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Conrad73: http://www.rosenblit.com/Palestine.htm
you all get a friggen Clue!
The local Arab identification as “southern Syrian” was succinctly summarized by Auni Bey Abd al-Hadi, Secretary-General of the Arab Higher Committee of Mandatory Palestine, in his testimony to the Palestine Royal Commission of 1936 (commonly known as the “Peel Commission”), created by Great Britain in response to the “Great Arab Revolt” (1936 - 1939) in Mandatory Palestine:
“There is no such country [as Palestine]! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was, for centuries, part of Syria.”
In deference to this longstanding non-assertion of "Palestinian" ethnic identity, the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine of 1922 referred to the local Arab population, collectively, as "existing non-Jewish communities", and the United Nations Palestine Partition Plan of 1947 referred throughout only to the creation of an Arab (rather than a “Palestinian”) State and to the prospective citizenry thereof as Arabs (rather than as “Palestinians”), while United Nations Security Council Resolution no. 242 of 1967 referred to them only as "the refugee problem". In other words, the very language of these international instruments confirms that the vaunted concept of a "Palestinian" ethnic identity is a fabrication of more recent origin (popularized together with the nouveau appellation "West Bank" -- a de-Judaizing substitution for the historical names Judea and Samaria plus the eastern portion of Jerusalem -- in the aftermath of the 1967 Six Day War).
Moreover, during the 19 years (from 1948 to 1967) that Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, and Gaza were illegally occupied, respectively, by Jordan and Egypt, neither the “Palestinian” Arab inhabitants of those areas nor the larger Arab and Muslim worlds ever asserted the existence therein of either an ethnically distinct "Palestinian" people or a historical nation-state (or kingdom or other sovereign entity) known as “Palestine”. It is consequently not surprising that during this same period, there was never any demand from any quarter for the establishment in Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, and Gaza of a "Palestinian" state. In fact, the Arabs of Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, after having emphatically insisted that they were “southern Syrians” prior to Israel’s 1948 War of Independence, supinely accepted that they were “Jordanians” from 1948 to 1967 -- only to assert their identity as “Palestinians” after the Jewish people’s reacquisition of these territories in the Six Day War. Moreover, per Article 24 of the original National Covenant of the Palestine Liberation Organization enacted May 28, 1964. the leadership of the "Palestinian" people even went so far as to publicly disavow any claim of sovereignty to these very areas during those 19 years of illegal occupation by Jordan and Egypt.
The name Palestine was in use during W1 as our troops spent time at a place called Palestine . Not to sure if countries existed there until Allenby drew them up . I has a surveyor do a job for me 5 years ago . He worked for the UN marking the border between Kuwait and Iraq as It had not been surveyed . So I guess Kuwait and Iraq did not exit in modern terms until 5 years ago either . One of the most interesting men I have ever had the pleasure to meet .you all get a friggen Clue!
The local Arab identification as “southern Syrian” was succinctly summarized by Auni Bey Abd al-Hadi, Secretary-General of the Arab Higher Committee of Mandatory Palestine, in his testimony to the Palestine Royal Commission of 1936 (commonly known as the “Peel Commission”), created by Great Britain in response to the “Great Arab Revolt” (1936 - 1939) in Mandatory Palestine:
“There is no such country [as Palestine]! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was, for centuries, part of Syria.”
In deference to this longstanding non-assertion of "Palestinian" ethnic identity, the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine of 1922 referred to the local Arab population, collectively, as "existing non-Jewish communities", and the United Nations Palestine Partition Plan of 1947 referred throughout only to the creation of an Arab (rather than a “Palestinian”) State and to the prospective citizenry thereof as Arabs (rather than as “Palestinians”), while United Nations Security Council Resolution no. 242 of 1967 referred to them only as "the refugee problem". In other words, the very language of these international instruments confirms that the vaunted concept of a "Palestinian" ethnic identity is a fabrication of more recent origin (popularized together with the nouveau appellation "West Bank" -- a de-Judaizing substitution for the historical names Judea and Samaria plus the eastern portion of Jerusalem -- in the aftermath of the 1967 Six Day War).
