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chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Postsraphael119: They ought to break up the middle east into pre ww1 tribal states. Then israel would be just one of 100 ongoing conflicts.
There was NO and never existed a country, state,region or tribal state,called Israel,"""into pre ww1 tribal states"""...
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chris27292729: There was NO and never existed a country, state,region or tribal state,called Israel,"""into pre ww1 tribal states"""...
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The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear, Israel is clearly involved in terrorism, war crimes on a massive scale.
It would be true to say Hamas chose the path of violence however Netanyahu has repeatedly resorted to the use of violence and also broke the peace accord in the West Bank as well.
It would be true to say Hamas chose the path of violence however Netanyahu has repeatedly resorted to the use of violence and also broke the peace accord in the West Bank as well.
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However, although the province had been converted from Judea (the Latin-language word for which was Iudaea, meaning Land of the Jews) to Palestine (the Latin-language word for which was Palaestina, meaning Land of the Philistines), and although a vengeful Rome massacred and expelled much of the Land's Jewish inhabitants, it nonetheless continued to be populated by Jews, together with substantial populations of other ethnic groups, but hardly any Arabs, at least until the colonialist Islamic Arab invasion of 638 CE. However, even under the rule of the Arab and all subsequently superseding empires, the Jewish people nevertheless maintained a continuous national presence in the non-sovereign territory of "Palestine" -- right up until the resurrection therein of the Jewish nation-state of Israel in 1948.
In contrast, the ersatz people identified nowadays as the "Palestinians" are a collection of diverse Arab clans plus a smattering of other ethnic groups (such as Serbs -- these are the so-called Bosnian Muslims who were Serbian Orthodox Christians before their forced conversion to Islam -- as well as Circassians and Chechens, all imported by the Ottoman Empire from their lands of origin to the Middle East, including the Land of Israel, several centuries ago), who, for reasons virtually identical to those of the Roman Empire, have, since Israel's Six Day War of 1967, publicly declared themselves to be a distinct ethnic nation named after those very same defunct Philistines -- this despite the fact that the ancient Philistines were not even Arabs.
Moreover, in light of “Palestinian” claims to aboriginal status, it is ironic and noteworthy that the English-language cognate words “Palestine” and “Philistine”, as well as the Arabic-language word “Falastin”, are all derived (via Latin and, before that, Greek) from the biblical Hebrew-language word “Pelishtim” (“Philistines”), whose literal meaning is: “Invaders”. It is indeed telling that the “Palestinians” have created for themselves a faux ethnic identity whose very name originates, not from their own Arabic language, but rather from the Hebrew language.
That the "Palestinian" Arabs constitute a fictitious people is hardly surprising due to the fact that, by 1948, a substantial portion of the "Palestinian" Arab population resident in British-administered Mandatory Palestine originated, not from that territory, but rather from the surrounding Arab lands which now comprise the modern states of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt. The mass immigration of impoverished Arabs to the Land of Israel during the Mandatory period was triggered mainly by the many economic opportunities created by the mass Jewish immigration to the Land authorized by the League of Nations in 1920 via the latter’s creation of the Mandate for Palestine.
and that's a Fact,even if it was compiled by a Jew!
In contrast, the ersatz people identified nowadays as the "Palestinians" are a collection of diverse Arab clans plus a smattering of other ethnic groups (such as Serbs -- these are the so-called Bosnian Muslims who were Serbian Orthodox Christians before their forced conversion to Islam -- as well as Circassians and Chechens, all imported by the Ottoman Empire from their lands of origin to the Middle East, including the Land of Israel, several centuries ago), who, for reasons virtually identical to those of the Roman Empire, have, since Israel's Six Day War of 1967, publicly declared themselves to be a distinct ethnic nation named after those very same defunct Philistines -- this despite the fact that the ancient Philistines were not even Arabs.
