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"A 10-MONTH-old baby girl has died in Spain after her grandfather left her in the back of his car for eight hours"

Bit of a roller coaster this article, man leaves granddaughter, 10 months old, in the back of a car in Spain, in summer, hanging is too good for him professor but read on, he went for a coffee & forgot he'd left her there, so poor man has trouble with memory comfort not his fault professor But hold on, cars here heat up in less than a minute to maybe 50c+, who would leave a dog, let alone a child in a car under those conditions very mad I can't think of a single place in Spain where kids are not welcomed with open arms, was it he couldn't be bothered to take her mumbling

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This is sad any way one looks at it. He is most probably quite old, being a granddad?

So he was minding the baby, but who was minding him? Cos it sure as heck sounds as tho he needed minding...sigh
Memory is funny thing, I like to think I remember in detail things that happened even 60 years ago, but do I dunno I've just had to fill in a form asking questions going right back to my teens years, easy I thought, but turned out not quite as easy as I thought, dates, places, details all merged together making being precise tricky.
A classic example, my mother died in 1965, it was a traumatic day & I remember it well, or so thought till my father died about 13 years ago & I had to return to the same crematorium, it was on the other side of London to where I lived, I couldn't even find it, when I did there I looked at it & I'd have sworn I'd never been there before, ok it may have changed a bit over the years but not that much, it's a grave yard & highly unlikely they dug up graves to alter it, my memory of that day was complete fabrication.
But is failing memory any excuse for what this man did dunno
Like, details seem a bit sketchy, the article says granddad, but later someone refers to him as being the uncle, but the question I just posted above, is a dodgy memory any excuse for leaving her there, is he claiming he forgot she was there at all dunno or just couldn't be bothered to take her with him.
Luke, sorry not like, this keyboard is like Russian roulette, the letters have worn off so sometimes I hit the right ones but sometimes a bit out laugh
Hi Z man, very sad story sad flower

This happened here with a father leaving his child in car while I believe he was at work. He went to court and never heard the outcome of what happened to him.

How does a person defend such action. dunno

Sad really sad story.
Absolutely dreadful!!!doh

Old or not old..if he can't be responsible for a baby he shouldn't even be driving a car!professor
Wen, yes I'm struggling to see any way he can justify what he did, this memory thing sounds like an excuse for his action of leaving her there in the first place, the sad thing is had it been a dog people would have broken into the car to get it out, but you don't expect a baby to be left alone.
Dani, if his memory is that bad how would he have remembered where he left the car, so yes shouldn't be driving.
Talking of not being fit to drive, I got so engrossed in blog comments forgot I put the kettle on doh laugh
So using the logic you see sooften on the net these days, both the guy in the article & me are coffee drinkers, therefore memory loss must be down to coffee wow doh but never mind I'll have forgotten that by tomorrow laugh
Z, yes, friends of mine in SA had a militant numpty smash into their car to rescue their daughter's toy dog left on the back seat.

This is horrendous
Z we had several cases here in California that is similar to this story. Sad thing really.

If he has senility already, I'm wondering why he took such a delicate responsibility.

My prayers for him and the family. sad flower
Biff, yes, seems we'll take action for a dog, but maybe assume nobody would leave a child for more than seconds in this heat dunno
It does say he parked at 7 am and she was asleep - possible he planned a quick coffee and didn't want to wake her, at 7 am that's acceptable

But ye gods to then tootle on to work - or carry on chatting - without ever remembering is terrifying. That poor, poor family.

sad flower
LJ, well for the family maybe, him confused but there again if his memory is that bad why did the family leave the child with him in the first place dunno
Z man, talking about memory, years back a elderly man sideswipe my mother's car and kept going. They found him and his car shut up in his garage. He told everyone He didn't remember hitting her car, my mother told them well he remembered how to get home and hide car in garage. Lol oh he remembered alright.
I worked with a woman whose husband, once she was safely delivered of their son, went for a celebratory drink leaving their 3 dogs in the car in the sun. All 3 dogs died. She never went back home - started divorce proceedings from the maternity ward and went to her parents when it was time to leave hospital, on the spot, on the basis if he could do that he'd never be a fit father. She fought for and won full custody on the same basis.
Biff, I just checked, there weather is about the same as ours at the moment & the sun was up at that time, car would have been stuffy at best even then.
My memory - I reworded the comment and forgot to take out 'on the spot' frustrated

Off shopping. Won't take the dog. uh oh
The "grandfather" is aged 56, Somehow I doubt its senility, Its just very sad for all concerned, The not so old man will be haunted for the rest of his life.
Wen, laugh amazing how some seem to have blackouts when they've done something they don't want to admit to laugh
Z, it was probably in the shade at that time. From that article he wasn't a bad guy, or a drunk, or anything sinister. Just had the worst memory fail in history, and has to live with it, or kill himself, and who knows which is worse.

