GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al (805)
Ccincy: Hi outdoor after I saw what it was really about I just turned the channel.Just shows alot waste of good time.I'm sure people were hoping to hear something postive but it turned out to be a farce.Sad really.
Yeah... have heard the same form several places in America since last night... I am sure a deal will be made because making America going Default will not be great commercial for GOP in ellections 2012 and Default will mean millions of new jobs lost and horrible economical comsequences for America in the first mounths at least... but what kind of deal is going to be made is the question. I sure hope weak and less fortuned America is not going to loose furter more becasue of these games
Hot_Single_Dude: Yeah... have heard the same form several places in America since last night... I am sure a deal will be made because making America going Default will not be great commercial for GOP in ellections 2012 and Default will mean millions of new jobs lost and horrible economical comsequences for America in the first mounths at least... but what kind of deal is going to be made is the question. I sure hope weak and less fortuned America is not going to loose furter more becasue of these games
A Veto by Obama on the Legislation he has to sign would be even worse!2012-ZILCH!
Hot_Single_Dude: Yeah... have heard the same form several places in America since last night... I am sure a deal will be made because making America going Default will not be great commercial for GOP in ellections 2012 and Default will mean millions of new jobs lost and horrible economical comsequences for America in the first mounths at least... but what kind of deal is going to be made is the question. I sure hope weak and less fortuned America is not going to loose furter more becasue of these games
Got to leave ! May the Force be with you all!
Hot_Single_Dude: Yeah... have heard the same form several places in America since last night... I am sure a deal will be made because making America going Default will not be great commercial for GOP in ellections 2012 and Default will mean millions of new jobs lost and horrible economical comsequences for America in the first mounths at least... but what kind of deal is going to be made is the question. I sure hope weak and less fortuned America is not going to loose furter more becasue of these games
The sad thing is that no matter the outcome we still lose in the very end anyway.We usually do.It seems that no one wishes to own up for the mess we're in and admit they messed up.
WE can sit here in these political threads and bash one another until we're blue in the face about how it's the fault of past leaders etc but that doesn't cure the problems now at hand now does it?
AS I see it now it's everybodys fault including us voters.
Hot_Single_Dude: Got to leave ! May the Force be with you all!
Later HSD.
jvaski: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pgV_LjmkE
Here's the REAL problem .......
(Translation ) - "We don't believe Obama really won the election, and we're still in charge"
Here's the REAL problem .......
(Translation ) - "We don't believe Obama really won the election, and we're still in charge"
He won, he is just not in charge, Juan. Soros, Imanell, European liberals, are in charge.
mr1983: I wouldn't say he is bashing America. I think he is against certain republican policies while he is an advocate of the democrats policies.
Holy Mackerel!Conrad73: Holy Mackerel!
A strong America is beneficial to all!! But a fairer America will result in a stronger America!!
mr1983: A strong America is beneficial to all!! But a fairer America will result in a stronger America!!
Mind if I call you Dude #2?
mr1983: I wouldn't say he is bashing America. I think he is against certain republican policies while he is an advocate of the democrats policies.
What democracy polices does Dude advocate? I know I am going to be sorry for asking the question.
You ask if he knows about Obamacare. He does not. You ask him if knows about TARP I and II stimulus packages. He does not. You ask him if knows about the Iraq and Afghan wars. He spills GWB at you and 1 million deathes in Iraq.
So what democracy policies is Dude advocating? Or he is just a European ideolog that knows little of the American system, culture and politics?
Conrad73: Mind if I call you Dude #2?
I would prefer something of the nature "the second coming of Dude" but Dude# will suffice!
ttom500: What democracy polices does Dude advocate? I know I am going to be sorry for asking the question.
You ask if he knows about Obamacare. He does not. You ask him if knows about TARP I and II stimulus packages. He does not. You ask him if knows about the Iraq and Afghan wars. He spills GWB at you and 1 million deathes in Iraq.
So what democracy policies is Dude advocating? Or he is just a European ideolog that knows little of the American system, culture and politics?
You ask if he knows about Obamacare. He does not. You ask him if knows about TARP I and II stimulus packages. He does not. You ask him if knows about the Iraq and Afghan wars. He spills GWB at you and 1 million deathes in Iraq.
So what democracy policies is Dude advocating? Or he is just a European ideolog that knows little of the American system, culture and politics?
I think Americans are worried that some socialist policies mean loss of democracy but that is not so!
