Obama Rocks! Is Obama a great president or would McCain be better? (797)
FallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 PostsIs that so though Wish? I haven't heard any reporting of anybody in any country promising immediate relief. Best I have heard anywhere was Obama's tiny little hint of the first signs of the crisis bottoming out. I don't know if there was any alternative to the course of action taken by the US and internationally but it sounds like they are trying to learn the lessons from the great depression of the thirties. I suspect it is not an exact science though.
WhatUwish4: If you want to talk about treason..just take a look back at what was said and done by liberals during the GWB administration. It was far more outrageous and damaging...not to GWB but to our nation in general.
I wouldn't defend for a minute some of the stuff said about Bush. Much of it was justified though. I think the difference (now) is that Bush made his decisions and then was opposed by those who disagreed. Obama has a lot of opponents who don't seem to care what he does....it is all bad. It also seems that many don't accept the clearcut outcome of the election.
Still....people are entitled to be worried and critical of what he does. If it works...great.....if not....I don't know what plan B is but I don't see Obama's critics producing one.
Fallingman: Is that so though Wish? I haven't heard any reporting of anybody in any country promising immediate relief. Best I have heard anywhere was Obama's tiny little hint of the first signs of the crisis bottoming out. I don't know if there was any alternative to the course of action taken by the US and internationally but it sounds like they are trying to learn the lessons from the great depression of the thirties. I suspect it is not an exact science though.
Here is a direct link to Obama's own website. Just take a minute and read paragraph 4.
or...Headlines like this...
"GOVERNOR PATERSON CALLS FOR IMMEDIATE FISCAL RELIEF FOR STATES THROUGH SECOND FEDERAL STIMULUS PACKAGE"
There are thousands of other videos an quotes from everyone involved in the "stimulus" fiasco... But you have to remember that they ALL GOT CAUGHT allocating trillions of these stimulus dollars to their pet projects that had NOTHING to do with economic stimulus. In other words, it was all a crock of sh##. To my way of thinking they lost every ounce of credibility they never had.
Fallingman: I wouldn't defend for a minute some of the stuff said about Bush. Much of it was justified though. I think the difference (now) is that Bush made his decisions and then was opposed by those who disagreed. Obama has a lot of opponents who don't seem to care what he does....it is all bad. It also seems that many don't accept the clearcut outcome of the election.
Still....people are entitled to be worried and critical of what he does. If it works...great.....if not....I don't know what plan B is but I don't see Obama's critics producing one.
Still....people are entitled to be worried and critical of what he does. If it works...great.....if not....I don't know what plan B is but I don't see Obama's critics producing one.
The difference is that Obama and Congress have completely ignored the republican proposals and have basically shut them out of the discussions. They also have completely ignored the will of the people who are so outraged they are having "Tea Parties" all over the country.
How loud do we have to scream before he listens???
WhatUwish4: The difference is that Obama and Congress have completely ignored the republican proposals and have basically shut them out of the discussions. They also have completely ignored the will of the people who are so outraged they are having "Tea Parties" all over the country.
How loud do we have to scream before he listens???
How loud do we have to scream before he listens???
The answer to that is that he and congress are not going to listen because it does not suit their agenda. "We the people" mean nothing to them.
And by the way...I'm quite certain he will throw Europe under the bus just as he's thrown every other associate or group (including Americans) under the bus. The minute Europe or anyone else fails to suit his agenda...he'll be the first to plow right through you.
Better think about that
And by the way...I'm quite certain he will throw Europe under the bus just as he's thrown every other associate or group (including Americans) under the bus. The minute Europe or anyone else fails to suit his agenda...he'll be the first to plow right through you.
Better think about that
Hello Dori!
I know...
Obviously it bothers me, too. But I'll find something cheefull to post later on. HAve to run for the moment!
I know...
Obviously it bothers me, too. But I'll find something cheefull to post later on. HAve to run for the moment! WhatUwish4: The difference is that Obama and Congress have completely ignored the republican proposals and have basically shut them out of the discussions. They also have completely ignored the will of the people who are so outraged they are having "Tea Parties" all over the country.
How loud do we have to scream before he listens???
How loud do we have to scream before he listens???
I don't believe the Republicans have put forward any serious proposals....all they did was pretend they didn't lose the election and put forward the same discredited agenda as before.
WhatUwish4: The answer to that is that he and congress are not going to listen because it does not suit their agenda. "We the people" mean nothing to them.
