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Steve5721: Taffy lad....their book is some 1400 years old, their customs are that too, the trouble is that they haven't evolved into the 21st century.
It`s hard to make them realize that not all the wisdom of this world is in the " holy book"
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What would have happened if Microsoft had never issued an upgrade to Windows??.....we would still be working with Windows98!!....same with the Koran. The bible could do with an upgrade too now that I think about it.
Steve5721: Taffy lad....their book is some 1400 years old, their customs are that too, the trouble is that they haven't evolved into the 21st century.
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Steve5721: Taffy lad....their book is some 1400 years old, their customs are that too, the trouble is that they haven't evolved into the 21st century.
I have to agree mate, if things like what I saw today are still going on and actually BELIEVED IN!! It was horrible mate, and we're supposed to see this as sane behaviour?? I have zero respect for anybody who believes these actions and laws to be acceptable. I also don't care that it's a different or certain culture or creed in another country either. Murder is murder no matter where it's done, and no matter who's name it's supposed to be in!! This girl couldn't have been more than 15 years old FFS!!!! Murderers is all I can call them and they should be punished.
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It is hard to think that their Allah is the same God that other religions believe in.
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Boban1: It`s hard to make them realize that not all the wisdom of this world is in the " holy book"
There is that saying of course "You can't teach old dogs new tricks" that appertains to them, sadly.
I do believe islam or muslims would be more 'accepted' sort of thing if they rid their antiquated rulings, especially against women.
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What I don't understand is why u insist to like u a woman which is not in u religion,with u tradition u can't blame a woman from other country to like u,if u want to be liked how u are choose a woman from u country with same traditions.
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Steve5721: It's not always about wars you know. Many westerners find the culture of stoning, flogging, arranged marriages, the oppression of women etc etc a little, let's say 'strange' that in this modern day is still abundant in some of the muslims way of life.
Gosh....i wish i could summarize all the aspects of islam in a few lines or paragraphs, steve, but i am not really an islamic scholar. Let's just say for now that there is a huge, i mean a HUGE, difference between the perception of religions(and their practical applications) between the east and the west. Do you believe in the "doctrine of necessity", steve? Well, Islam, as a practical religion, also gives a hand of support to the idea of "doctrine of necessity" to rid the societies from some of the very dangerous evils. we, as human, don't always know how we fit into the scheme of things in this world. In my understanding, stoning and flogging are two very tough and technical aspects of islamic jurisprudence, and they will be considered only in a country which is ruled according to the law and principles of islam. And as far as the issues of "arrange marriage" and "the oppression of women" concerned, i would say, they are more part of some cultural realities than islamic creed.
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Boban1: It`s hard to make them realize that not all the wisdom of this world is in the " holy book"
I think that works in lots of ways - Christian, Muslim, eastern, western, man, woman.
We all have fixed ideas and find it hard to accept that they are maybe not the best.
In the same way that the "all men..." and "all women" threads can be destructive, it strikes me that if Muslim men come onto a thread, they are instantly held accountable for all the negativity that we see in their religion, culture, part of the planet, without letting them evolve as a persona on the forums as is the case with non-Muslims.
Not every Christian believes in the bible down to the last word, not everybody in a country is responsible for every political decision made by their Government.
Hell, nobody even voted for the government we have in Britain.
Maybe there are some Muslims who don't think that all the wisdom of this world is in the holy book. They don't get much of a chance to be heard without mass generalisations intruding.
Jac xxx
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Boban1: It`s hard to make them realize that not all the wisdom of this world is in the " holy book"
I think that works in lots of ways - Christian, Muslim, eastern, western, man, woman.
We all have fixed ideas and find it hard to accept that they are maybe not the best.
In the same way that the "all men..." and "all women" threads can be destructive, it strikes me that if Muslim men come onto a thread, they are instantly held accountable for all the negativity that we see in their religion, culture, part of the planet, without letting them evolve as a persona on the forums as is the case with non-Muslims.
Not every Christian believes in the bible down to the last word, not everybody in a country is responsible for every political decision made by their Government.
Hell, nobody even voted for the government we have in Britain.
Maybe there are some Muslims who don't think that all the wisdom of this world is in the holy book. They don't get much of a chance to be heard without mass generalisations intruding.
Jac xxx
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Says a Man. 
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Dude44: What would have happened if Microsoft had never issued an upgrade to Windows??.....we would still be working with Windows98!!....same with the Koran. The bible could do with an upgrade too now that I think about it.
Do not take the name of Microsoft in vain!