Hot_Single_Dude: Of course it is political and as u know I do not beleive all politicians are the exact same even we disagree on this like for ever... not mentioning former presidents making the whole thing going wrong because RECESSION was the result of the wrong policies of the former american president and this same horrible disaster upon America called Recession have made the job of president Obama rather complicated and not easy to mannage what so ever
Just out of curiousity. What happens in a Cain, Romney, or Bauchmann wins in 2012?
Does the car that Obama push to the edge of the cliff with his spending go sliding down? Does China ask for her billions back? Does bin Laden return to life in the form of a ghost?
Think ahead Dude. All Obama has done is divide the country. We want and deserve a leader than can unite the country. A Obama led country in from 2012-2016 is only going to weaker and more divisive country.
You (Europe) is going to need a stronger and more united America in the future. You got problems boiling now that have not even surfaced yet. Obama's America has not been there for Europe for the last 3 years. He half way goes into Libya for you. He takes the Noble Peace prize with a smile and admits he does not deserve it. He attended your Coopenhaggem enviromental conference trying to be the hero of the day.
Name three positive things Obama has done for Europe?
mr1983: I think Americans are worried that some socialist policies mean loss of democracy but that is not so!
OMG!Die Diktatur Des Proletariats!How much Poison can a Body take until it get sick?
Hot_Single_Dude: Jack...
Ammend the coinstitution?
So u beleive who ever is not agree with you or what ever media is not against all decisions of president Obama is not trust worthy media?
You say both parties have been taxing America too much right? Explain the very foundation of ur kind of economy then... how a whole country can be runned if taxing even less ?
You guys pay not much in taxes any way and gosh... America needs cash and cash is what makes the world going on and the whole society u too are a part of need loads of cash in order to stand to gether and not faling a part and not taken over by criminals and all that... This idea of no tax Mad Max kind of America where every body got a machine gun in back yard and taking care of it,s own is pretty silly and is not working any way you see?
America is a country... a whole country and needs army, military, health care plans, education, infrstructur, sevice, laws, rules, regulations, policies, diplomatic relations to other countries and business with other countries, development, research and u name it!
Tax Tax Tax is all u guys talk a bout and Taxation is needed any way to pay the bills of the country ! What does being American means any way if not willing to pay more back to the country? Just have guns and shoot the heck of any body passing by too close of ur property and thats it? Not gonna buy a health care coverage and dang calling a damn Ambulance when ill and those dang commies got to pay my hospitalisation bills? What is this thing any way man? Wild wild west is history u see?
I really treuly hope some of those careless rich americans who are fihgting against this president just because of being greedy and carelss and indifferent a bout their own country are forced to pay more back to the same country which have made them rich some day soon and all this mumbo jumbo fear machine of GOP and their endless numbers of lies and decpetion stops fooling more americans once and for all!
Ammend the coinstitution?
So u beleive who ever is not agree with you or what ever media is not against all decisions of president Obama is not trust worthy media?
You say both parties have been taxing America too much right? Explain the very foundation of ur kind of economy then... how a whole country can be runned if taxing even less ?
You guys pay not much in taxes any way and gosh... America needs cash and cash is what makes the world going on and the whole society u too are a part of need loads of cash in order to stand to gether and not faling a part and not taken over by criminals and all that... This idea of no tax Mad Max kind of America where every body got a machine gun in back yard and taking care of it,s own is pretty silly and is not working any way you see?
America is a country... a whole country and needs army, military, health care plans, education, infrstructur, sevice, laws, rules, regulations, policies, diplomatic relations to other countries and business with other countries, development, research and u name it!
Tax Tax Tax is all u guys talk a bout and Taxation is needed any way to pay the bills of the country ! What does being American means any way if not willing to pay more back to the country? Just have guns and shoot the heck of any body passing by too close of ur property and thats it? Not gonna buy a health care coverage and dang calling a damn Ambulance when ill and those dang commies got to pay my hospitalisation bills? What is this thing any way man? Wild wild west is history u see?
I really treuly hope some of those careless rich americans who are fihgting against this president just because of being greedy and carelss and indifferent a bout their own country are forced to pay more back to the same country which have made them rich some day soon and all this mumbo jumbo fear machine of GOP and their endless numbers of lies and decpetion stops fooling more americans once and for all!
since obummer is booked every 3rd day for a campaign/fundraiser, why not take that cash; expected to be 1 billion dollars and give it to the needy instead of democrat cronies.
mr1983: I think Americans are worried that some socialist policies mean loss of democracy but that is not so!