Moreover, in light of “Palestinian” claims to aboriginal status, it is ironic and noteworthy that the English-language cognate words “Palestine” and “Philistine”, as well as the Arabic-language word “Falastin”, are all derived (via Latin and, before that, Greek) from the biblical Hebrew-language word “Pelishtim” (“Philistines”), whose literal meaning is: “Invaders”. It is indeed telling that the “Palestinians” have created for themselves a faux ethnic identity whose very name originates, not from their own Arabic language, but rather from the Hebrew language.
That the "Palestinian" Arabs constitute a fictitious people is hardly surprising due to the fact that, by 1948, a substantial portion of the "Palestinian" Arab population resident in British-administered Mandatory Palestine originated, not from that territory, but rather from the surrounding Arab lands which now comprise the modern states of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt. The mass immigration of impoverished Arabs to the Land of Israel during the Mandatory period was triggered mainly by the many economic opportunities created by the mass Jewish immigration to the Land authorized by the League of Nations in 1920 via the latter’s creation of the Mandate for Palestine.
and that's a Fact,even if it was compiled by a Jew!
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chris27292729: There was NO and never existed a country, state,region or tribal state,called Israel,"""into pre ww1 tribal states"""...
You Greeks are even in the Picture as Philistia!
In the Gaza-Strip!
So,since the Palestinians are "Descendants of the Greek Philistines",and since they are already occupying Gaza,why do they crow for more Land?
Don't they already been given back what historically has belonged to them,Gaza?
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Conrad73: However, although the province had been converted from Judea (the Latin-language word for which was Iudaea, meaning Land of the Jews) to Palestine (the Latin-language word for which was Palaestina, meaning Land of the Philistines), and although a vengeful Rome massacred and expelled much of the Land's Jewish inhabitants, it nonetheless continued to be populated by Jews, together with substantial populations of other ethnic groups, but hardly any Arabs, at least until the colonialist Islamic Arab invasion of 638 CE. However, even under the rule of the Arab and all subsequently superseding empires, the Jewish people nevertheless maintained a continuous national presence in the non-sovereign territory of "Palestine" -- right up until the resurrection therein of the Jewish nation-state of Israel in 1948.
In contrast, the ersatz people identified nowadays as the "Palestinians" are a collection of diverse Arab clans plus a smattering of other ethnic groups (such as Serbs -- these are the so-called Bosnian Muslims who were Serbian Orthodox Christians before their forced conversion to Islam -- as well as Circassians and Chechens, all imported by the Ottoman Empire from their lands of origin to the Middle East, including the Land of Israel, several centuries ago), who, for reasons virtually identical to those of the Roman Empire, have, since Israel's Six Day War of 1967, publicly declared themselves to be a distinct ethnic nation named after those very same defunct Philistines -- this despite the fact that the ancient Philistines were not even Arabs.
Moreover, in light of “Palestinian” claims to aboriginal status, it is ironic and noteworthy that the English-language cognate words “Palestine” and “Philistine”, as well as the Arabic-language word “Falastin”, are all derived (via Latin and, before that, Greek) from the biblical Hebrew-language word “Pelishtim” (“Philistines”), whose literal meaning is: “Invaders”. It is indeed telling that the “Palestinians” have created for themselves a faux ethnic identity whose very name originates, not from their own Arabic language, but rather from the Hebrew language.
That the "Palestinian" Arabs constitute a fictitious people is hardly surprising due to the fact that, by 1948, a substantial portion of the "Palestinian" Arab population resident in British-administered Mandatory Palestine originated, not from that territory, but rather from the surrounding Arab lands which now comprise the modern states of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt. The mass immigration of impoverished Arabs to the Land of Israel during the Mandatory period was triggered mainly by the many economic opportunities created by the mass Jewish immigration to the Land authorized by the League of Nations in 1920 via the latter’s creation of the Mandate for Palestine.
and that's a Fact,even if it was compiled by a Jew!