And by the way...I'm quite certain he will throw Europe under the bus just as he's thrown every other associate or group (including Americans) under the bus. The minute Europe or anyone else fails to suit his agenda...he'll be the first to plow right through you.
Better think about that
And by the way...I'm quite certain he will throw Europe under the bus just as he's thrown every other associate or group (including Americans) under the bus. The minute Europe or anyone else fails to suit his agenda...he'll be the first to plow right through you.
Better think about that
I don't have to think about it at all. I am not Dude and don't have the same incredible faith in Obama being the one to save us all. He may be the only one who CAN save us all but he is first and foremost a clever US politician. He will do what he thinks has to be done in the interests of the US.
Americans go on and on in these forums and elsewhere about how good they are to the rest of the world. I prefer American hegemony to many of the other options but I still prefer my own country thanks. I believe that Obama will look after US interests first and if they conflict with European interests (in trade for example) then he will trample on us as all US presidents before have done.
However, I think he is smarter than the last guy by a good bit and sees that making friends and not insulting your allies is a better way of getting what you want.
The throwing under the bus that you speak of has yet to manifest itself....but power corrupts! So no argument from me there....but I am still happy he won.
Anyway, the US doesn't have the same dominance it had ten years ago. They blew the benefits of winning the Cold War on meaningless wars and cultural infighting. How much of the US economy is owned by China? What use all your tax cuts when the jobs go abroad?
WhatUwish4: I'll be the first to admit that I'm no economist so I wouldn't even attempt to address that part of the argument.
My point is that Obama's team pushed through that first huge stimulus package by promising IMMEDIATE relief.... and it's only gotten much worse. In the meantime, he has incurred a tremendous debt for our country which could very well be crippling...
At what point will people stop listening to the pretty words and start looking at the facts???
My point is that Obama's team pushed through that first huge stimulus package by promising IMMEDIATE relief.... and it's only gotten much worse. In the meantime, he has incurred a tremendous debt for our country which could very well be crippling...
At what point will people stop listening to the pretty words and start looking at the facts???
Hi Wish, I do not purport to be an economist either, far from it,
and I have no particular affiliation to any U.S. political party, though of-course I have my own opinions.
Interestingly, I sit here faced with a letter with a cheque attached, addressed to my son. It is from the Australian Taxation Office and arrived while I was away.
Heading: "Economic Stimulus Plan - tax bonus payment"
The amount is for $900.00.
Our Prime Minister, Mr Kevin Rudd, is giving $900.00 to every Australian individual whose taxable income for the 07-08 financial year was under $100,000 (US75,000 approx)as part of his Economic Stimulus Package. We were in surplus before he became PM, we are now in deficit. But his actions have been applauded by the business community, local and overseas economists, and including your own President. He has averted a major recession in this country and the banks continue to make huge after tax profits, house prices had fallen and now stabilising. Everyone has taken a beating to varying degrees. But the beating came primarily as a result of the state of U.S. economy way before Obama ever became President of your lovely country. If not Obama, it could have been anyone else. For the purpose of my present point, it matters not whom.
The relief Mr Rudd hoped for hasn't fully occurred either, but it has apparently gone some way. I have to say I do find it hard to get my head around the economic arguments pro stimulus packages vs none, but I kinda do follow the logic when presented to me.
No easy solutions out there.
venere08: Hi Wish, I do not purport to be an economist either, far from it,
and I have no particular affiliation to any U.S. political party, though of-course I have my own opinions.
Interestingly, I sit here faced with a letter with a cheque attached, addressed to my son. It is from the Australian Taxation Office and arrived while I was away.
Heading: "Economic Stimulus Plan - tax bonus payment"
The amount is for $900.00.
Our Prime Minister, Mr Kevin Rudd, is giving $900.00 to every Australian individual whose taxable income for the 07-08 financial year was under $100,000 (US75,000 approx)as part of his Economic Stimulus Package. We were in surplus before he became PM, we are now in deficit. But his actions have been applauded by the business community, local and overseas economists, and including your own President. He has averted a major recession in this country and the banks continue to make huge after tax profits, house prices had fallen and now stabilising. Everyone has taken a beating to varying degrees. But the beating came primarily as a result of the state of U.S. economy way before Obama ever became President of your lovely country. If not Obama, it could have been anyone else. For the purpose of my present point, it matters not whom.
The relief Mr Rudd hoped for hasn't fully occurred either, but it has apparently gone some way. I have to say I do find it hard to get my head around the economic arguments pro stimulus packages vs none, but I kinda do follow the logic when presented to me.
No easy solutions out there.