Moreover, during the 19 years (from 1948 to 1967) that Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, and Gaza were illegally occupied, respectively, by Jordan and Egypt, neither the “Palestinian” Arab inhabitants of those areas nor the larger Arab and Muslim worlds ever asserted the existence therein of either an ethnically distinct "Palestinian" people or a historical nation-state (or kingdom or other sovereign entity) known as “Palestine”. It is consequently not surprising that during this same period, there was never any demand from any quarter for the establishment in Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, and Gaza of a "Palestinian" state. In fact, the Arabs of Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, after having emphatically insisted that they were “southern Syrians” prior to Israel’s 1948 War of Independence, supinely accepted that they were “Jordanians” from 1948 to 1967 -- only to assert their identity as “Palestinians” after the Jewish people’s reacquisition of these territories in the Six Day War. Moreover, per Article 24 of the original National Covenant of the Palestine Liberation Organization enacted May 28, 1964. the leadership of the "Palestinian" people even went so far as to publicly disavow any claim of sovereignty to these very areas during those 19 years of illegal occupation by Jordan and Egypt.
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epirb: The name Palestine was in use during W1 as our troops spent time at a place called Palestine . Not to sure if countries existed there until Allenby drew them up . I has a surveyor do a job for me 5 years ago . He worked for the UN marking the border between Kuwait and Iraq as It had not been surveyed . So I guess Kuwait and Iraq did not exit in modern terms until 5 years ago either . One of the most interesting men I have ever had the pleasure to meet .
Jordan probably was the first,since it was a part of the British Mandate!
The Jewish Claim to Mecca
Although little known, and never mentioned by the international media, the Jewish people have a valid claim to Mecca, based upon the Koran, Sura 2 “The Cow”, Verses 125-127:
“And then We made the House a [place of] pilgrimage for men and a [place of] security, and : Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim . And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying: Purify My House for those who visit and those who abide [in it] for devotion and those who bow down those who prostrate themselves, And then Ibrahim said: My Lord, make it a secure town and provide its people with fruits such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day. He said: And whoever disbelieves, I will grant him enjoyment for a short while, then I will drive him to the Chastisement of the Fire; and it is an evil destination. And then Ibrahim and Ismail built the foundations of the House : Our Lord! Accept [this House] from us; surely You are the all-Hearing, the all-Knowing.”
The “House” in the Koranic verse is universally interpreted by all streams of Islam to be the ancient stone structure in Mecca known as “al-Kaaba”, which represents the climax of the Hajj. Since Abraham, the progenitor of the Jewish people, was chosen by Allah to build al-Kaaba, we -- being his Covenantal progeny -- can claim Mecca as our inheritance.
Notwithstanding, our authentic claim to Mecca, I would agree to forego it in exchange for the Sunni Muslim World’s abandonment of its faux claim to Jerusalem.
© Mark Rosenblit
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Conrad73: Jordan probably was the first,since it was a part of the British Mandate!
The Jewish Claim to Mecca
Although little known, and never mentioned by the international media, the Jewish people have a valid claim to Mecca, based upon the Koran, Sura 2 “The Cow”, Verses 125-127:
“And then We made the House a [place of] pilgrimage for men and a [place of] security, and : Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim . And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying: Purify My House for those who visit and those who abide [in it] for devotion and those who bow down those who prostrate themselves, And then Ibrahim said: My Lord, make it a secure town and provide its people with fruits such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day. He said: And whoever disbelieves, I will grant him enjoyment for a short while, then I will drive him to the Chastisement of the Fire; and it is an evil destination. And then Ibrahim and Ismail built the foundations of the House : Our Lord! Accept [this House] from us; surely You are the all-Hearing, the all-Knowing.”
The “House” in the Koranic verse is universally interpreted by all streams of Islam to be the ancient stone structure in Mecca known as “al-Kaaba”, which represents the climax of the Hajj. Since Abraham, the progenitor of the Jewish people, was chosen by Allah to build al-Kaaba, we -- being his Covenantal progeny -- can claim Mecca as our inheritance.
Notwithstanding, our authentic claim to Mecca, I would agree to forego it in exchange for the Sunni Muslim World’s abandonment of its faux claim to Jerusalem.