Any time you TAKE money from one person and GIVE it to another, you are diminishing the 1st person's rights/freedoms.
YES!
no, i believed in a balanced budget! whats so hard to understand? i also believe the president will run this ship aground and walk away blaming the republicans. what good ideas has the dems come up with? tell me that!
yes i do. the foundation at current? we print money! thats IT! only one problem. we have to have north korea's bossom buddies china pay in so we can print MORE! little secret? THEYRE SELLING! another kicker? you will feel it if we fall. even in denmark. denmark has to have our thin air money in order to gain fuels. when that changes, it will be a little late to opt out for another currency. oursll be seen for the worthless paper it is.
know what? after some thought i realized its pointless to argue facts against the fear and hate tactics. so ill change the ground and try the same thing.
its cause you want us to fail. you dems are against the citizens of this country. all you want is your votes from the unemployed. only problem is that even the unemployed realize that theres a reason they dont have jobs. YOU!
you dont understand! you want us to fail!
how could you be so heartless?
banana banana! we are innocent! cheeseburger frenchfries!
all you want to do is tax tax tax. DUCK! when the people of OUR country are begging in the streets at the doors of the gov't run food houses, who are you going to tax? will you be happy?
as to business with other countries? try to please those that fundamentally wish us dead? crap on our allies heads while they sink or melt or are threatened by the same muslims we blame 9/11 on?
wow... i just saw the perfect point in your own post.
"What does being American means any way if not willing to pay MORE back to the country?" MORE? MORE?! i pay when i make it, i pay when i spend it, i pay when i keep it, i pay the fed to lend at intrest... wait! no i dont. noone does. thats why we are here.
put your personal inneptitude aside and look at how our system works. its aparent you need to be schooled. bet yours works on the same system, though its not hard to put that past someone whos too damn worried about other places.
guns and shooting? constitution GIVES US THE RIGHT AS IT STANDS and thats without changing it. I took an Oath to defend the constitution. will i go out and shoot everyone? what a very democrat question of you. answer is no. however, ive been in the position to defend my life. have you? no? then dont even bother claiming to know me.
ive used the free hospital care. in a year ive been taxed enough to cover it, and i dont make very much at all by compairison, but we rich struggling americans dont want to pay anything in. you know why i used the system? i needed to have surgery... TO SERVE MY COUNTRY!
I REALLY HOPE THE CARELESS SPENDING IS CUT WITH A PREDJUDICE!
fear machine of the gop? whos been spouting fear campaigns? ill start a POLL and find out! you should check it out when you get the chance so we can find out! lol and then we can both have to trust the opinions of people who arent here for our information.
the biggest problem with you and those like you is that you dont realize that the federal government is riding on the backs of the state government and the american people. the state government begs from the federal government and rides the backs of the citizens of its borders. the american people are footing the bill.
As a personal favor, why don't you research the liberal media you read? see past the spins. why dont you just take a look at the debt clock before you even bother to post anything at all involving MY country. take a look at the conservative history and even the standpoint of OUR forefathers before you claim to know who stands against the country. then again... dont. dont bother. sheep.
no, i believed in a balanced budget! whats so hard to understand? i also believe the president will run this ship aground and walk away blaming the republicans. what good ideas has the dems come up with? tell me that!
yes i do. the foundation at current? we print money! thats IT! only one problem. we have to have north korea's bossom buddies china pay in so we can print MORE! little secret? THEYRE SELLING! another kicker? you will feel it if we fall. even in denmark. denmark has to have our thin air money in order to gain fuels. when that changes, it will be a little late to opt out for another currency. oursll be seen for the worthless paper it is.
know what? after some thought i realized its pointless to argue facts against the fear and hate tactics. so ill change the ground and try the same thing.
its cause you want us to fail. you dems are against the citizens of this country. all you want is your votes from the unemployed. only problem is that even the unemployed realize that theres a reason they dont have jobs. YOU!
you dont understand! you want us to fail!
how could you be so heartless?
banana banana! we are innocent! cheeseburger frenchfries!
all you want to do is tax tax tax. DUCK! when the people of OUR country are begging in the streets at the doors of the gov't run food houses, who are you going to tax? will you be happy?
as to business with other countries? try to please those that fundamentally wish us dead? crap on our allies heads while they sink or melt or are threatened by the same muslims we blame 9/11 on?
wow... i just saw the perfect point in your own post.