But that Money did not increase anyone's Wealth!and I have no particular affiliation to any U.S. political party, though of-course I have my own opinions.
Interestingly, I sit here faced with a letter with a cheque attached, addressed to my son. It is from the Australian Taxation Office and arrived while I was away.
Heading: "Economic Stimulus Plan - tax bonus payment"
The amount is for $900.00.
Our Prime Minister, Mr Kevin Rudd, is giving $900.00 to every Australian individual whose taxable income for the 07-08 financial year was under $100,000 (US75,000 approx)as part of his Economic Stimulus Package. We were in surplus before he became PM, we are now in deficit. But his actions have been applauded by the business community, local and overseas economists, and including your own President. He has averted a major recession in this country and the banks continue to make huge after tax profits, house prices had fallen and now stabilising. Everyone has taken a beating to varying degrees. But the beating came primarily as a result of the state of U.S. economy way before Obama ever became President of your lovely country. If not Obama, it could have been anyone else. For the purpose of my present point, it matters not whom.
The relief Mr Rudd hoped for hasn't fully occurred either, but it has apparently gone some way. I have to say I do find it hard to get my head around the economic arguments pro stimulus packages vs none, but I kinda do follow the logic when presented to me.
No easy solutions out there.
It was basically Loot spread around.
Taken from one Set,given to the next!
jessejess47: Obama, MaCain, Hillary all of the ones that ran, we had no options at all, had to pick one but all sucked and thats what is wrong with a two party system ,not enough to choose from....
Wow another uneducated american. I guess you never heard of Ron Paul. He was the ultimate decision but like all americans your to lazy to look into things that ACTUALLY matter.
Fallingman: I don't have to think about it at all. I am not Dude and don't have the same incredible faith in Obama being the one to save us all. He may be the only one who CAN save us all but he is first and foremost a clever US politician. He will do what he thinks has to be done in the interests of the US.
Americans go on and on in these forums and elsewhere about how good they are to the rest of the world. I prefer American hegemony to many of the other options but I still prefer my own country thanks. I believe that Obama will look after US interests first and if they conflict with European interests (in trade for example) then he will trample on us as all US presidents before have done.
However, I think he is smarter than the last guy by a good bit and sees that making friends and not insulting your allies is a better way of getting what you want.
The throwing under the bus that you speak of has yet to manifest itself....but power corrupts! So no argument from me there....but I am still happy he won.
Anyway, the US doesn't have the same dominance it had ten years ago. They blew the benefits of winning the Cold War on meaningless wars and cultural infighting. How much of the US economy is owned by China? What use all your tax cuts when the jobs go abroad?
Americans go on and on in these forums and elsewhere about how good they are to the rest of the world. I prefer American hegemony to many of the other options but I still prefer my own country thanks. I believe that Obama will look after US interests first and if they conflict with European interests (in trade for example) then he will trample on us as all US presidents before have done.
However, I think he is smarter than the last guy by a good bit and sees that making friends and not insulting your allies is a better way of getting what you want.
The throwing under the bus that you speak of has yet to manifest itself....but power corrupts! So no argument from me there....but I am still happy he won.
Anyway, the US doesn't have the same dominance it had ten years ago. They blew the benefits of winning the Cold War on meaningless wars and cultural infighting. How much of the US economy is owned by China? What use all your tax cuts when the jobs go abroad?
I don't think he's acting in the interests of anyone but his party and his own agenda. That's the problem. That's why we're having the Tea Party turnouts all over the country. The American people are not happy at all with this situation but they keep ramming through more crazy debt and we are the ones being taxed even more. Not even us...our kids and grandkids. And Nooooooo results.
You mentioned Plan B earlier... They don't have one. That's the biggest problem with overly liberal programs such as the universal health care. Nobody has ever put pen to paper or bothered to do a REAL feasibility study - yet they set the wheels in motion because it "Sounds" good and then spend more money to fix the problem when it doesn't work.
Exactly what happened with Jimmy Carter started the mortgage crisis rolling. It sounded good, but even when the bankers told him it would never work....he just did it anyway because it was a nice "pie in the sky" idea.... Let's twist the bankers arms to force them to give mortgages to people who can't afford a home...because everyone should have one."
I'm not arguing the value of the ideal; it IS a lovely idea. But thier job is to run an honorable, fiscally sound government which means they need to look before they leap. Obama kept claiming that the stimulus package would create thousands of jobs...but when directly asked during the congressional hearings, none of his people could verify the number or even state where it had come from.
