Some may call it a stupid question. The topic of drug use came up in a conversation, and I was told how people should be allowed to make their own decisions on their use of drugs.
DedovixBig Place, Central Serbia Serbia5,492 posts
sounds as a good idea and im sure that organized crime, crime lords,cia and god knows all the names of organization ...would have no objections of losing several billions ...
I do't know about legalizing that sheet but i don't want to see the rest of the usa do like Californians have done and let the government provide free needles and crack pipes everywhere. Regardless, "I don't want it near schools! I don't want it sold to children! That's an infamia,"
Legalization has already happened...I thinking of Portugal...crime has dropped...changing from a money centric ideal to helping addicts ween of drugs...or at least functioning adults...able to work...get medical health if psychologically unwell...but nothing is perfect...a good way for other countries to see if legalization works...
loulou77: Legalization has already happened...I thinking of Portugal...crime has dropped...changing from a money centric ideal to helping addicts ween of drugs...or at least functioning adults...able to work...get medical health if psychologically unwell...but nothing is perfect...a good way for other countries to see if legalization works...
interesting most of my shoes are made in Portugal... love them!
Sure, why not... I will be delighted to know my surgeon had a few lines the night before my surgery...or the pilot had a joint to ease the pressure before the flight... What about the teacher, explaining to my kid the positives of getting stoned?! Oh, wait, I can rely on their conscience
Yes, in Portugal drugs are decriminalised... Since the 2000s, Mexican drug cartels including Joaquín 'El Chapo' Guzmán's Sinaloa Cartel, Los Zetas, and the Gulf Cartel, have been establishing their presence in Portugal. Yet, Portugal's law removed incarceration, but people caught possessing or using illicit drugs may be penalised by regional panels made up of social workers, medical professionals and drug experts. The panels can refer people to drug treatment programs, hand out fines or impose community service... And the question is why no other country followed Portugal's example? Because it is not as good as it is made believe...
I'm not interested in throwing addicts in jail, however, I reckon that full legalisation would to a legal version of preying on losers. Suits pushing drugs harder than the dealers ever did using the government, courts and media that they own.
ChesneyChrist: I'm not interested in throwing addicts in jail, however, I reckon that full legalisation would to a legal version of preying on losers. Suits pushing drugs harder than the dealers ever did using the government, courts and media that they own.
Basically put I'm skeptical of it turning out like Portugal and actually becoming more like the opioid crisis in America. The law will be used by the forces of corruption to prey upon losers in a way that would make a heroin dealer blush.
legalizing illegal drugs is a sign of stupidity of any city state or country. the druggies end up loosing money. then u would basically also have to go thru the system and throw out millions of drug cases.
considering very strong prescription drugs are available to some and they also get sold on the black market...i think it's happen already....they just use a different name and it's just tablets instead of needles
blathin: On the contrary, that says more about your character, attitude and your mean spirited nature than it does about the OP and/or his question.
And far from being a stupid question it's actually a really really important one.
It's not the drug addicts that have turned your neighbourhood into a slum, they're symptomatic.
As someone else on here said (sorry I can't remember your name), Portugal is the country to look to for one answer at least. So far their strategy is working really well and as a result many other countries have been/ are watching with interest. I was watching documentary on this a few years ago and it's incredible what they've achieved and how many (addicts) lives they've changed for the better as a result...
Have you ever been around people dependent on drugs, Blathin? The win in Portugal is that less die of overdose and bad quality drugs... The presence of all serious drug cartels there isn't something that deserves admiration. If your child or someone close to you starts taking drugs you won't be so relaxed about the topic.
Ten_of_cupss: Have you ever been around people dependent on drugs, Blathin? The win in Portugal is that less die of overdose and bad quality drugs... The presence of all serious drug cartels there isn't something that deserves admiration. If your child or someone close to you starts taking drugs you won't be so relaxed about the topic.
I think we're all surrounded by people heavily dependent on drugs. Casual recreational drug use in the norm in society, even you admit on your profile to occasionally taking a recreational drug.
lonelytiger68: legalizing illegal drugs is a sign of stupidity of any city state or country. the druggies end up loosing money. then u would basically also have to go thru the system and throw out millions of drug cases.
What about when alcohol was an illegal drug? The era of prohibition?
At the end of the progressive era they tried to instill an age of discipline that resulted in two world wars and the Holocaust. The establishment was terrified of the freedoms and luxuries that modern society made possible so it manufactured a crisis to get people when they're down. How else do we turn people into a stern father without vital reason? Invent a reason to be punitive and unkind because nothing a lowlife likes more than lowering the status of other lowlifes.
I have seen and heard much about the illegal drug issue throughout America lately. It's in away an interesting question, as to legalize or have stricter punishments brought down on the users and dealers. Anyway, it was interesting reading different view points.
At any rate if you must have strict laws then you need to do it through crime detection. It's that people think they're going to get caught which deters crime not the harsh punishment that comes with being really bad at catching criminals. The will to let's just say guilty and cut out their tongue that so often comes with not really knowing if you've got the right guy. To deter crime you need to make it understood that people who are actually guilty can be caught rather than mutilating the guy who probably didn't do it but you desperately need the result.