© Mark Rosenblit
I think if the Jews have ago at recovering Mecca it will be a case of "double or quits " Not a horse to backThe Jewish Claim to Mecca
Although little known, and never mentioned by the international media, the Jewish people have a valid claim to Mecca, based upon the Koran, Sura 2 “The Cow”, Verses 125-127:
“And then We made the House a [place of] pilgrimage for men and a [place of] security, and : Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim . And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying: Purify My House for those who visit and those who abide [in it] for devotion and those who bow down those who prostrate themselves, And then Ibrahim said: My Lord, make it a secure town and provide its people with fruits such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day. He said: And whoever disbelieves, I will grant him enjoyment for a short while, then I will drive him to the Chastisement of the Fire; and it is an evil destination. And then Ibrahim and Ismail built the foundations of the House : Our Lord! Accept [this House] from us; surely You are the all-Hearing, the all-Knowing.”
The “House” in the Koranic verse is universally interpreted by all streams of Islam to be the ancient stone structure in Mecca known as “al-Kaaba”, which represents the climax of the Hajj. Since Abraham, the progenitor of the Jewish people, was chosen by Allah to build al-Kaaba, we -- being his Covenantal progeny -- can claim Mecca as our inheritance.
Notwithstanding, our authentic claim to Mecca, I would agree to forego it in exchange for the Sunni Muslim World’s abandonment of its faux claim to Jerusalem.
© Mark Rosenblit
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epirb: I think if the Jews have ago at recovering Mecca it will be a case of "double or quits " Not a horse to back
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Mark Rosenblit,a non biased Jew.Next one Con.Nice try. The palestinians are """Phantoms""" and ONLY the Jews survived their """Identity""" for 2000 years.Next biased article please????
Conrad73: Jordan probably was the first,since it was a part of the British Mandate!
The Jewish Claim to Mecca
Although little known, and never mentioned by the international media, the Jewish people have a valid claim to Mecca, based upon the Koran, Sura 2 “The Cow”, Verses 125-127:
“And then We made the House a [place of] pilgrimage for men and a [place of] security, and : Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim . And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying: Purify My House for those who visit and those who abide [in it] for devotion and those who bow down those who prostrate themselves, And then Ibrahim said: My Lord, make it a secure town and provide its people with fruits such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day. He said: And whoever disbelieves, I will grant him enjoyment for a short while, then I will drive him to the Chastisement of the Fire; and it is an evil destination. And then Ibrahim and Ismail built the foundations of the House : Our Lord! Accept [this House] from us; surely You are the all-Hearing, the all-Knowing.”
The “House” in the Koranic verse is universally interpreted by all streams of Islam to be the ancient stone structure in Mecca known as “al-Kaaba”, which represents the climax of the Hajj. Since Abraham, the progenitor of the Jewish people, was chosen by Allah to build al-Kaaba, we -- being his Covenantal progeny -- can claim Mecca as our inheritance.
Notwithstanding, our authentic claim to Mecca, I would agree to forego it in exchange for the Sunni Muslim World’s abandonment of its faux claim to Jerusalem.
© Mark Rosenblit
The Jewish Claim to Mecca
Although little known, and never mentioned by the international media, the Jewish people have a valid claim to Mecca, based upon the Koran, Sura 2 “The Cow”, Verses 125-127:
“And then We made the House a [place of] pilgrimage for men and a [place of] security, and : Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim . And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying: Purify My House for those who visit and those who abide [in it] for devotion and those who bow down those who prostrate themselves, And then Ibrahim said: My Lord, make it a secure town and provide its people with fruits such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day. He said: And whoever disbelieves, I will grant him enjoyment for a short while, then I will drive him to the Chastisement of the Fire; and it is an evil destination. And then Ibrahim and Ismail built the foundations of the House : Our Lord! Accept [this House] from us; surely You are the all-Hearing, the all-Knowing.”
The “House” in the Koranic verse is universally interpreted by all streams of Islam to be the ancient stone structure in Mecca known as “al-Kaaba”, which represents the climax of the Hajj. Since Abraham, the progenitor of the Jewish people, was chosen by Allah to build al-Kaaba, we -- being his Covenantal progeny -- can claim Mecca as our inheritance.
Notwithstanding, our authentic claim to Mecca, I would agree to forego it in exchange for the Sunni Muslim World’s abandonment of its faux claim to Jerusalem.
