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Aug 6, 2011 11:28 AM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
OOPS!


S&P downgrades U.S. credit rating for first time
By Zachary A. Goldfarb, Published: August 5 | Updated: Saturday, August 6, 12:35 AM
Standard & Poor’s announced Friday night that it has downgraded the U.S. credit rating for the first time, dealing a symbolic blow to the world’s economic superpower in what was a sharply worded critique of the American political system.

Lowering the nation’s rating to one notch below AAA, the credit rating company said “political brinkmanship” in the debate over the debt had made the U.S. government’s ability to manage its finances “less stable, less effective and less predictable.” It said the bipartisan agreement reached this week to find at least $2.1 trillion in budget savings “fell short” of what was necessary to tame the nation’s debt over time and predicted that leaders would not be likely to achieve more savings in the future.

“It’s always possible the rating will come back, but we don’t think it’s coming back anytime soon,” said David Beers, head of S&P’s government debt rating unit.

The decision came after a day of furious back-and-forth debate between the Obama administration and S&P. Treasury Department officials fought back hard, arguing that the firm’s political analysis was flawed and that it had made a numerical error in a draft of its downgrade report that overstated the deficit over 10 years by $2 trillion. Officials had reviewed the draft earlier in the day.

The downgrade to AA+ will push the global financial markets into uncharted territory after a volatile week fueled by concerns over a worsening debt crisis in Europe and a faltering economy in the United States.

The AAA rating has made the U.S. Treasury bond one of the world’s safest investments — and has helped the nation borrow at extraordinarily cheap rates to finance its government operations, including two wars and an expensive social safety net for retirees.

Treasury bonds have also been a stalwart of stability amid the economic upheaval of the past few years. The nation has had a AAA rating for 70 years.

Analysts say that, over time, the downgrade could push up borrowing costs for the U.S. government, costing taxpayers tens of billions of dollars a year. It could also drive up interest rates for consumers and companies seeking mortgages, credit cards and business loans.

A downgrade could also have a cascading series of effects on states and localities, including nearly all of those in the Washington metro area. These governments could lose their AAA credit ratings as well, potentially raising the cost of borrowing for schools, roads and parks.

But the exact effects of the downgrade won’t be known until at least Sunday night, when Asian markets open, and perhaps not fully grasped for months. Analysts say the initial effect on the markets could be modest because they have been anticipating an S&P downgrade for weeks.

Federal officials are also examining the impact of a downgrade in large but esoteric financial markets where U.S. government bonds serve an extremely important function. They were generally confident that markets would hold up but were closely monitoring the situation. Regulators said that the downgrade would not affect how banking rules treat Treasury bonds — as risk-free assets.

The ratings action immediately fueled partisan wrangling Friday night. Allies to President Obama said it underscored his call for a “grand bargain” that would trim $4 trillion from the federal budget involving a mix of tax revenue and spending cuts.

Republicans criticized Obama’s handling of the economy.


First time in US history. Gee.....wonder why?

doh
Aug 6, 2011 12:46 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
sad flower

22 members of SEAL TEAM 6 were killed in a Helo accident or shoot down in Afghanistan yesterday. Reports of from 31 to 38 were killed as a Chinook crashed in Eastern Afghanistan.

The Taliban are taking credit for a shoot down. And the military is saying there was hostile action in the area. But it is unclear to the cause at this point.

7 of the dead were Afghan soldier and President Karzai is sending his condolences to President Obama for the American lost. No names of the Americna have been releases pending notice of families.

None of the 22 Seal Team 6 were part of the bin Laden raid. Seal teams have two or three mission groups. Seems that this was a different mission group. But unclear at thsi point, if a stealth helo was involved. For it was the same Army helo unit that lifted Seal Team 6 on the bin Laden raid.

God bless them all and comfort their families in this time of lose.
sad flower
Aug 6, 2011 12:50 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Well I wonder just how many more have to die?Hope at the end I hope it was all worth whatever it is.



Aug 6, 2011 3:09 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
Class5: Well, that's a policy that would require some care. Raise company taxes too much and you'll see a fall in employment and philanthropy.

Kind of counter-productive wouldn't you say?


More of the same propaganda! The biggest creators of jobs in any economy are small and medium sized businesses. The same kind of businesses who are been choked of credit due to the banking and financial crises. So lets get away from this idea that the super wealthy create jobs. Its nonsense.
Bush and the republicans gave tax breaks to corporations to expand overseas. How does this help job creation?
Aug 6, 2011 3:11 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
mr1983: More of the same propaganda! The biggest creators of jobs in any economy are small and medium sized businesses. The same kind of businesses who are been choked of credit due to the banking and financial crises. So lets get away from this idea that the super wealthy create jobs. Its nonsense.
Bush and the republicans gave tax breaks to corporations to expand overseas. How does this help job creation?
You're pretty good at Propaganda yourself,Dude!laugh
Aug 6, 2011 3:15 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
mr1983: More of the same propaganda! The biggest creators of jobs in any economy are small and medium sized businesses. The same kind of businesses who are been choked of credit due to the banking and financial crises. So lets get away from this idea that the super wealthy create jobs. Its nonsense.
Bush and the republicans gave tax breaks to corporations to expand overseas. How does this help job creation?


I'm guessing you don't shop at Wal Mart!!rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 6, 2011 3:18 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
ttom500: GWB tried to get new government regulation for both Fannie Mea and Freddie Mac.....but was blocked by the DEM in Congress. REP Barney Frank a DEM oversees both agencies from his position as head of the House Finance committee. Barney Franks' lover works at Fannie Mea. Barney Franks said to the American people....Fannie Mea is solid and investment worthy just prior to the 2008 housing crash.