But unfortunately this isn't the way it goes. Being strict, punishing people brutally, and not really knowing/caring if you've got the right guy come in a package. That making an example of someone has the opposite effect, it's an example to all the guilty that they're no better off being innocent. It's worse than doesn't work.
bodleing2: I think we're all surrounded by people heavily dependent on drugs. Casual recreational drug use in the norm in society, even you admit on your profile to occasionally taking a recreational drug.
I am not surrounded by such people, nobody in my family drinks or takes any substances. I am an ex smoker and "rarely" for me means I do not drink alcohol... I've seen how easy the "recreational" drug use turns into a violent or downgrading event when I lived abroad... Have you seen the reality of legalising drugs? The fentanyl crisis in USA? Just because you think it is harmless doesn't mean it really is...
Ten_of_cupss: I am not surrounded by such people, nobody in my family drinks or takes any substances. I am an ex smoker and "rarely" for me means I do not drink alcohol... I've seen how easy the "recreational" drug use turns into a violent or downgrading event when I lived abroad... Have you seen the reality of legalising drugs? The fentanyl crisis in USA? Just because you think it is harmless doesn't mean it really is...
We've seen over the years making drugs illegal does not work, it just creates criminals and crimnal behaviour. What would be a better approach would be trying to find out why so many people need to use so many drugs. Criminalising and jailing people who have become addicted to drugs is just not the answer. It's a bit like pulling countless people out of a river without bothering to go upstream to see why they're falling in. It's not so much the use of drugs that's the problem, more the misuse and the most commonly misused drug by far is alcohol. The figures for alcohol related deaths and injuries are horrific, not to mention the damage to society that it causes. Society has a drug problem, that's for sure, be it recreational or medicinal, but prohibition hasn't worked and probably never will. A new approach has to be found, de-criminalisation has to be looked at and considered.
bodleing2: We've seen over the years making drugs illegal does not work, it just creates criminals and crimnal behaviour. What would be a better approach would be trying to find out why so many people need to use so many drugs. Criminalising and jailing people who have become addicted to drugs is just not the answer. It's a bit like pulling countless people out of a river without bothering to go upstream to see why they're falling in. It's not so much the use of drugs that's the problem, more the misuse and the most commonly misused drug by far is alcohol. The figures for alcohol related deaths and injuries are horrific, not to mention the damage to society that it causes. Society has a drug problem, that's for sure, be it recreational or medicinal, but prohibition hasn't worked and probably never will. A new approach has to be found, de-criminalisation has to be looked at and considered.
I advice you to watch some documentaries from the last few months, especially about USA... 100 000 deaths a year from overdose which are known, imagine how many more unknown... Alcohol and cigarettes can not be compared to drugs, Fentanyl for example, as cheap as 10$ is 50 times stronger than heroin... We are missing the point here. Decriminalising the drugs will not make the use less attractive... On a contrary, many will go down that path out of life struggle because it will be easier to stone yourself with a 10$ drug. Cheap and strong drug will overshadow the alcohol and cigarette appeal... And when legalised it will be even cheaper. Desperation and deepening economic crisis will lead to more and more addicts, legal or not...
Ten_of_cupss: You still cannot compare it to drugs, sorry..
I havn't read past your first sentence.
What part of "cigarettes and alcobol are drugs" don't you understand.
If the hysterical anti drug lobby could accept that many of those calling for tougher sentences for drug users are also drug users, maybe a sensible debate could take place and move things forward in the right direction.
Track16: Hard drugs are destructive. It rewires your mind, turns you from a normal person into a hateful angry skeet with a severe addiction problem. I see no reason why it should be legal. I would like to see it decriminalized though, lot of people been after dying because they od'd and their buddies were too afraid of going to jail to get help. It needs to remain illegal though,
I agree decriminalising may help users... But still we need to concentrate on making the society a better place for people who need help before they even reach for the drugs. Take care of the cause and not try to make the horror of the consequence look less ugly. People would not need drugs if they were not alone in their struggle.
Ten_of_cupss: I agree decriminalising may help users... But still we need to concentrate on making the society a better place for people who need help before they even reach for the drugs. Take care of the cause and not try to make the horror of the consequence look less ugly. People would not need drugs if they were not alone in their struggle.
Thats what I always said. I end up into drugs because I didn't know any better and I was looking for a escape from my life. Fix the issues that make people turn to drugs and you will see far less people into it. Education and a better society would go a long way.
yeah, let's see how many more people can kill themselves on opioids....
on the surface doesn't seem like a very good idea. Very high probability of people killing themselves on drug interaction based on what they may ingest.
Yes it should give the family. A day. To remember. All sitting. Down. At the table. In the garden. You .your wife your four young children. Your parents . Yout wife's parents.......your youngest child sitting. In their high chair....all sitting there with two straws up their. Nose.s. Waiting for the man to deliver a bowl of cocaine. To snort.........a good baby .is a happy baby after a good snort. o
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The topic of drug use came up in a conversation, and I was told how people should be allowed to make their own decisions on their use of drugs.