© Mark Rosenblit
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Mosab Hassan Yousef (Son of Hamas Founder) tells the truth about Hamas.
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chris27292729: Mark Rosenblit,a non biased Jew.Next one Con.Nice try. The palestinians are """Phantoms""" and ONLY the Jews survived their """Identity""" for 2000 years.Next biased article please????
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chris27292729: Mark Rosenblit,a non biased Jew.Next one Con.Nice try. The palestinians are """Phantoms""" and ONLY the Jews survived their """Identity""" for 2000 years.Next biased article please????
By their own admission by those same "Palestinian Leaders,I might add!
Shesh,Chris,don't you read?
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chris27292729: Mark Rosenblit,a non biased Jew.Next one Con.Nice try. The palestinians are """Phantoms""" and ONLY the Jews survived their """Identity""" for 2000 years.Next biased article please????
you all get a friggen Clue!
The local Arab identification as “southern Syrian” was succinctly summarized by Auni Bey Abd al-Hadi, Secretary-General of the Arab Higher Committee of Mandatory Palestine, in his testimony to the Palestine Royal Commission of 1936 (commonly known as the “Peel Commission”), created by Great Britain in response to the “Great Arab Revolt” (1936 - 1939) in Mandatory Palestine:
“There is no such country [as Palestine]! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was, for centuries, part of Syria.”
In deference to this longstanding non-assertion of "Palestinian" ethnic identity, the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine of 1922 referred to the local Arab population, collectively, as "existing non-Jewish communities", and the United Nations Palestine Partition Plan of 1947 referred throughout only to the creation of an Arab (rather than a “Palestinian”) State and to the prospective citizenry thereof as Arabs (rather than as “Palestinians”), while United Nations Security Council Resolution no. 242 of 1967 referred to them only as "the refugee problem". In other words, the very language of these international instruments confirms that the vaunted concept of a "Palestinian" ethnic identity is a fabrication of more recent origin (popularized together with the nouveau appellation "West Bank" -- a de-Judaizing substitution for the historical names Judea and Samaria plus the eastern portion of Jerusalem -- in the aftermath of the 1967 Six Day War).
Moreover, during the 19 years (from 1948 to 1967) that Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, and Gaza were illegally occupied, respectively, by Jordan and Egypt, neither the “Palestinian” Arab inhabitants of those areas nor the larger Arab and Muslim worlds ever asserted the existence therein of either an ethnically distinct "Palestinian" people or a historical nation-state (or kingdom or other sovereign entity) known as “Palestine”. It is consequently not surprising that during this same period, there was never any demand from any quarter for the establishment in Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, and Gaza of a "Palestinian" state. In fact, the Arabs of Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, after having emphatically insisted that they were “southern Syrians” prior to Israel’s 1948 War of Independence, supinely accepted that they were “Jordanians” from 1948 to 1967 -- only to assert their identity as “Palestinians” after the Jewish people’s reacquisition of these territories in the Six Day War. Moreover, per Article 24 of the original National Covenant of the Palestine Liberation Organization enacted May 28, 1964. the leadership of the "Palestinian" people even went so far as to publicly disavow any claim of sovereignty to these very areas during those 19 years of illegal occupation by Jordan and Egypt.
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Conrad73: Since the P.L.O.’s original Covenant explicitly recognized the “West Bank” (i.e., Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount) and Gaza as belonging to other Arab states, even declaring that the P.L.O. “does not interfere in the internal affairs of any Arab State”, the only "Arab homeland" of "Palestine" which that organization sought to "liberate" in 1964 was the State of Israel within its 1949 armistice demarcation lines. However, in response to the Jewish people's reclamation in the 1967 Six Day War of those illegally-occupied areas, the Palestine Liberation Organization thereupon revised its National Covenant on July 17, 1968 to, inter alia, remove the operative language of Article 24 therefrom, thereby reversing its prior declaration that those areas did not belong to "Palestine" and thereby -- for the first time -- asserting a "Palestinian" claim of sovereignty thereto. Being indisputably based upon the changing status of Jewish territorial reclamation, the “Palestinian” renunciation of sovereignty and subsequent cancellation of that renunciation demonstrate that the “nationalism” espoused by the “Palestinians” has nothing to do with their professed desire to create a State for themselves, and everything to do with their desire to dismantle the preexisting Jewish State.
