HealthyLiving: Well, I was commenting on Conrads post, not to YOU.
It doesn´t matter who you were posting to, we all read the posts. I´ve already made my thoughts clear on your nasty comment, and I´ll add that I´m surprised you can stoop to such a low level.
This site really does open ones eyes to the the character of people.
SoldierByte: Do you have any Cheese with your whine..?? I thought this place was for the grown ups to meet and MEN and WOMEN to talk..?? ---SoldierByte---
Ah, but grown up men and women don´t make nasty comments about m**turbation on a supposedly serious thread do they?
SoldierByte: Do you have any Cheese with your whine..?? I thought this place was for the grown ups to meet and MEN and WOMEN to talk..?? ---SoldierByte---
I was certainly not whining! Just reponding to her reply, thank you. I am capable of having intelligent conversations without bashing people! I don't have to resort to rudeness to get my point across.
BebeII: How is it a complete disaster when 80+ % of the population is SATISFIED with their health-care. This is a case of "never letting a politically made disaster go to waste".
Where do you get your figures from? No one I know is satisfied with their health insurance program.
ladichatterlee: Where do you get your figures from? No one I know is satisfied with their health insurance program.
Those are the figures they have been touting on FOX news based on their polls. Funny thing is the majority of their viewers are conservatives that are against the bill, so the numbers are quite subjective.
lookin4ubabe: Those are the figures they have been touting on FOX news based on their polls. Funny thing is the majority of their viewers are conservatives that are against the bill, so the numbers are quite subjective.
Oh, no wonder. Fox news. LOL. Like that's a reliable source.
Health Care Reform: What Do Americans Want? (Or Think They Want?) Maggie Mahar, The Century Foundation
"On the surface, it seems that American voters have made their will clear. Poll after poll shows that they are calling for a major overhaul of our health care system. But when you look closer, their responses bristle with contradictions and discrepancies that I think the reform-minded presidential candidates will have to consider when deciding how to approach health care reform.
In a poll reported in Health Affairs at the end of last year, sixty-nine percent of respondents rated the US system as “fair” or “poor.” Yet in the same survey, when asked about their own experience with receiving medical services or with their own physician, 80 percent who had received care in the last year ranked their care as “excellent” or ”good.”
Other polls reveal the same pattern.
According to a survey released by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner in July, voters express doubts about the quality of the American health care system (with 49 percent dissatisfied), while 74 percent were dissatisfied with the cost. Yet, “at another, more personal level,” the pollsters note, “a slightly different picture emerges. Fully eight in ten (82 percent) describe themselves as satisfied with the quality of the health care they receive personally. This number jumps to 90 percent among seniors (64 percent very satisfied), but includes impressive majorities of nearly all groups…”
Pay attention to what? Polls are biased. YOU might want to pay attention to what I had stated before, and will state again: NO ONE I know of is satisfied with their health insurance program.
Oh...and I will also state there's a difference between being satisfied with the quality of the health care you get and with the insurance coverage you have to get that care. Two different issues, really, in many respects.
For example, I didn't even have insurance during my recent 7-day stay in the hospital, and the quality of my care was absolutely phenomenol. I was seen by every type of doctor imaginable that had to do anything whatsoever with my illness. They came to visit with me at least two times a day. The nursing care I got was also superb, with few exceptions.
Conversely, when I had health insurance, I never received that quality of care at a different, "richer" hospital. Not even close to that quality of care.
I have always been self employed and have always paid for my own health insurance. Was it tough and did I go without some of the toys to do it, yes, because I felt it was important to me and my family. I made it work and even took on other jobs for neighbors to make sure that it stayed in force. By the time he was 60, my father had two heart bypass surgeries and was never cancelled by his insurer through the remainder of his life which ended when he was 81. I have the same insurance provider and have never had any problem with them. Whether they want to admit it or not, the health care bill passed by the house last night does remove a degree of choice and will cost a phenominal amout of money if past history is any indication. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Services to name a few. Do I want all americans to have access to health care, yes! Do i want to pay for it, no! Do I believe that a small portion of the population is legitimately deserving of health care, yes! Am I willing to contribute to that, yes-----through those charities which I choose. You do not create a benevolent society by cramming stuff down their throats, or takiing from the average Joe and giving to those who are too lazy to get off their fat butts and work. It would really be crushing if someone had to give up their cell phone, or their cable, or their internet to pay for health insurance! What are individual priorities and responsibilities?
I work two jobs, self-employed, and have no "toys," and still cannot afford health insurance. Don't assume the majority of people who don't have health insurance is because they simply won't get off their fat butts and work. I need my cell phone for communication with clients, family, etc. I need internet for my work. The amount I pay for cable wouldn't even begin to cover health insurance. For many people, it's a choice between paying for groceries and paying for health insurance. I absolutely DETEST incompassionate people like you who asssume that people who cannot afford insurance can't do so simply because they sit on their "fat butts" and don't work. There are multitudes of very hard-working people (harder working than you are, in many cases, I would bet) who STILL cannot afford adequate health insurance. I don't believe health care should be afforded to only those people who can, well, afford it. What makes you any more deserving of health care just because you can afford to pay for it, versus someone else who can't? Why should someone have to make personal sacrifices to obtain that which should be a fundamental right of every citizen of this country? I pay freaking taxes, same as you do. I provide two different services, work sometimes 16 hours or more a day. The insurance and pharmaceutical companies control everything now, with regard to medical care. Are you satisfied with that? I know of no one who is.
I always find it interesting that you hear all these stories about people working 2 or 3 jobs and 16 hours a day that can't afford health insurance and yet few have ever been turned away from an emergency room, or refused necessary medical care. It is a right to have access to health care, but it sure as hell is not a fundamental right to have government operated health care. Quote me where in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or subsequent ammendments that is stated! If the health insurance and pharma companies control everything, how did that happen when the federal government regulates all of them through the interstate commerce clause and why has congress not passed legislation that would allow those same companies to sell across state lines therby increasing competition amongst and between those companies? Any excess profits or control those companies may have are a direct result of bills passed by congress. That being said, do you really believe that the Federal government can efficiently and effectively operate a system their legislation screwd up in the first place? Go back to 1964, the year before congress passed Johnson's "Great Society" programs and you will see that health care costs ran less than 7% of GDP as compared to todays 17% of GDP. The vast majority of that increase is due directly to government intervention at al levels.
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