017 12:42 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
Lie #8 “Autism is genetic.”

The Facts: Billions of dollars are being spent trying to prove that the autism epidemic is genetic. “Genetic drift,” the amount genes change over time, is 1% per 100 years. Therefore, with such a slow pace of change, there can be no such thing as a sudden ‘genetic epidemic.’ While a rare type of genetic autism may exist (at the background rate of ‘1 in 10,000’), the autism epidemic (at about ‘1 in 100’) cannot be due to genetic drift.

In addition, if autism were genetic, because it affects more males than females, geneticists teach us that it would have to be to an X-chromosome-linked disorder. (Girls, having two X chromosomes, would then have a redundant good chromosome, so the disorder would not manifest as often in females as in males who have only one X chromosome.) For a girl to have autism then, she would need to receive a defective X-chromosome from each parent, meaning they both carried the defect. The problem lies in the fact that if the father has the defect to pass onto his daughter, and it is on his only X-chromosome, then he should be affected by the disorder as well. Since autistic daughters rarely, if ever, have autistic fathers, the theory that “autism is genetic” fails because its claim does not match the empirical evidence.

There are two main recognized causes for any epidemic: an infectious agent or a widespread toxic exposure. Autism is due to the latter. Corresponding to the sharply increasing level of mercury in the immunization schedule globally, which started in the late 1980’s, there has been an increasing rate of autism among children. This also explains why autism among 40-, 50-, 60-, 70- and 80-year-olds is not epidemic, but rather rare. Those over 30 did not routinely get levels of vaccine-related mercury exposure high enough to cause autism.

Only when autism is understood as a widespread toxic exposure, can you explain the fact that everywhere boys are affected about 4 times more often with this disorder than girls. Researchers have established that testosterone increases the toxicity of mercury, while estrogen protects from it. Therefore, at the level contained in our vaccines, mercury affects boys disproportionately due to their having higher testosterone levels. This is what creates the ‘4 to 1’ ratio of males to females affected by the level of mercury poisoning in our children that is labeled as autism.

While there are many contributing and lesser sources of environmental mercury exposure, the one which precipitously and simultaneously changed with the advent of the autism epidemic was the mercury exposure from the increasing number of Thimerosal-preserved vaccines in the CDC’s recommended childhood vaccination schedules. Those children with a higher sensitivity to mercury and/or a higher level of exposure are those most impacted by this increased exposure to vaccine mercury. This is why not all children who received mercury-preserved vaccines are autistic: while the autism epidemic is not genetic, susceptibility to mercury poisoning has a strong genetic component and is unique for each individual!
May 6, 2017 12:43 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
Lie #9 “Since mercury was removed from vaccines, autism has increased, so Thimerosal cannot be the cause of the autism epidemic.”

In the face of such a statement, one must ask whether the mercury has truly been removed from vaccines in the country referenced. Then, one must ask from what year the sample rates under discussion were taken. The current rate given in the American media is about ‘1 in 100’. This rate is based upon statistics from children born in 1998. In regard to this particular rate and year, it reflects a time when mercury had not been removed in the United States, and the ‘1 in 100’ rate is actually not a new measure, but rather a crude estimate from among the peak years of mercury exposure in the American early childhood immunization schedule.

In assessing more current rates of autism, computed based on data from 2002 on, remember that while mercury was removed from many early childhood vaccines, it was reintroduced at the preservative level into the childhood schedule in the form of the seasonal and, later, the H1N1 flu vaccines. With each passing year since, more flu shots have been recommended, and the categories of persons who should take them, based on health conditions and age, have been expanded. So, continuing diagnosis rates for autism and other chronic illnesses simply reflect the continuing presence of mercury in the current vaccine supply to the present day.

Some foreign studies which claim that the autism rate increased after Thimerosal was removed are equally misleading. From Denmark, for example, a study actually began by counting only children with autism who were institutionalized.

Then when the government announced the Thimerosal had been removed from vaccines, suddenly home-bound children with autism were added to the count. Therefore, the number of children diagnosed with autism in the study did rise ‘once the mercury was removed’ – not because more children were diagnosed but only because more with diagnoses were counted! Studies such as these are known as “Garbage in-Garbage out” studies. When the basis of a study changes in the middle and this fact is omitted from its publicized results, then the perception created by the study is false.

What we do know is that the factual and complete removal of mercury from the vaccine/drug supply would tell us, definitively, if mercury caused the autism epidemic. Sadly, such attempts to completely withdraw Thimerosal have met with loud objections from the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Medical Association, the Institute of Medicine of the United States National Academy of Sciences, and others. These organizations, as well as our national health agencies, have actually lobbied federal and state officials to keep Thimerosal in vaccines.