Its not that long ago that Israel's borders were open to the people who now call themselves Palestinians to take advantage of well paid work . If the radicals had not started blowing themselves up the border and the work would still be open to them . It does not matter what they call them selves they deserve to rule themselves on their own land . Problem is they think they can get there by killing Jews .They nearly had it but wanted the right of return .In contrast, the ersatz people identified nowadays as the "Palestinians" are a collection of diverse Arab clans plus a smattering of other ethnic groups (such as Serbs -- these are the so-called Bosnian Muslims who were Serbian Orthodox Christians before their forced conversion to Islam -- as well as Circassians and Chechens, all imported by the Ottoman Empire from their lands of origin to the Middle East, including the Land of Israel, several centuries ago), who, for reasons virtually identical to those of the Roman Empire, have, since Israel's Six Day War of 1967, publicly declared themselves to be a distinct ethnic nation named after those very same defunct Philistines -- this despite the fact that the ancient Philistines were not even Arabs.
Moreover, in light of “Palestinian” claims to aboriginal status, it is ironic and noteworthy that the English-language cognate words “Palestine” and “Philistine”, as well as the Arabic-language word “Falastin”, are all derived (via Latin and, before that, Greek) from the biblical Hebrew-language word “Pelishtim” (“Philistines”), whose literal meaning is: “Invaders”. It is indeed telling that the “Palestinians” have created for themselves a faux ethnic identity whose very name originates, not from their own Arabic language, but rather from the Hebrew language.
That the "Palestinian" Arabs constitute a fictitious people is hardly surprising due to the fact that, by 1948, a substantial portion of the "Palestinian" Arab population resident in British-administered Mandatory Palestine originated, not from that territory, but rather from the surrounding Arab lands which now comprise the modern states of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt. The mass immigration of impoverished Arabs to the Land of Israel during the Mandatory period was triggered mainly by the many economic opportunities created by the mass Jewish immigration to the Land authorized by the League of Nations in 1920 via the latter’s creation of the Mandate for Palestine.
and that's a Fact,even if it was compiled by a Jew!
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epirb: Its not that long ago that Israel's borders were open to the people who now call themselves Palestinians to take advantage of well paid work . If the radicals had not started blowing themselves up the border and the work would still be open to them . It does not matter what they call them selves they deserve to rule themselves on their own land . Problem is they think they can get there by killing Jews .They nearly had it but wanted the right of return .
That's the sad thing!
That's why I wonder sometime if they really want what they claim they want!
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raphael119: They ought to break up the middle east into pre ww1 tribal states. Then israel would be just one of 100 ongoing conflicts.
pre-WWI all of that was occupied by the Ottoman-Empire who was on the losing side in WWI!
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chris27292729: There was NO and never existed a country, state,region or tribal state,called Israel,"""into pre ww1 tribal states"""...
I think you mean Palestine, and rob it is the Muslims who target civilians world wide. They are no less innocent in their own countries. The Israelis have been largely defensive. The whole area is a war zone now priamrly due to the Arabs. So yes there have been civilian casualties on both sides. It is a war/battle ground.
I haven't seen the Israelis bomb a German nightclub or target innocents civilians in NYC or Boston....sorry no sympathy for that lot here....
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And you know!!!! 
Conrad73: Chris,as usual you howl with the Wolves but don't know Squat,and that's a Fact!
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It is time starting packing your bags. The haka wont help you. The Maoris demand their land back. epirb: Its not that long ago that Israel's borders were open to the people who now call themselves Palestinians to take advantage of well paid work . If the radicals had not started blowing themselves up the border and the work would still be open to them . It does not matter what they call them selves they deserve to rule themselves on their own land . Problem is they think they can get there by killing Jews .They nearly had it but wanted the right of return .
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That lot, had a land stolen from them,and the result is by losing their land,they have become refugees.
felixis99: I think you mean Palestine, and rob it is the Muslims who target civilians world wide. They are no less innocent in their own countries. The Israelis have been largely defensive. The whole area is a war zone now priamrly due to the Arabs. So yes there have been civilian casualties on both sides. It is a war/battle ground.