I personally don't care one whit about being a world leader. I think it's very nice to be able to help others in distress and I think we always will. But really all I care about is that America fixes it's own problems so that we can be a good neighbor to others.
Conrad73: But that Money did not increase anyone's Wealth!
It was basically Loot spread around.
Taken from one Set,given to the next!
It was basically Loot spread around.
Taken from one Set,given to the next!
No, conrad, $900.00 was obviously not meant to make anyone wealthy. That is not the point. I understand that the economic basis is for people to go out and spend that money, which then acts as injection into the economy. Some people do spend, others are saving the money due to the scare mongering media hype, and this doesn't help the economy.
But it is only a fraction of the entire stimulus package. Another example was earlier on, where all pensioners were sent a separate amount of money.
And scare mongering there is, and may I digress for a moment, but this illustrates in a small way, how fickle even individuals can be in this economic climate. The only reason my son was recently able to buy a property I found for him, was that, besides 1st home owners who wanted to move in quickly but couldn't as it was leased, no investor wanted it, they were NOT in the buying mode. Crazy stuff. It was a bargain, and a great property as well as in the eastern suburbs, a highly sought after area! No better time to buy with interest rates being the lowest since the 60's. Yet, no-one was buying. Absolutely nuts! Now, weeks later, people have woken up again, and actively out there looking and buying, but they missed out, and my son gained!
venere08: No, conrad, $900.00 was obviously not meant to make anyone wealthy. That is not the point. I understand that the economic basis is for people to go out and spend that money, which then acts as injection into the economy. Some people do spend, others are saving the money due to the scare mongering media hype, and this doesn't help the economy.
But it is only a fraction of the entire stimulus package. Another example was earlier on, where all pensioners were sent a separate amount of money.
And scare mongering there is, and may I digress for a moment, but this illustrates in a small way, how fickle even individuals can be in this economic climate. The only reason my son was recently able to buy a property I found for him, was that, besides 1st home owners who wanted to move in quickly but couldn't as it was leased, no investor wanted it, they were NOT in the buying mode. Crazy stuff. It was a bargain, and a great property as well as in the eastern suburbs, a highly sought after area! No better time to buy with interest rates being the lowest since the 60's. Yet, no-one was buying. Absolutely nuts! Now, weeks later, people have woken up again, and actively out there looking and buying, but they missed out, and my son gained!
But it is only a fraction of the entire stimulus package. Another example was earlier on, where all pensioners were sent a separate amount of money.
And scare mongering there is, and may I digress for a moment, but this illustrates in a small way, how fickle even individuals can be in this economic climate. The only reason my son was recently able to buy a property I found for him, was that, besides 1st home owners who wanted to move in quickly but couldn't as it was leased, no investor wanted it, they were NOT in the buying mode. Crazy stuff. It was a bargain, and a great property as well as in the eastern suburbs, a highly sought after area! No better time to buy with interest rates being the lowest since the 60's. Yet, no-one was buying. Absolutely nuts! Now, weeks later, people have woken up again, and actively out there looking and buying, but they missed out, and my son gained!
So as Dude might say...you exploited some poor Australian democrat who is losing his house; like a hawk swooping down on it's prey.
Fallingman: You are trying to tell me that the President couldn't have said...that it was inappropriate and vainglorious and asked for it to be taken down? He wanted that photo op to justify his unjustifiable war and claim it was over quickly when it wasn't. Of course he did not word the banner but he endorsed it.
Fallingman, he landed on a carrier. He is going to be there a brief period of time. You want to discourage a crew that took the time to make and place the banner in place? By asking them to take it down?
Tell me that then Senator Obama did not make a photo op when he set the mile high stadium of Denver up as the White House?
Or had his final TV ad done in the Oval Office setting?
They all do it. Some pay millions to do it. Some have a zealous aide and a mil unit make single a banner at the cost of a couple $100 dollars and gets a world of flack from something very insignificant.
If he had a effiege of bin Laden hanging from the USS Licoln's yard arm in a noose....that might have been a little troubling.
If he had a image of Sadam Hussien painted on the carrier's fan tail with aircraft landing on it.....that might have been a tad over the top.
But a "Mission Accomplish" banner? Big deal.
Indyfella: So as Dude might say...you exploited some poor Australian democrat who is losing his house; like a hawk swooping down on it's prey.
What really gets to me is,Government taking money from productive Citizens,spreading it around,and pretending it is creating Wealth!