Among the Amish who do not vaccinate, the rate of autism is strikingly low. Among those Pennsylvania Amish children actually diagnosed with autism, three were adopted and had received their vaccines prior to adoption, and one lived down-wind of a coal-burning power plant. Such anecdotal evidence suggests that the increases in recommended mercury-containing vaccines are causally related to the autism epidemic.
May 6, 2017 4:56 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
Its always going to be a challenge, merging science with a belief system. Scientific law and statistical confidence intervals, versus Government conspiracies and big pharma...

I think the simplest way of looking at a lot of these issues, is to ask what benefit is gained, and by whom. Sure, the Syrian Government would be a statistical outlyer, but in general how does a Government benefit from having a lot more disabled and dependent people? Indeed, how does big pharma? So Proctor and Gamble does all the hard work making heaps of disabled people, then Pfizer comes in and rakes up all the profits? They are actually competing private enterprises.

But as they say, dont let the truth get in the way of a good story.
May 6, 2017 5:03 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
BritishLondon
BritishLondonBritishLondonManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK323 Posts
Ban medicine to encourage people to become immortal!
May 6, 2017 8:19 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
sergio09
sergio09sergio09Knoxville, Tennessee USA31 Threads 901 Posts
I had all my vaccinations when I grew up..it was mandatory.
My children were vaccinated when they went to school and when they traveled abroad..it was mandatory.
No one died!
I would support mandatory vaccinations today. Your right to choose, does not invalidate my childs right to safety.


JMO
May 6, 2017 8:25 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
If they established a town and school where nobody was immunised against anything, my guess is that the anti-vaxers would find a reason/conspiracy theory not to live there.
May 6, 2017 8:54 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
this vaccination stuff is real contentious...

first off in the US we wiped out, eradicated every disease known to man
with the cost of some deaths and side effects back in the 60's.

what flipped everything was when the libtards allowed turd world criminals
& kids in here illegally, snuck em in, flew em in under the cover of darkness,..

NOW turd world diseases are running rampant in the US school system, infecting
a whole new generation...all done by global design...

vaccinations were not that good back in the 60's but at least they were made
in the US and we had testing and inspection's of what we were making.

there is no telling where these vaccinations are made today and the pharmaceutical
companies have bribed congress to make themselves Not liable for any screwups/mistakes
& culpability they undoubtedly would have incurred.

And injecting kids with mercury is a freakin crime.
May 7, 2017 11:26 AM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
sergio09: I had all my vaccinations when I grew up..it was mandatory.
My children were vaccinated when they went to school and when they traveled abroad..it was mandatory.
No one died!
I would support mandatory vaccinations today. Your right to choose, does not invalidate my childs right to safety.


JMO




If the vaccines you give your children work...


How can my children not being vaccinated invalidate your child's right to safety?
May 7, 2017 11:48 AM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
sergio09
sergio09sergio09Knoxville, Tennessee USA31 Threads 901 Posts
mykingdomforanam: If the vaccines you give your children work...


How can my children not being vaccinated invalidate your child's right to safety?
.


Maybe, I should have said "other kids" rather than "my kids"
May 7, 2017 3:31 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
sergio09: .


Maybe, I should have said "other kids" rather than "my kids"




Ok...


If the vaccines other people give their children work...


How can my children not being vaccinated invalidate any child's right to safety?
May 7, 2017 7:19 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
studies do prove that Chronic illness is higher in Vaccinated children,.
but then Pharmakaia is designed to create a problem to make more money on the back end.




Vaccinated children were significantly more likely than the unvaccinated to have been diagnosed with the following: allergic rhinitis (10.4% vs. 0.4%, p <0.001; OR 30.1, 95% CI: 4.1, 219.3), other allergies (22.2% vs. 6.9%, p <0.001; OR 3.9, 95% CI: 2.3, 6.6), eczema/atopic dermatitis (9.5% vs. 3.6%, p = 0.035; OR 2.9, 95% CI: 1.4, 6.1), a learning disability (5.7% vs. 1.2%, p = 0.003; OR 5.2, 95% CI: 1.6, 17.4), ADHD (4.7% vs. 1.0%, p = 0.013; OR 4.2, 95% CI: 1.2, 14.5), ASD (4.7% vs. 1.0%, p = 0.013; OR 4.2, 95% CI: 1.2, 14.5), any neurodevelopmental disorder (i.e., learning disability, ADHD or ASD) (10.5% vs. 3.1%, p <0.001; OR 3.7, 95% CI: 1.7, 7.9) and any chronic illness (44.0% vs. 25.0%, p <0.001; OR 2.4, 95% CI: 1.7, 3.3). No significant differences were observed with regard to cancer, chronic fatigue, conduct disorder, Crohn’s disease, depression, Types 1
May 7, 2017 8:27 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
So thats an open access scientific publisher, and a pilot study.