Such a horrible combination of circumstances - his memory, not a person he met over coffee asking how his grandchild was, not a single person noticing there was a baby in the car - stuff of nightmares
Map, hmmmmm, can see what you're saying, but I'm leaning toward the comment Wen made earlier, blaming memory when one has done something awful is a common enough trait in certain types.
Zman

How awful...the guilt would eat you up inside...losing a pet or person in that way...horrible...people need to be educated...I do not buy into the memory loss idea...sigh
Biff, well Map says 56, that's not really an age where memory should play a big part but then it has been known & the age for it is coming down, due in part to air pollution in cities, but then I doubt the traffic round there equates to major cities.
Well Z that's where the problem is, who ever assigned him those kids are to blame.
Lou, well I'd say an event like would probably kill you inside, but then I'm taking the vast majority of us who would have taken the child with them anyway.
LJ, living in CA you'll know what the Spanish are like with respect for there elders, I'm assuming this guy is Spanish, but normally they're really proud of there grandchildren & would use any excuse to show then off dunno
Zman

I do know a man long ago that left his pet in a car that died from heat...not a bad person but just not educated...he learned the hard way...

I hope that the grandpa will not be looking after other children...just in case he forgets...
I may be jumping to conclusions here, but on what we can see from the two pictures in the article, he also appears to have forgotten he parked blocking someone's garage, one just has to look round any car park in Spain to see drivers taking up 2-3 spaces to park there hatchback, on the grounds that the fact others are then deprived of parking space doesn't affect them so why should they worry dunno
Lou, I suspect he'll be kept well away from other children, will be a long time before this is forgotten, remember here due the heat everyone knows not to leave anything alive in a car, and that death can occur in minutes, but you still read of dogs etc being left on a regular basis.
There was a case here in Ireland similar.
The Father was to take his daughter to the creche before going to work.
It wasn't the usual for him but he had to this particular morning.
He went to work ..it was a hot day...came out after work to find his daughter dead in the car.
He had simply in the bustle of his routine forgotten he had the baby.
A young man with seemingly no memory issues.
A simple (not to say that lightly) a case of carelessness.
Much like the grandfather's case.
Both men having to live with this fact that they have been responsible is punishment enough I feel.
Both didn't want this to happen both didn't set out to kill the baby.
Both have to live with the suffering of it.
I don't think anything that can be done to either can be any worse than what they themselves are mentally putting themselves through everyday now and for the rest of their lives.
Dee, I'm convinced we haven't had the full story here yet, time will tell, but I'm increasing concerned about attitudes these days, a recent blog comment sticks in my mind " why should I worry it's on the other side of the world, it doesn't effect me", I find that attitude troubling & can be applied in a range of circumstances, from this case where whatever he was doing was more important than his own granddaughter, to one country invading another, if we all turn round & say doesn't affect me where will we end up dunno
Z, these cases are always sad.
There are no winners. Nobody would do that on purpose, but some people aren't good at minding children

I always remember my mam telling me when I was young, and wanting to go to a match with my dad, that she would never let him take us to matches without her, as he would get so engrossed in the match that he'd totally forget he had children.

That is not to make light of the situation above, but often men do forget they are in charge of the children.
Molly, I would hope that was your mother being overcautious, can't say that would apply to anyone I know but then they say you never really know anyone properly dunno
I agree with dee...it sounds to me like because the baby was sleeping he completely forgot she was even in the car....if you don't have children with you all the time and they are in the back sleeping I can see how it may have slipped his mind...I don't think it was intentional and I do think he will live the rest of his life blaming himself....wine
We've had instances of this here also

Dad drives to work and 'forgets' he was meant to drop baby off at the creche on the way so baby gets left in the car for hours on end and ends up dead, these people should be jailed for life very mad
Most men have no clue about caring for a child, only today I saw a male pushing a shopping cart with a tiny child trailing who then wandered off in a different direction doh

He had no idea until I took her little hand and went 'Is this your little one?'

There's no way I would have entrusted my children's care to a male.
We've had instances of this here also

Dad drives to work and 'forgets' he was meant to drop baby off at the creche on the way so baby gets left in the car for hours on end and ends up dead, these people should be jailed for life very mad
Most men have no clue about caring for a child, only today I saw a male pushing a shopping cart with a tiny child trailing who then wandered off in a different direction doh

He had no idea until I took her little hand and went 'Is this your little one?'

There's no way I would have entrusted my children's care to a male.
Mandatory driving test at 65 if you want to keep your license. With an aging population we need to be ready for a society of senile mistakes, it’s to maintain competency.
M4, I really struggle with the concept of forgetting something like that, if this guy is that unreliable maybe it's the parents to blame for leaving the child with him dunno
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