Lets not get caught up in minor details here! Yes Bush recognized that there was a problem with these organisations. But he was one of the architects of these problems. In Paulsens words Bush policy "over-incented housing".
Bush's "ownership society" will make sure that all Americans will be paying for these mistakes for a long time to come!!
Aug 6, 2011 3:20 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
Conrad73: You're pretty good at Propaganda yourself,Dude!


My propaganda is true though!! rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 6, 2011 3:21 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
mr1983: My propaganda is true though!!
yep,as true as the Keynes-Doctrine!rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 6, 2011 3:26 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
mr1983: Lets not get caught up in minor details here! Yes Bush recognized that there was a problem with these organisations. But he was one of the architects of these problems. In Paulsens words Bush policy "over-incented housing".
Bush's "ownership society" will make sure that all Americans will be paying for these mistakes for a long time to come!!


Gary or Eric Paulsen?confused

laugh
Aug 6, 2011 3:30 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
leigh2154: I'm guessing you don't shop at Wal Mart!!


I'm not saying that big corporations don't create jobs. All I'm saying is that small and medium businesses are the great job creators in an economy.
But we must remember that in an area of retail trade, companies such as "Wal-Mart" will not just create jobs when they enter a town, it will also affect local businesses and cause job losses.
I'm not against this competition. It is good for consumers and there will be a net increase in jobs. But the level is over-exaggerated and the income from the new jobs vs the ones lost wouldn't be huge.
Aug 6, 2011 3:30 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
leigh2154: Gary or Eric Paulsen?
Looks like you have yourself another Bluesey!rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 6, 2011 3:33 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
Conrad73: yep,as true as the Keynes-Doctrine!


The less we talk about economic doctrines the better. The free market doctrine has really not benefited s to well over the last number of years. And the supply side nonsense of Reagan just...I don't know!! I have nothing really left to say.confused confused
Aug 6, 2011 3:36 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
Conrad73: Looks like you have yourself another Bluesey!


By Gud, you a mind reader Con!....Was just thinking that...really, I was!!rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 6, 2011 3:36 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
leigh2154: Gary or Eric Paulsen?


I think Americans would have probably been better of with one of those. rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 6, 2011 3:38 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
mr1983: The less we talk about economic doctrines the better. The free market doctrine has really not benefited s to well over the last number of years. And the supply side nonsense of Reagan just...I don't know!! I have nothing really left to say.


First thing you've said all day that makes "perfect" sense...and is not propagandized !! rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 6, 2011 3:40 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
leigh2154: By Gud, you a mind reader Con!....Was just thinking that...really, I was!!
It kind of suggests itself in sort of an unobtrusive manner!rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 6, 2011 3:44 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
purr4mance: Republicans controlled the House and Senate in 2003 when the question of regulation or reform was raised regarding the GSE’s. Republican Tom Delay (a convicted felon today) represented Texas’s 22nd congressional district as the House Majority Leader. The
Republicans could have made changes to legislation had they decided reform of the GSE’s was necessary, but finance reform was not a priority of the White House or the Congressional Republicans in 2003. The fact is that 2 NEW programs were intiated under Bush’s watch by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in order to get a larger piece of the home financing pie. Fannie Mae’s program was called “Expanded Approval”. Freddie Mac’s was called A Minus.

“We must begin to close this homeownership gap by dismantling the barriers that prevent minorities from owning a piece of the American dream,” Bush said in a June 2002 radio address.

Building on Clinton’s goal seven years earlier, Bush set out to create 5.5 million new minority homeowners by signing The Single Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit Act. The act gave 2.4 billion in tax credits to investors and builders. In addition, he also signed the American Dream Downpayment Act that provided grants to help home buyers with downpayments and closing costs from 2004 through 2007.
actually we ere talking about the refusal for Dodd and Frank to comply when Bush tried to Audit,and possibly reign in the two Entities!
Aug 6, 2011 3:48 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
Conrad73: actually we ere talking about the refusal for Dodd and Frank to comply when Bush tried to Audit,and possibly reign in the two Entities!


"Possibly" been the important word here. He had a chance. He didn't. If Obama made the same mistake we would never hear the end of it.
Aug 6, 2011 3:51 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
Conrad73: actually we ere talking about the refusal for Dodd and Frank to comply when Bush tried to Audit,and possibly reign in the two Entities!


And what year was that?
Aug 6, 2011 4:07 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
Conrad73: It kind of suggests itself in sort of an unobtrusive manner!


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Aug 6, 2011 4:08 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
Oops that didn't come out too good!!
Aug 6, 2011 4:13 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
mr1983: Oops that didn't come out too good!!
yep,especially the Occupation of Haiti!
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You really don't know Jackpoop!rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 6, 2011 4:14 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
Conrad73: yep,especially the Occupation of Haiti!

You really don't know Jackpoop!
and even less about Obama-Care!rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 6, 2011 4:17 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
Conrad73: Looks like you have yourself another Bluesey!


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Ah thats better!!
Aug 6, 2011 4:20 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Conrad73: and even less about Obama-Care!



I doubt if Obama knows anything about Obamacare.laugh
Aug 6, 2011 4:23 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
Conrad73: yep,especially the Occupation of Haiti!

You really don't know Jackpoop!


"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

Well maybe we can or can we??confused
Aug 6, 2011 4:25 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
Ccincy: I doubt if Obama knows anything about Obamacare.
Thought he wrote it!rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 6, 2011 4:26 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
mr1983: Are we getting irate??
naw,just surprised at your lack of comprehension!rolling on the floor laughing cool
Aug 6, 2011 4:31 PM CST GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al
Conrad73: naw,just surprised at your lack of comprehension!


My lack of comprehension??? Is that a double-edged sword you have? Be careful!!rolling on the floor laughing

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