I haven't seen the Israelis bomb a German nightclub or target innocents civilians in NYC or Boston....sorry no sympathy for that lot here....
I haven't seen the Israelis bomb a German nightclub or target innocents civilians in NYC or Boston....sorry no sympathy for that lot here....
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Conrad73: pre-WWI all of that was occupied by the Ottoman-Empire who was on the losing side in WWI!
Unlike you I wasnt there at the time.:laug
I know about Ottoman ,but it would make sense to divide into much smaller countries.
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Historically had lost their land for 2000 years.So the israelis,after 2000 came back to claim land ,which land was owned, for the same period,2000 years, by the Palestinians.
Conrad73: http://www.iamthewitness.com/img/The.Kingdoms.of.Israel.and.Judah.jpg
You Greeks are even in the Picture as Philistia!
In the Gaza-Strip!
So,since the Palestinians are "Descendants of the Greek Philistines",and since they are already occupying Gaza,why do they crow for more Land?
Don't they already been given back what historically has belonged to them,Gaza?
You Greeks are even in the Picture as Philistia!
In the Gaza-Strip!
So,since the Palestinians are "Descendants of the Greek Philistines",and since they are already occupying Gaza,why do they crow for more Land?
Don't they already been given back what historically has belonged to them,Gaza?
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robplum: Israel is clearly involved in terrorism, war crimes on a massive scale.
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chris27292729: Historically had lost their land for 2000 years.So the israelis,after 2000 came back to claim land ,which land was owned, for the same period,2000 years, by the Palestinians.
what Phooken Palestinians?The ones Arafat invented in '67?
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We will not dwell on the philosophical question of the Land being promised by G-d to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, our forefathers. (This sort of claim is dealt with in a separate question under this heading: "What is the basis for your claim that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish People?")
Here we will answer the Palestinian arguments using historical facts, including the prophecies recorded in the Bible and the books of the prophets:
The Bible tells us:
And I shall render the land desolate, and your enemies, dwelling in it, will be astonished … and your land will be barren, and your cities will be a ruin.
(Leviticus 26:32-33)
This prophecy, written over 3,000 years ago, makes it clear that in Biblical times, the Holy Land was productive and highly fertile. However, when deprived of her children, it is destined to become barren and desolate.
This is exactly what happened when the People of Israel went into exile.
Over a period of nearly two thousand years, various gentile nations made attempts to settle the land, but none succeeded. The Land of Israel reserved its fruits and its blessings only for her own children, the People of Israel. In their absence, the Land became a desolate expanse of wilderness and swamps. Pilgrims and travelers who passed through the region noted that the country had become nearly uninhabitable. Its population remained minimal.
In 1835, the French poet, Alphonse de Lamartine, visited Palestine. He wrote:
Outside the gates of Jerusalem, we saw indeed no living object, heard no living sound. We found the same void, the same silence … as we should have expected before the entombed gates of Pompeii … a complete, eternal silence reigns in the town, on the highways, in the country … the tomb of an entire people."
Recollections of the East, Vol. I, 1845
Mark Twain visited Palestine in 1867. He described his visit in Innocents Abroad:
There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.
A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. We reached Tabor safely. We never saw a human being on the whole route".
Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies. Palestine is desolate and unlovely. And why should it be otherwise? Can the curse of the Deity beautify a land?
Palestine is no more of this workday world. It is sacred to poetry and tradition, it is dreamland
Here we will answer the Palestinian arguments using historical facts, including the prophecies recorded in the Bible and the books of the prophets:
The Bible tells us:
And I shall render the land desolate, and your enemies, dwelling in it, will be astonished … and your land will be barren, and your cities will be a ruin.