"What does being American means any way if not willing to pay MORE back to the country?" MORE? MORE?! i pay when i make it, i pay when i spend it, i pay when i keep it, i pay the fed to lend at intrest... wait! no i dont. noone does. thats why we are here.
put your personal inneptitude aside and look at how our system works. its aparent you need to be schooled. bet yours works on the same system, though its not hard to put that past someone whos too damn worried about other places.
guns and shooting? constitution GIVES US THE RIGHT AS IT STANDS and thats without changing it. I took an Oath to defend the constitution. will i go out and shoot everyone? what a very democrat question of you. answer is no. however, ive been in the position to defend my life. have you? no? then dont even bother claiming to know me.
ive used the free hospital care. in a year ive been taxed enough to cover it, and i dont make very much at all by compairison, but we rich struggling americans dont want to pay anything in. you know why i used the system? i needed to have surgery... TO SERVE MY COUNTRY!
I REALLY HOPE THE CARELESS SPENDING IS CUT WITH A PREDJUDICE!
fear machine of the gop? whos been spouting fear campaigns? ill start a POLL and find out! you should check it out when you get the chance so we can find out! lol and then we can both have to trust the opinions of people who arent here for our information.
the biggest problem with you and those like you is that you dont realize that the federal government is riding on the backs of the state government and the american people. the state government begs from the federal government and rides the backs of the citizens of its borders. the american people are footing the bill.
As a personal favor, why don't you research the liberal media you read? see past the spins. why dont you just take a look at the debt clock before you even bother to post anything at all involving MY country. take a look at the conservative history and even the standpoint of OUR forefathers before you claim to know who stands against the country. then again... dont. dont bother. sheep.
OH dear, if you say that they will think youre a conspiracy theorist and a terrorist and oh my dear god... some will even say youre ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! but hey... :: sighs and shakes his head :: that wont please our dude.
regardless, thanks for catching that one, Conrad.
regardless, thanks for catching that one, Conrad.
mr1983: I would prefer something of the nature "the second coming of Dude" but Dude# will suffice!
lol hes got the ego of dude. same ideas. dude must be grooming his prodigy.
JackOfTrades: lol hes got the ego of dude. same ideas. dude must be grooming his prodigy.
Didn't Obummer chastize corporate jet owners and hedge fund managers last night?
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George Soros, the billionaire hedge fund manager best known for defeating the Bank of England on “Black Wednesday” in 1992, is to close his Quantum fund to outside investors and hand back the remaining outside capital. Blaming the requirement under new financial regulations to register next year with the Securities and Exchange Commission, the fund will continue to manage around $24.5bn of family money.
“An unfortunate consequence of these new circumstances is that we will no longer be able to manage assets for anyone other than a family client as defined under the regulations”, Jonathan and Robert Soros, his sons who are co-deputy chairmen of the fund, wrote in a letter to investors on Tuesday.
The fund is returning around $750m of capital to outside investors, according to a person familiar with the situation, and Keith Anderson, chief investment officer since 2008, is leaving to seek other opportunities.
The move brings an end to an almost four-decade career as a hedge fund manager for Mr Soros, an Hungarian emigré who made more than $1bn in 1992 as he and fellow speculators forced the UK to devalue sterling and pull out of the European exchange rate mechanism.
Mr Soros started Quantum in 1973, where he developed a reputation for trading on instinct shaped by his own investment philosophy, dubbed the “theory of reflexivity” and published in his 1994 book, The Alchemy of Finance.
In 2000, however, suffering losses from the bursting of the technology bubble and following the departure of chief investment officer Stanley Druckenmiller, Mr Soros returned most of the outside capital in the fund, around 40 per cent of the $11bn then under management, in order to concentrate on his philanthropic work with the Soros Foundation.
The remaining capital was largely farmed out to other hedge fund managers, before Mr Soros returned to active management in 2007 during the early stages of the financial crisis.
The decision to return outside capital follows similar moves by Mr Druckenmiller year, and Carl Icahn in March who put the decison down to both regulation and an unwillingness to manage money through another downturn.
New regulations will require any hedge fund with more than $150m under management to report details about investments, employees and investors, and makes them subject to possible inspections by the SEC.
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George Soros, the billionaire hedge fund manager best known for defeating the Bank of England on “Black Wednesday” in 1992, is to close his Quantum fund to outside investors and hand back the remaining outside capital. Blaming the requirement under new financial regulations to register next year with the Securities and Exchange Commission, the fund will continue to manage around $24.5bn of family money.