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Conrad73: More recently, the inauthenticity of “Palestinian” ethnicity was publicly reiterated -- due to economic necessity -- by Fathi Hammad, then Hamas’ Minister of the Interior and of National Security, as part of his demand that Egypt provide more diesel fuel to Hamas-ruled Gaza:
“Allah be praised, we all have Arab roots; and every Palestinian, in Gaza and throughout Palestine, can prove his Arab roots -- whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere. We have blood ties. So where is your affection and mercy? . . . Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called [by the last name] al-Masri [meaning: “the Egyptian”]. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians. We are Arabs. We are Muslims. We are a part of you.” (Excerpt from speech aired on Egypt-based Al-Hekmah TV, March 23, 2012)
Consequently, the spurious claim of a separate and distinct "Palestinian" ethnic identity -- together with its corollary claim of contemporary "Palestinian" collective ownership of the Land of Israel (especially Judea, Samaria, the eastern portion of Jerusalem and Gaza, over which territories the “Palestinians” have previously renounced any such claim) -- is merely a modern adaptation by the Arab nations and the larger Muslim world of that ancient propaganda device fashioned by the Roman Empire to delegitimize the almost four millennia old national Jewish claim to the biblical Land of Israel, as the first stage of their revised long-term plan to destroy the resurrected State of Israel.
[Note: Just as the "Palestinians" are not an authentic ethnic group, neither are the "Israelis" -- comprising not only resident Jews but also Circassians, Samaritans, Arabs, Druze, Gypsies and other gentiles who have been permitted to become citizens of Israel -- an authentic ethnic group. However, the Jews -- unlike the "Palestinians" -- do constitute such an authentic ethnic group.]
© Mark S. Rosenblit
“Allah be praised, we all have Arab roots; and every Palestinian, in Gaza and throughout Palestine, can prove his Arab roots -- whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere. We have blood ties. So where is your affection and mercy? . . . Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called [by the last name] al-Masri [meaning: “the Egyptian”]. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians. We are Arabs. We are Muslims. We are a part of you.” (Excerpt from speech aired on Egypt-based Al-Hekmah TV, March 23, 2012)
Consequently, the spurious claim of a separate and distinct "Palestinian" ethnic identity -- together with its corollary claim of contemporary "Palestinian" collective ownership of the Land of Israel (especially Judea, Samaria, the eastern portion of Jerusalem and Gaza, over which territories the “Palestinians” have previously renounced any such claim) -- is merely a modern adaptation by the Arab nations and the larger Muslim world of that ancient propaganda device fashioned by the Roman Empire to delegitimize the almost four millennia old national Jewish claim to the biblical Land of Israel, as the first stage of their revised long-term plan to destroy the resurrected State of Israel.
[Note: Just as the "Palestinians" are not an authentic ethnic group, neither are the "Israelis" -- comprising not only resident Jews but also Circassians, Samaritans, Arabs, Druze, Gypsies and other gentiles who have been permitted to become citizens of Israel -- an authentic ethnic group. However, the Jews -- unlike the "Palestinians" -- do constitute such an authentic ethnic group.]
© Mark S. Rosenblit
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Jaymack: He made it up Galtoil,thats what they do to suit them.
something like you Guys,ha?------ This thread is Archived ------
epirb: you don't support the Jewish claim to Mecca Chris ?
Of course i do,as well the jewish claim to UR, Abrahams birth place.-
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chris27292729: Mark Rosenblit,a non biased Jew.Next one Con.Nice try. The palestinians are """Phantoms""" and ONLY the Jews survived their """Identity""" for 2000 years.Next biased article please????
Athens is next!
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the ceasefire agreement has been broken... Hamas again.. 
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Merriweather: the ceasefire agreement has been broken... Hamas again..
What a surprise!
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Conrad73: What a surprise!
You are not surprised... I know so... lol
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In His prophetic Word, God calls this restored Land "Israel" - not "Palestine": "I will open up your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the Land of Israel" (Ezekiel 37:12). The name "Palestine" comes from the Philistines, the ancient enemies of the Jewish people. "Palestine" was the derogatory name given to the Land of Israel by the Romans after they conquered us. But throughout the Word of God, this Land is always called Israel - never Palestine.
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