(Leviticus 26:32-33)
This prophecy, written over 3,000 years ago, makes it clear that in Biblical times, the Holy Land was productive and highly fertile. However, when deprived of her children, it is destined to become barren and desolate.
This is exactly what happened when the People of Israel went into exile.
Over a period of nearly two thousand years, various gentile nations made attempts to settle the land, but none succeeded. The Land of Israel reserved its fruits and its blessings only for her own children, the People of Israel. In their absence, the Land became a desolate expanse of wilderness and swamps. Pilgrims and travelers who passed through the region noted that the country had become nearly uninhabitable. Its population remained minimal.
In 1835, the French poet, Alphonse de Lamartine, visited Palestine. He wrote:
Outside the gates of Jerusalem, we saw indeed no living object, heard no living sound. We found the same void, the same silence … as we should have expected before the entombed gates of Pompeii … a complete, eternal silence reigns in the town, on the highways, in the country … the tomb of an entire people."
Recollections of the East, Vol. I, 1845
Mark Twain visited Palestine in 1867. He described his visit in Innocents Abroad:
There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.
A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. We reached Tabor safely. We never saw a human being on the whole route".
Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies. Palestine is desolate and unlovely. And why should it be otherwise? Can the curse of the Deity beautify a land?
Palestine is no more of this workday world. It is sacred to poetry and tradition, it is dreamland
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harles Warren, British archeologist and researcher who did extensive research in Jerusalem, wrote in the year 1870:
The Land of Israel is bound up in the chains of its curse which hangs over it. The land has no redeemer, and it is a wasteland with no one to cultivate it or care for it.
According to Ottoman statistics studied by the American historian, Justin McCarthy, the population of Palestine in the early 19th century was 350,000; in 1860 it totaled 411,000. In 1900 Palestine had a population of about 600,000 of which 94% were Arabs. In 1914 Palestine had a population of 780,000 Arabs and the Jewish population had grown to 59,000.
The first Jewish settlers found a land smitten by malaria from the vast swamplands that desolated its once fertile expanses. The total population was scattered throughout the country. The majority dwelt in isolated villages, cut off from one another. There was no united national body. Neither did the population view Palestine as its national homeland. In fact, apart from the Jewish People, no nation at the time laid claim to the Holy Land as their homeland.
These descriptions testify to the fulfillment of the visions of the prophet Ezekiel, thousands of years previously. Only to the Jews, the true sons of the land, will the Land provide its fruits:
And you, O mountains of Israel! Give your branches, and bear your fruits for My people, Israel, for they are drawing near, to come.
Ezekiel 36:8
The land will welcome its returning sons with warm greetings, and will bestow its produce upon them.
When the Jews began returning to the Land and it again became green and verdant, many Arabs from neighboring areas also flocked to Palestine, hoping to benefit from its renewed fertility and prosperity. Arab refugees settled in the country, and presented themselves as long-time, well-established residents of the region whose families had resided there for generations.
Until recent times, no ethnic group was known as the Palestinians. The group that claims that name today is a collection of individuals from various countries who do not share a common history. Neither does this group possess the usual characteristics that define a nation as such. It is only the contemporary Arab-Israel conflict which serves to unite them. The image of a deprived and persecuted Palestinian people was invented for the purposes of anti-Israel propaganda, but the Land of Israel was not to be duped. It refused to recognize the Palestinians — who for centuries, had refused to live within its borders — as her children. Faithful to its sons in exile, it withheld the crops and harvests it had guarded for nearly two millennia from the pretenders to its blessings.
The Torah's predictions have been fulfilled. After World War One, Palestine and the present-day Jordan were home to only 700,000 souls. Today, less than a hundred years later, the population of Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank alone — excluding the Kingdom of Jordan — numbers over ten and one half million. This represents a 15-fold increase!
The facts demonstrate that this is a country which will flourish only when it is serving as the Jewish homeland. Its loyalty to Am Yisrael is indisputable.