A peer-reviewed scientific journal article, with a well-designed survey, is quite a different animal... And I suspect would gain a different result.
May 7, 2017 10:27 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
rizlaredonline today!
rizlaredonline today!rizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
crayons: studies do prove that Chronic illness is higher in Vaccinated children,.
but then Pharmakaia is designed to create a problem to make more money on the back end.




Vaccinated children were significantly more likely than the unvaccinated to have been diagnosed with the following: allergic rhinitis (10.4% vs. 0.4%, p <0.001; OR 30.1, 95% CI: 4.1, 219.3), other allergies (22.2% vs. 6.9%, p <0.001; OR 3.9, 95% CI: 2.3, 6.6), eczema/atopic dermatitis (9.5% vs. 3.6%, p = 0.035; OR 2.9, 95% CI: 1.4, 6.1), a learning disability (5.7% vs. 1.2%, p = 0.003; OR 5.2, 95% CI: 1.6, 17.4), ADHD (4.7% vs. 1.0%, p = 0.013; OR 4.2, 95% CI: 1.2, 14.5), ASD (4.7% vs. 1.0%, p = 0.013; OR 4.2, 95% CI: 1.2, 14.5), any neurodevelopmental disorder (i.e., learning disability, ADHD or ASD) (10.5% vs. 3.1%, p <0.001; OR 3.7, 95% CI: 1.7, 7.9) and any chronic illness (44.0% vs. 25.0%, p <0.001; OR 2.4, 95% CI: 1.7, 3.3). No significant differences were observed with regard to cancer, chronic fatigue, conduct disorder, Crohn’s disease, depression, Types 1


You think a survey of only 666 subjects gives a true result?

It proves nothing other than the final sentence where it states "Further research involving larger, independent samples and stronger research designs is needed to verify and understand these unexpected findings in order to optimize the impact of vaccines on children’s health."
May 7, 2017 10:29 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
rizlaredonline today!
rizlaredonline today!rizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
rizlared: You think a survey of only 666 subjects gives a true result?

It proves nothing other than the final sentence where it states "Further research involving larger, independent samples and stronger research designs is needed to verify and understand these unexpected findings in order to optimize the impact of vaccines on children’s health."


Forgot to add.

If we can take advantage of vaccines it could save millions of lives, not to mention reduce the financial burden on worldwide hospital treatment.

"So far only one disease, smallpox, has been eradicated by vaccines, saving approximately 5 million lives annually.

Polio could be next. Over 80% of the world's children are now being immunized against the polio virus, and the annual number of cases has been cut from 400,000 in 1980 to 90,000 in the mid-1990s. If the year 2000 goal of eradicating polio is achieved, the United States will be able to save the $270 million a year that is currently spent on polio vaccination. The savings for Western European countries will amount to about $200 million a year.

Measles, currently killing 1.1 million children a year, is another possible candidate for eradication. Once high levels of routine immunization have been achieved, national immunization days, followed by close monitoring and 'blitzing' of any outbreaks, can eliminate the disease.

In all, vaccines have brought seven major human diseases under some degree of control - smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, yellow fever, whooping cough, polio, and measles."
May 8, 2017 2:53 AM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
Definately not professor
May 8, 2017 11:01 AM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
rizlared: Forgot to add.



In all, vaccines have brought seven major human diseases under some degree of control - smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, yellow fever, whooping cough, polio, and measles."


'were under control or eradicated'...but thanks to the lucy globalists open border projects, many eradicated diseases are back in full swing here in US public schools...
Years and years of effort went down the drain thanks to global immigrant policies.

also children born in higher income areas/& families are not held to the dangerous
multiple vaccination schedules,

and i dont have a problem with open source studies...as they are ongoing, always adding more participants/data...unlike closed manipulated fact sheets controlled by corporate pharmakaia entities...
May 8, 2017 11:13 AM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
Well, effectively you're accepting anything anybody says as gospel. I could do up a graph, that perfectly correlates the decline of piracy with global warming, or ice cream consumption and drowning. Thats an example of poor survey design, attributing causality where there is none. It wouldnt fly in the science world, but I bet I could word it so it got through on that site...
May 8, 2017 12:45 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
pat8lanips: Well, effectively you're accepting anything anybody says as gospel. I could do up a graph, that perfectly correlates the decline of piracy with global warming, or ice cream consumption and drowning. Thats an example of poor survey design, attributing causality where there is none. It wouldnt fly in the science world, but I bet I could word it so it got through on that site...
it got y'all goin didn't it?