Fallingman: I wouldn't defend for a minute some of the stuff said about Bush. Much of it was justified though. I think the difference (now) is that Bush made his decisions and then was opposed by those who disagreed. Obama has a lot of opponents who don't seem to care what he does....it is all bad. It also seems that many don't accept the clearcut outcome of the election.
Still....people are entitled to be worried and critical of what he does. If it works...great.....if not....I don't know what plan B is but I don't see Obama's critics producing one.
Still....people are entitled to be worried and critical of what he does. If it works...great.....if not....I don't know what plan B is but I don't see Obama's critics producing one.
I am not saying what President Obama does is all bad. I am saying I will be critical of what I think is over the top. If the far left was worried about GWB and his programs. Why should the right not have the some concern for a left leaning President?
It always takes the defeated party more time to organize after an election lose. The winner has the advantage of office, budget, and media ops.
The Tea Parties are one avenue that the REP are using to gain media ops, to put candidates into the public eye, to state areas of concern and issues for debate. The REP have placed some very effective TV commercials here since Jan 20. Likely those you have not seen in Europe.
The 2010 Congressional election is going to be a key story of the Obama Presidency. A real donny brook is brewing. If the President Obama has the strength to keep control of Congress in the off election year....he has a solid chance to win a second term. On the other hand if the REP take control or improve their position in Congress....it shows he can be beaten in 2012.
Note Fallingman....6m American were in the street yesterday....and the Oval Office and the White House said nothing to their issues. If it had been the million man march during President Clinton's term. Think that they have said something the next day? When leadership fails to address
the issues of a large group of people. When people are ignored.....anger builds up. There is growing dissatisfaction
in the country to Obama's vision and course. He did not help himself by ignoring the Tea Parties. imo
Indyfella: So as Dude might say...you exploited some poor Australian democrat who is losing his house; like a hawk swooping down on it's prey.
What makes you say that, Indy? Why do you persist in make such wrong assumptions?
In fact, not only was it not a case of some poor Aussie democrat losing his house, it turned out that the owner of the property was in fact one of the sales people who worked for the real estate firm selling the property! And what's more, he had desperately wanted to sell as he was investing in something else!
May this be a small lesson for you Indy!!
Conrad73: What really gets to me is,Government taking money from productive Citizens,spreading it around,and pretending it is creating Wealth!
Reminds me of three theives divving up a bootie. One for you. One for you. Two for me. One for you. One for you. Two for me. When you stop the guy cutting the bootie. Say hey what are you doing???
He says to you....Hey there are two of you and only one of me....
ttom500: I am not saying what President Obama does is all bad. I am saying I will be critical of what I think is over the top. If the far left was worried about GWB and his programs. Why should the right not have the some concern for a left leaning President?
It always takes the defeated party more time to organize after an election lose. The winner has the advantage of office, budget, and media ops.
The Tea Parties are one avenue that the REP are using to gain media ops, to put candidates into the public eye, to state areas of concern and issues for debate. The REP have placed some very effective TV commercials here since Jan 20. Likely those you have not seen in Europe.
The 2010 Congressional election is going to be a key story of the Obama Presidency. A real donny brook is brewing. If the President Obama has the strength to keep control of Congress in the off election year....he has a solid chance to win a second term. On the other hand if the REP take control or improve their position in Congress....it shows he can be beaten in 2012.
Note Fallingman....6m American were in the street yesterday....and the Oval Office and the White House said nothing to their issues. If it had been the million man march during President Clinton's term. Think that they have said something the next day? When leadership fails to address
the issues of a large group of people. When people are ignored.....anger builds up. There is growing dissatisfaction
in the country to Obama's vision and course. He did not help himself by ignoring the Tea Parties. imo
It always takes the defeated party more time to organize after an election lose. The winner has the advantage of office, budget, and media ops.
The Tea Parties are one avenue that the REP are using to gain media ops, to put candidates into the public eye, to state areas of concern and issues for debate. The REP have placed some very effective TV commercials here since Jan 20. Likely those you have not seen in Europe.
The 2010 Congressional election is going to be a key story of the Obama Presidency. A real donny brook is brewing. If the President Obama has the strength to keep control of Congress in the off election year....he has a solid chance to win a second term. On the other hand if the REP take control or improve their position in Congress....it shows he can be beaten in 2012.
Note Fallingman....6m American were in the street yesterday....and the Oval Office and the White House said nothing to their issues. If it had been the million man march during President Clinton's term. Think that they have said something the next day? When leadership fails to address
the issues of a large group of people. When people are ignored.....anger builds up. There is growing dissatisfaction
in the country to Obama's vision and course. He did not help himself by ignoring the Tea Parties. imo
I coulda sworn you were Wish!
ttom500: Unless it show proper respect, it is scribbling. No need to reply to.