As for the Palestinians assertion that Israel belongs to them, the Land itself is the first to refute this claim. The fact remains that the Palestinians have no history as a nation; neither have they any past ties to the land they seek to wrest by force from the Jews, whose return has brought it renewed life.
The Land of Israel is bound up in the chains of its curse which hangs over it. The land has no redeemer, and it is a wasteland with no one to cultivate it or care for it.
According to Ottoman statistics studied by the American historian, Justin McCarthy, the population of Palestine in the early 19th century was 350,000; in 1860 it totaled 411,000. In 1900 Palestine had a population of about 600,000 of which 94% were Arabs. In 1914 Palestine had a population of 780,000 Arabs and the Jewish population had grown to 59,000.
The first Jewish settlers found a land smitten by malaria from the vast swamplands that desolated its once fertile expanses. The total population was scattered throughout the country. The majority dwelt in isolated villages, cut off from one another. There was no united national body. Neither did the population view Palestine as its national homeland. In fact, apart from the Jewish People, no nation at the time laid claim to the Holy Land as their homeland.
These descriptions testify to the fulfillment of the visions of the prophet Ezekiel, thousands of years previously. Only to the Jews, the true sons of the land, will the Land provide its fruits:
And you, O mountains of Israel! Give your branches, and bear your fruits for My people, Israel, for they are drawing near, to come.
Ezekiel 36:8
The land will welcome its returning sons with warm greetings, and will bestow its produce upon them.
When the Jews began returning to the Land and it again became green and verdant, many Arabs from neighboring areas also flocked to Palestine, hoping to benefit from its renewed fertility and prosperity. Arab refugees settled in the country, and presented themselves as long-time, well-established residents of the region whose families had resided there for generations.
Until recent times, no ethnic group was known as the Palestinians. The group that claims that name today is a collection of individuals from various countries who do not share a common history. Neither does this group possess the usual characteristics that define a nation as such. It is only the contemporary Arab-Israel conflict which serves to unite them. The image of a deprived and persecuted Palestinian people was invented for the purposes of anti-Israel propaganda, but the Land of Israel was not to be duped. It refused to recognize the Palestinians — who for centuries, had refused to live within its borders — as her children. Faithful to its sons in exile, it withheld the crops and harvests it had guarded for nearly two millennia from the pretenders to its blessings.
The Torah's predictions have been fulfilled. After World War One, Palestine and the present-day Jordan were home to only 700,000 souls. Today, less than a hundred years later, the population of Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank alone — excluding the Kingdom of Jordan — numbers over ten and one half million. This represents a 15-fold increase!
The facts demonstrate that this is a country which will flourish only when it is serving as the Jewish homeland. Its loyalty to Am Yisrael is indisputable.
As for the Palestinians assertion that Israel belongs to them, the Land itself is the first to refute this claim. The fact remains that the Palestinians have no history as a nation; neither have they any past ties to the land they seek to wrest by force from the Jews, whose return has brought it renewed life.
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Shame Con.Not true that Arafat invented Palestine.. Please read.. ""UN resolution 181 (II). Palestine "" They voted on a resolution,how to divide PALESTINE.-
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Conrad73: what Phooken Palestinians?
The ones Arafat invented in '67?
The ones Arafat invented in '67?
Palestinians,Chris,NOT the Mandate of Palestine!
Please do some research if you want to keep up!
Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi told the Peel Commission in 1937: "There is no such country as 'Palestine'; 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented!"
In 1946, Arab historian Philip Hitti testified before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry that "there is no such thing as Palestine in history.”
In 1947, Arab leaders protesting the UN partition plan argued that Palestine was part of Syria and “politically, the Arabs of Palestine (were) not (an) independent separate … political entity.”
An executive committee member of the PLO Zahir Muhsein confirmed that there is no such thing as a separate “palestinian” people of Arab descent. In an interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw in March 31, 1977, he stated the following:
"The palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. “
Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:
The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.
For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.
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