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mnowsa: In my understanding, stoning and flogging are two very tough and technical aspects of islamic jurisprudence, and they will be considered only in a country which is ruled according to the law and principles of islam. And as far as the issues of "arrange marriage" and "the oppression of women" concerned, i would say, they are more part of some cultural realities than islamic creed.
But they only happen in accordance of faith, no matter WHERE they are or what country they are in. Arrange marriages or forced marriages happen in all countries where muslims reside, even in the UK where it is reported that 3,000 women in 2008 were forced into an arranged marriage.
It matters not if they are cultural, it only really happens in the muslim arena.
I laugh at your comment that stoning and flogging is only considered in a country which is ruled by islam....so that makes it okay does it?
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gininitaly: Says a Man.
If you hit the quote button we know to which post u refer
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mnowsa: Gosh....i wish i could summarize all the aspects of islam in a few lines or paragraphs, steve, but i am not really an islamic scholar. .
I never summarized ALL aspects of islam....merely the major points that the west find 'strange' in the modern world..some will say it is even barbaric. It is also a point that you cannot deny exists either.
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How's this for barbarism? Please don't view if you are sensitive as it is upsetting.
Kenyan muslims adhering to Islamic sharia law beat and burned to death five men and women accused of witchcraft. this is a most horrific and brutal way to kill a human being and as one can observe the muslim thugs used small branches which would increase suffering by prolonging death. Islam being the dealth cult that it is to kill a person in such a manner means nothing to them, as their so called religion was built upon the slaughter of innocent women, children and men.
Kenyan muslims adhering to Islamic sharia law beat and burned to death five men and women accused of witchcraft. this is a most horrific and brutal way to kill a human being and as one can observe the muslim thugs used small branches which would increase suffering by prolonging death. Islam being the dealth cult that it is to kill a person in such a manner means nothing to them, as their so called religion was built upon the slaughter of innocent women, children and men.
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Oops that was in response to Mnowsa's thoughts above.
But personally I don't feel much different about the Catholic church or any other religion that uses it's might and condemnation to control the ignorant masses.
I'm still waiting for the holy "Think for Yourself, do your homework and then form an opinion" church of the gourmet potluck...
But til then... the Golden Rule seems to work best
Treat others as you'd like to be treated
In response to: islam. And as far as the issues of "arrange marriage" and "the oppression of women" concerned, i would say, they are more part of some cultural realities than islamic creed.
But personally I don't feel much different about the Catholic church or any other religion that uses it's might and condemnation to control the ignorant masses.
I'm still waiting for the holy "Think for Yourself, do your homework and then form an opinion" church of the gourmet potluck...
But til then... the Golden Rule seems to work best
Treat others as you'd like to be treated
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jac379: I think that works in lots of ways - Christian, Muslim, eastern, western, man, woman.
We all have fixed ideas and find it hard to accept that they are maybe not the best.
In the same way that the "all men..." and "all women" threads can be destructive, it strikes me that if Muslim men come onto a thread, they are instantly held accountable for all the negativity that we see in their religion, culture, part of the planet, without letting them evolve as a persona on the forums as is the case with non-Muslims.
Not every Christian believes in the bible down to the last word, not everybody in a country is responsible for every political decision made by their Government.
Hell, nobody even voted for the government we have in Britain.
Maybe there are some Muslims who don't think that all the wisdom of this world is in the holy book. They don't get much of a chance to be heard without mass generalisations intruding.
Jac xxx
We all have fixed ideas and find it hard to accept that they are maybe not the best.
In the same way that the "all men..." and "all women" threads can be destructive, it strikes me that if Muslim men come onto a thread, they are instantly held accountable for all the negativity that we see in their religion, culture, part of the planet, without letting them evolve as a persona on the forums as is the case with non-Muslims.
Not every Christian believes in the bible down to the last word, not everybody in a country is responsible for every political decision made by their Government.
Hell, nobody even voted for the government we have in Britain.
Maybe there are some Muslims who don't think that all the wisdom of this world is in the holy book. They don't get much of a chance to be heard without mass generalisations intruding.
Jac xxx
Ill agree with you if you agree to marry me....
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muslim women like their men.if they dont mind about such way of life why i should care about it.
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I think those of us who live in areas of the globe where muslims are in a tiny minority are probably less aware of the dangers of radical islam. Here in the UK radical islam is frightening and there are plenty of youtube clips about demonstations by radical islamists. Non-radicals don't speak out against their 'brothers' and to be honest if I were them I would be 5hit-scared of doing so too.
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