“An unfortunate consequence of these new circumstances is that we will no longer be able to manage assets for anyone other than a family client as defined under the regulations”, Jonathan and Robert Soros, his sons who are co-deputy chairmen of the fund, wrote in a letter to investors on Tuesday.
The fund is returning around $750m of capital to outside investors, according to a person familiar with the situation, and Keith Anderson, chief investment officer since 2008, is leaving to seek other opportunities.
The move brings an end to an almost four-decade career as a hedge fund manager for Mr Soros, an Hungarian emigré who made more than $1bn in 1992 as he and fellow speculators forced the UK to devalue sterling and pull out of the European exchange rate mechanism.
Mr Soros started Quantum in 1973, where he developed a reputation for trading on instinct shaped by his own investment philosophy, dubbed the “theory of reflexivity” and published in his 1994 book, The Alchemy of Finance.
In 2000, however, suffering losses from the bursting of the technology bubble and following the departure of chief investment officer Stanley Druckenmiller, Mr Soros returned most of the outside capital in the fund, around 40 per cent of the $11bn then under management, in order to concentrate on his philanthropic work with the Soros Foundation.
The remaining capital was largely farmed out to other hedge fund managers, before Mr Soros returned to active management in 2007 during the early stages of the financial crisis.
The decision to return outside capital follows similar moves by Mr Druckenmiller year, and Carl Icahn in March who put the decison down to both regulation and an unwillingness to manage money through another downturn.
New regulations will require any hedge fund with more than $150m under management to report details about investments, employees and investors, and makes them subject to possible inspections by the SEC.
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JackOfTrades: lol hes got the ego of dude. same ideas. dude must be grooming his prodigy.
I wouldn't say I have the exact same ideas. I see the strengths and weaknesses in all the policies and look to find compromises.
I believe in "small" government. I believe in a private education system with certain regulation. But I believe that free market systems have weaknesses also!
jvaski: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pgV_LjmkE
Here's the REAL problem .......
(Translation ) - "We don't believe Obama really won the election, and we're still in charge"
with a little help of his Oakley and Dead Friends singing ;"South Of The Border..........."!Here's the REAL problem .......
(Translation ) - "We don't believe Obama really won the election, and we're still in charge"
mr1983: I wouldn't say I have the exact same ideas. I see the strengths and weaknesses in all the policies and look to find compromises.
I believe in "small" government. I believe in a private education system with certain regulation. But I believe that free market systems have weaknesses also!
Yep,the Weakness is the Government-Interference!I believe in "small" government. I believe in a private education system with certain regulation. But I believe that free market systems have weaknesses also!
Or the "Regulations",as you so nicely put it!
How the Heck do you expect some Bureaucrat who has no knowledge of an Industrial Enterprise to regulate it?
And having the "Help" of some equally Inept "Experts" to help him!
Conrad73: Yep,the Weakness is the Government-Interference!
Or the "Regulations",as you so nicely put it!
How the Heck do you expect some Bureaucrat who has no knowledge of an Industrial Enterprise to regulate it?
And having the "Help" of some equally Inept "Experts" to help him!
Or the "Regulations",as you so nicely put it!
How the Heck do you expect some Bureaucrat who has no knowledge of an Industrial Enterprise to regulate it?
And having the "Help" of some equally Inept "Experts" to help him!
When we got rid of these regulations regarding banking we seen where the free market led us, didn't we!!
mr1983: When we got rid of these regulations regarding banking we seen where the free market led us, didn't we!!
But there were still Regulations in place!mr1983: When we got rid of these regulations regarding banking we seen where the free market led us, didn't we!!
World has never seen a Free Market yet!mr1983: When we got rid of these regulations regarding banking we seen where the free market led us, didn't we!!
Free Market,hmm?More likely Regulations to the Detriment of some,for the Benefit of the Politician's Cronies!
Typical Mixed Economy!
Legalized Civil War!
What an evil concept: the thought of a balanced budget.
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Last Friday I sent emails to my senators and congressmen representing my state, Oklahoma. Unfortunately do to low population, hardly has a say in anything, but I did it anyway! BAsically telling all of them, they will not have a job, next election and I would do everything in my power to be sure of that.
Bad state of affairs.
Hi outdoor after I saw what it was really about I just turned the channel.Just shows alot waste of good time.I'm sure people were hoping to hear something postive but it turned out to be a farce.Sad really.