Oh my oh mt TT........
That post of mine is so Bulls Eye that you are out of replying energy and I really understand it.......
Just be sure a bout one single very great fact..........
They know Exactly what some of you guys are trying to achieve... Stop it and Accpet the truth and begin to rebuilt your country which was destroyed as ALMOST no body could imagine together with your fellow amercian countrymen instead of all this making distances even bigger with the great majority of americans who really want to get America back to her right place.
ttom500: Housing and auto sales bottoming out....not sinking is not a great economic turn around, Dude. President Obama's own words....'a glimmer of light in the economy'
Glimmer of light of course but this is much better than if the old warmonger dude had won and would prosecuting most those who told the whole truth about how lousy republican regims are in taking care of the country,s economy!
Little by little but for sure....... Better times are coming and as told before many times...... if the new administration just does Exactly the opposite of what ever republicans are suggesting
Fallingman: No it would have been for a stupid Presidential photo op that even W acknowledged later was a mistake.
Conrad73: Holy FARCK!
I am not talking about Switzerland Conrad!Switzerland is going to loose a lot of the money they helped criminals to Hide during the dark years of the damn Bushney,s and there is no glimmer of ANY THING for you guys
..................
WhatUwish4: Not at all. My point was that when the inexperienced junior senator first rose out of obscurity, most of his popularity came from his absolute promise to pull the troops out and end the war first thing. Those who opposed him kept saying it wasn't as simple as all that and it would never happen because it would be madness to just pull out as he suggested... but all the Obama supporters insisted "YES WE CAN"
I find it ironic and very telling that even though he has not done anything he promised, and even though he's now asking for MORE military $$$ and INCREASING the troop size in Afghanistan - many Obama supporters think this is just fine and dandy. To me, that's kind of hypocritical and I think it shows that many Obama supporters are blindly loyal to the "dream" he created and not paying attention to the facts at all.
I find it ironic and very telling that even though he has not done anything he promised, and even though he's now asking for MORE military $$$ and INCREASING the troop size in Afghanistan - many Obama supporters think this is just fine and dandy. To me, that's kind of hypocritical and I think it shows that many Obama supporters are blindly loyal to the "dream" he created and not paying attention to the facts at all.
Fighting THE FIGHT, Finishing THE JOB RIGHT, ending the REAL TERRORISM was exactly what Obama promissed again and again and again and you want it or not...... America gains more and more support from other countries to fight this very important fight in Afghanistan and in Pakistan and Obama have never promissed to give roses to the terrorists in those very important and dangerous areas but showing a storng arm and in the same time communicating with those who stop acting as terrorists always do! And his administration are doing exaclty as he promissed....... WE WILL DEFEAT YOU the man said during his historichal speech just after he received the presidency in January 20 and YES YOU WILL DEFEAT THEM with Obama as the commandor in chief.
Fallingman: Dude, you have hit the nail on the head. These guys think power comes from guns so naturally they don't understand why Obama is doing ok. He hasn't threatened enough people yet to make them feel he is a REAL American!
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Yeah............. Sad but very very true
Fallingman: I don't believe the Republicans have put forward any serious proposals....all they did was pretend they didn't lose the election and put forward the same discredited agenda as before.
Another Fabulous Bulls Eye Fallingman! Conrad73: What really gets to me is,Government taking money from productive Citizens,spreading it around,and pretending it is creating Wealth!
Wonderful to know that it really Gets to you Conrad .... Nice I honestly can't stand Obama being president. I was totally against it from the time I saw his face on the tv, and heard him speak. I don't mean to step on anybody's toes but I just spent 8 hours basically protesting against Obama in Atlant, GA last night at the Georgia State Capital along with like 15,000 to 20,000 other people, about how he is trying to make us a Socialist country. Just don't like the fact of how he is wanting to spend so much freakin money on stuff that it really doesn't need to be spent on. All he talks is BS! 
I just can't stand it! Well....the whole thing about 'YES WE CAN' Yes 'HE' can spend 'OUR' money before we even get it! Heck no he is no man of honor, he is a freakin THIEF!!!
Just another raging American!!!
I just can't stand it! Well....the whole thing about 'YES WE CAN' Yes 'HE' can spend 'OUR' money before we even get it! Heck no he is no man of honor, he is a freakin THIEF!!!Just another raging American!!!
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