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Here's a test to see if you, yourself, have Statist impulses. Do you favor speech and debate, or is your go-to response "Shut up!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=UUz4s5OktLE&feature=emb_logo


The Founders of the American Republic and the U.S. Constitution were students of Natural Law and the Socratic method. Logical arguments, back and forth, within proscribed rules, until the truth could be elicited.

The Socratic method (also known as method of Elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate) is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions. It is named after the Classical Greek philosopher Socrates and is introduced by him in Plato's Theaetetus as midwifery (maieutics) because it is employed to bring out definitions implicit in the interlocutors' beliefs, or to help them further their understanding.

The Socratic method is a method of hypothesis elimination, in that better hypotheses are found by steadily identifying and eliminating those that lead to contradictions.

The Socratic method searches for general commonly held truths that shape beliefs and scrutinizes them to determine their consistency with other beliefs. The basic form is a series of questions formulated as tests of logic and fact intended to help a person or group discover their beliefs about some topic; exploring definitions, and seeking to characterize general characteristics shared by various particular instances.


“Persuasion is the civilized substitute for harsh authority and ruthless force,” wrote R.T. Oliver. Oliver said that the recipients of any persuasive discourse must feel free to make a choice. In a free society it is persuasion that decides rules, determines behavior,and acts as the governing agent in human physical and mental activities. In every free society individuals are continuously attempting to change the thoughts and/or actions of others. It is a fundamental concept of a free society.


Yes, persuasion. Not, Shut Up!

But persuasion involves civilized discourse.

HERE ARE THE RULES:Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate

argumentum ad antiquitatem
argumentum ad hominem
argumentum ad ignorantiam
argumentum ad logicam
argumentum ad misericordiam
argumentum ad nauseam
argumentum ad numerum
argumentum ad populum
argumentum ad verecundiam
circulus in demonstrando
complex question
dicto simpliciter
naturalistic fallacy
nature, appeal to
non sequitur
petitio principii

post hoc ergo propter hoc
red herring
slippery slope
straw man
tu quoque
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But if you are a Statist, there are millions of dead, millions sent to the camps, the Gulags of Soviet Russia, the Lao Gai of Communist China, giving mute testimony of the urge to say SHUT UP to others, rather than even attempting to persuade.






So, are you trying to persuade, like a Free Westerner, or scream, "Shut Up!" like a Communist?

REMEMBER: LIBRARY RULES OF CIVIL DISCOURSE APPLY.

Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley was "incredibly disingenuous" with his testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio, told Newsmax.

Milley left out any mention of the U.S. drone strike that ended up killing civilians, including children, rather than an ISIS-K target in the final days of the U.S. presence in Afghanistan, Turner lamented on Tuesday's "National Report."

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin was "emotional" about the 13 U.S. service members who died in a suicide bomber strike at the Kabul airport during the evacuation from Afghanistan, but Milley's reaction was different.

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Is being vilified by a CS member who boasts of having served in the US military, is it right that an forces person can wilfully malign and denigrate a decorated with both the Silver Star Medal and Bronze Star Hero of the US Navy?
One has to question the veracity of anyone who is so low to attack someone no longer in a position to respond.
By denigrating one decorated military person you are denigrating all those with the same medals.

I QUESTION THE TRUTH REGARDING ANYONE SO MALICIOUS BEING AN EX-SERVICE MEMBER.

The study was conducted for CNN by SSRS, an independent research company. Surveys were obtained August 3- September 7, 2021 with a representative sample of n=2,119 respondents. Implementing a full probability design via Address-Based Sampling (ABS), U.S. households were randomly selected to participate and were first reached via mail. Adults ages 18 or older completed the survey via web (n=1,943) or phone (n=176). The margin of sampling error for total respondents is +/- 2.8 at the 95% confidence level. The design effect is 1.68. For results among the 1,838 registered voters, the margin of sampling error is +/-3.0.

“How well are things going in the country today?” CNN asked respondents. Two percent said “very well,” 29 percent said “fairly well,” 45 percent said “pretty bad,” and 24 percent said “very badly.”

Combining the net answers, 69 percent said “pretty/very badly,” while 31 percent said “very/fairly well”–a 37 percent difference.

For perspective, while former President Donald Trump was in office in January 2020, 21 percent of Americans said the United States was doing very well:

Regarding specific issues from this year to last year, the numbers do not improve for Biden. For instance, 77 percent are worried about the economy in 2021, while 58 percent were worried about it in 2020. Similar numbers exist for crime, as 57 percent in 2021 are worried about crime, while 37 percent were worried about crime in 2020.

Related to the coronavirus, concern over the pandemic has risen since Trump was president. Today, 70 percent are worried about the virus, compared to 60 percent in 2020.

Contrary to what Biden, Harris, and the liberal media says border patrol did not use whips or stampede over migrants. It's all just another of the many lies from this Biden administration and the mainstream media.

News4Jax is running a viral social media claim through the Trust Index about U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents allegedly whipping Haitian migrants along the Rio Grande as they tried to get into the United States. The dramatic scene has drawn widespread condemnation from the White House, politicians and the public.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security is pledging to swiftly conduct an investigation into what happened, calling this incident along the Rio Grande “extremely troubling.”

But are horseback mounted CBP agents really using whips to corral a large group of migrants? The News4Jax Trust Index team is giving this claim a rating of not true.

This is the reason why:

A video originally captured by Al Jazeera shows U.S. Border Patrol agents on horseback trying to stop Haitian migrants from entering an encampment on the banks of the Rio Grande on Sunday. But it’s an image captured by photographer Paul Ratje that’s led to widespread criticism.

U.S. Sen. Jeff Merkley tweeted: “Use of whips on refugees? Disturbing and unacceptable. This must end immediately.”

Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, however, denied that Border Patrol agents used whips, explaining to reporters that agents use long reins to control their horses — and not whips — and saying that reigns were being held by CBP agents. Mayorkas also added that a full investigation is warranted.

“One cannot weaponize a horse to aggressively attack a child. That is unacceptable. That is not what our policies and our training require. Please understand, let me be quite clear, that is not acceptable. We will not tolerate mistreatment, and we will address it with full force based on the facts that we learn,” Mayorkas said.

Ratje, the photographer who took the controversial photo, also weighed in on what happened, telling NPR and a news station the following about what he captured with his lens: “Some of the Haitian men started running, trying to go around the horses, and that’s when the whole thing happened. I never saw them whip anyone. The agent was swinging the reigns that to some can be misconstrued when your looking at the pictures.”

I defy anybody to produce one picture of a whip being used. They are simply the reins needed to handle a horse.

So, does how CBP agents handled this situation deserve an investigation? The answer is yes. But to the claim that horseback mounted CBP agents were seen whipping Haitian migrants trying to get into the U.S., the News4JAX Trust Index Team rates this claim as not true.

Lie after lie after lie.....The Biden Administration.

On Monday, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said that Haitian migrants who had been camping under a bridge in Del Rio, Texas, would be deported. On Wednesday, however, the Associated Press reported that U.S. officials were saying many of the migrants were being released into the U.S.

One U.S. official with direct knowledge of the situation but spoke on the condition of anonymity told the AP that Haitians have been released into the country on a “very, very large scale.” The officials suggested the number being released was in the thousands.

“Many have been released with notices to appear at an immigration office within 60 days, an outcome that requires less processing time from Border Patrol agents than ordering an appearance in immigration court and points to the speed at which authorities are moving, the official said,” the AP reported. “The Homeland Security Department has been busing Haitians from Del Rio to El Paso, Laredo and the Rio Grande Valley along the Texas border, and this week added flights to Tucson, Arizona, the official said. They are processed by the Border Patrol at those locations.”

Another U.S. official who also spoke on the condition of anonymity and has direct knowledge of the operations along the border told the AP that large numbers of the illegal immigrants from Haiti have been processed but not placed on flights back to Haiti, which began on Sunday. Both officials told the outlet that authorities had to use planes to move the immigrants when they couldn’t get enough transportation contractors to bus them to El Paso.

“The releases in the U.S. were occurring despite the signaling of a massive effort to expel Haitians on flights to Haiti under pandemic-related authority that denies migrants an opportunity to seek asylum. A third U.S. official not authorized to discuss operations said there were seven daily flights to Haiti planned starting Wednesday,” the AP reported.




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Nearly 90 retired U.S. generals and admirals penned an open letter asking Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley to resign from their positions following their “negligence in performing their duties primarily involving events surrounding the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan.”

“As principal military advisors to the CINC /President, the SECDEF and CJCS should have recommended against this dangerous withdrawal in the strongest possible terms,” the letter states. “If they did not do everything within their authority to stop the hasty withdrawal, they should resign. Conversely, if they did do everything within their ability to persuade the CINC/President to not hastily exit the country without ensuring the safety of our citizens and Afghans loyal to America, then they should have resigned in protest as a matter of conscience and public statement.”

This “hasty retreat,” the letter continues, not only left thousands of vulnerable Americans and Afghan allies stranded at the hands of the Taliban but also contributed to the “catastrophic” loss of “billions of dollars in advanced military equipment and supplies falling into the hands of our enemies.”

“The consequences of this disaster are enormous and will reverberate for decades beginning with the safety of Americans and Afghans who are unable to move safely to evacuation points; therefore, being de facto hostages of the Taliban at this time. The death and torture of Afghans has already begun and will result in a human tragedy of major proportions,” the letter says. “The damage to the reputation of the United States is indescribable. We are now seen, and will be seen for many years, as an unreliable partner in any multinational agreement or operation. Trust in the United States is irreparably damaged.”

This damaged trust, the retired generals and admirals argue, gives confidence to U.S. enemies who “are emboldened to move against America due to the weakness displayed in Afghanistan.”

“China benefits the most followed by Russia, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea and others. Terrorists around the world are emboldened and able to pass freely into our country through our open border with Mexico,” the letter states.

The letter also points out how military leadership’s focus on “wokeness” is hurting the viability of U.S. troops and the military as an institution.

“In interviews, congressional testimony, and public statements it has become clear that top leaders in our military are placing mandatory emphasis on PC ‘wokeness’ related training which is extremely divisive and harmful to unit cohesion, readiness, and war fighting capability,” the letter says. “Our military exists to fight and win our Nation’s wars and that must be the sole focus of our top military leaders.”

“For these reasons we call on the SECDEF Austin and the CJCS General Milley to resign,” it concludes. “A fundamental principle in the military is holding those in charge responsible and accountable for their actions or inactions. There must be accountability at all levels for this tragic and avoidable debacle.”

Over the last week, multiple GOP lawmakers called on President Joe Biden to resign for “dereliction of duty that has left Americans dead at the hands of terrorists.”

The most amazing thing to me is all the likes I get from deleted profiles.

Yep, that's how long we will hear more nonsensical whining about Biden every time he does anything. There was even an issue with him checking his watch after some services were done. Really ?

This after we witnessed the worst president in our lifetime lie, break laws, get impeached TWICE, and set a new record for corruption. Trials for tax evasion, fraud, emoluments violations, and inappropriate s*xual activity, all will take place after the investigations have finished.
Also a record number of tell all books from witnesses about the ineptness and corruption of the administration.

Not a negative thing to say about all that though. The epitome of hypocrisy.