Another one has disappeared.

In a year when two aircraft have been lost a third must surely spell the end for some of these budget airlines? Whilst one could be considered unfortunate, three to me smacks of a lack of duty in the safety of their passengers, whilst the facts are not yet known the plane, an Airbus A320-200, is the workhorse of budget airlines & has an excellent safety record, when operated in accordance with good procedures.



Thoughts to the passengers & families waiting for news sad flower
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I suppose the only reassuring thing, following in the wake of several ships captains that have been the first off the sinking ship, is that passenger planes aren't fitted with ejector seats for the pilots, at least you know they're still there.
maybe that's why they make the windows in planes so small dunno
laugh "Sacre bleu. Pas de fuite." (no escape)

Too early?
seen some "theorizing",that they experienced Icing,and simply fell out of the Sky!

Sunardi, a weather forecaster at the Indonesia's Meteorology and Geophysics Agency, said dense storm clouds were detected up to 44,000 feet in the same area at the time the plane was reported to have lost contact.

"There could have been turbulence, lightning and vertical as well as horizontal strong winds within such clouds," said Sunardi, who like many Indonesians uses only one name.

Ten hours after the plane lost contact, Indonesian Vice President Jusuf Kalla said, "It is most possible that it has experienced an accident."

The crew of the Airbus A320-200 included two pilots, four flight attendants and one engineer, according to flight documents.
Conrad, hard facts are understandably hard to come by at this stage, but as a novice there are already some things that don't add up, the plane was refused permission to climb due to a plane above it, not according to one site that posted a radar plot of the time, no planes nearby dunno if there was a plane nearby and icing was the problem why didn't that one drop out of the sky dunno
Conrad, after looking at your link it seems they can't even agree on things like the captain's flying hours doh and who ever heard of search & rescue being called off because it was getting dark doh
.......sad flower
My prayers for the familiessad flower


R.I.P To the lost soulssad flower


So frightening. 2 lost planes this year. Hard to digest. LOST

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Carina, hopefully the search area for this one will be smaller & it will be located quickly sad flower
Yeah I can run with icing of the air speed tube thinggie. Fixed is a relative term. Ever work on a car, decide you have solved the problem, then when you go for a drive, 10 miles down the road, there is the same problem again?

With Fly by Wire and the computer doing the flying, a sharp pilot would be needed to detect something wrong soon enough to do anything about it. Once air speed drops below a certain point, that plane don't fly anymore.
Ken, I'll need to dig out the program about the French plane where that was the cause to see what the fix was as I've forgotten, but in any event one would have thought the pilot would be aware of the problem dunno
Ken, I've rewatched the end of that program, having slowed to a point where the plane stalled one pilot was trying to push the nose down to regain control whilst the other panicked & was pulling the nose up, the two inputs counteracted one another meaning nothing was happening, by the time the captain who'd been on a break came back & realised what was happening it was too late, the main solution was more training for pilots, because the plane manufacturers had told airlines these planes can fly themselves the airlines hadn't trained pilots on what to do it that situation doh
Pilots, like any bus driver, are aware of 1,000 things that can go wrong. However the whole concept of fly by wire takes much of the flying out of the pilots hands.
Well yes, but the findings of the investigation put the blame mainly on airlines for not training pilots on how to fly the plane at altitude when the computer malfunctions, to me this comes back to what I said earlier about being picky about which airline you choose to fly with, the $20 saving on the fare won't do you any good when the plane is plummeting toward the ground, only good pilot training & a well maintained aircraft will do that, look at a similar plane hit by birds & making a successful landing in the Hudson as an example of what can be done.
Yes way too soon to blame anyone in this case.
zman
Terrible news regardless of what or who is to blame...budget airlines are problematic...safety should be top priority...
Lou, quite so, although it's rare one puts one's life on the line by using a business, transportation is one of those times, and whilst I have little trust in politicians I have even less in large companies doh
zman
Most large companies forget what is important...most in charge are mostly just bean counters...not really an efficient way to practice...
Correction Z, should have been "for 15 years". Meaning it took my lawyer friend 15 years to prove the fraud committed on both parties the sellers and the buyers.
A news item I've just read states, "The search got underway again about 10.30am this morning after being hampered by bad weather last night."

Most search and rescue operations I believe recommence at first light, but perhaps Indonesian rescuers had a bit of a sleep in today, or were unable to drag themselves away from a particularly delightful morning nasi goreng.
Nah, not really. The ships stayed crewed and at sea all night with their flood lights on. So as the sun came up, people on watch were looking. What they speak of is more looking after the day crew had breakfast. A difference that makes no difference because the night crew was looking while the others ate.
Lou, hopefully the chickens will come back to roost with some of these companies, as an example the UK supermarket that supplied horse in it's Beefburgers is currently under investigation by the Serious Fraud Office, an allegation of cooking the books, wonder if they were grilling horse at the time very mad
LJ, as sad as that is I can't say I'm surprised, there will always be those that put a life of luxury for them above others safety frustrated
I was a bit taken back last night when they said the search was stopped because it got dark & was getting cloudy wow
Ken, I hope you're right on that one doh
Pretty sure I am. I know folks who Coast Guard and that's SOP. The sun goes down so the only thing you can see after the twilights end is what is in the search lights. But always on a big ship, especially a military one, there is a watch crew that stands on railings at night looking at what they can.
Really what the News meant is the helicopters go up in daylight because they see the furthest.
Fairly high certainty this morning that wreckage from the plane has been found at sea and it definitely crashed about 6 miles from where it was last seen on radar. My condolences to all of those who lost someone.

Regarding the decision by the ATC to deny permission to climb in altitude above the storm. Radar maps show it wouldn't have made a difference. The plane's ceiling was 40,000 feet. The storm in question went another 10,000 feet above what the plane could have maximumly climbed to. So either way it would have been in the storm. Circling around also may not have been an option due to the storms sheer size.
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