bottom line; nothing has changed much in the last 70 years or so
as far as using mercury, formaldehyde, bovine parts, monkey parts, chicken eggs, etc.
except now they add aborted fetus cells...it all still sounds like witches brew...

the only difference is back in the late 50's early 60's if ya died you died,
not much of a stink; lots of large families back then...today with older mothers who stop working only to have "one child" all this becomes more contentious.
May 8, 2017 7:15 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
DaMooseLives
DaMooseLivesDaMooseLivesWestlock, Alberta Canada16 Threads 619 Posts
sergio09: I had all my vaccinations when I grew up..it was mandatory.
My children were vaccinated when they went to school and when they traveled abroad..it was mandatory.
No one died!
I would support mandatory vaccinations today. Your right to choose, does not invalidate my childs right to safety.


JMO


It was mandatory in my day as well....first needle was 1959. However, the needles I got were for the big boy diseases....smallpox, polio....stuff like that, Chickenpox, Mumps, Measles....lol....got to do some travelling to get exposed and catch the disease as a young one to develop immunity. I personally do not give a crap what people want to do, but if I see "body armour" lying around before a major fight I am very prone to adorn myself with it. If one of your progeny succumbs to a fatal disease that vaccines were available for - that was your choice...imho
May 8, 2017 7:59 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
i've had multiple vac's; and i don't like em.
prefer liquid vitamins.

But i dare some of you YA'hoo's to take an
anthrax shot(((laughin)))
May 8, 2017 8:06 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
DaMooseLives
DaMooseLivesDaMooseLivesWestlock, Alberta Canada16 Threads 619 Posts
crayons: i've had multiple vac's; and i don't like em.
prefer liquid vitamins.

But i dare some of you YA'hoo's to take an
anthrax shot(((laughin)))


I have had acellular anthrax vaccination...I previously worked in wilderness regions where bison were prone to brucellosis and anthrax. Glad it wasn't live spore like the Russians use! Worst shot ever? Fricking Yellow Fever!!!
May 8, 2017 8:12 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
crayons: it got y'all goin didn't it?

bottom line; nothing has changed much in the last 70 years or so
as far as using mercury, formaldehyde, bovine parts, monkey parts, chicken eggs, etc.
except now they add aborted fetus cells...it all still sounds like witches brew...

the only difference is back in the late 50's early 60's if ya died you died,
not much of a stink; lots of large families back then...today with older mothers who stop working only to have "one child" all this becomes more contentious.



But I would say if you had a large family because you expect a few to die from preventable diseases, it would still make sense to vaccinate them all so they dont make each other sick.

As for the ingredients, there are plenty of things you'd be horrified to see what goes into. Sausages, meat pies, tomato sauce, salamis and processed meat, powdered milk, margarine, and the list goes on...
May 8, 2017 8:35 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
pat8lanips: But I would say if you had a large family because you expect a few to die from preventable diseases, it would still make sense to vaccinate them all so they dont make each other sick.

As for the ingredients, there are plenty of things you'd be horrified to see what goes into. Sausages, meat pies, tomato sauce, salamis and processed meat, powdered milk, margarine, and the list goes on...


We All had our shots back in the late 50's and sixty's and all was not fun,,,
some of us died, one of the clan actually contracted polio from the shot; it went on and on...no different than whats happening today. it's just we didn't think too much about it.

that being said i still live in the country, and we dont eat processed meat, powdered eggs; powdered milk, margarine etc...

And we dont act like the welfare globohomo walmart welfare on the dole crowd.
comprende?
May 8, 2017 11:35 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
I'm stealing globohomo, Once I work out how to use it in context...


What it boils down to- anything that can cause change, can also cause harm. Smarter minds than mine weigh up the pro's and con's of both the change and the harm, and go from there.

What about the story of thalidomide? the antidepressant for pregnant women that made them have babies with no arms... Its now completely banned in Australia for many years, but now they've discovered its effective for MS or something like that. But they cant do anything with it because its completely banned.
May 8, 2017 11:46 PM CST Do you VACCINATE your CHILDREN?
rizlaredonline today!
rizlaredonline today!rizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
crayons: 'were under control or eradicated'...but thanks to the lucy globalists open border projects, many eradicated diseases are back in full swing here in US public schools...
Years and years of effort went down the drain thanks to global immigrant policies.

also children born in higher income areas/& families are not held to the dangerous
multiple vaccination schedules,

and i dont have a problem with open source studies...as they are ongoing, always adding more participants/data...unlike closed manipulated fact sheets controlled by corporate pharmakaia entities...

And possibly by those who travelled to foreign countries, didn't take advice against booster shots to prevent contracting certain diseases and brought that back to the USA.

Not everything wrong is caused by globalisation!
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