ttom500: Sure it is. The gold is use as a collatrol for your debt ceiling increase. OK? Instead of the "good standing of the American government and people". You gold backed securities. Your creditors will lend on a 4 or 5 to 1 dollar ratio of loan to gold. Maybe even more with raising gold prices.
That with budget cuts.....gets yourself into a position for keeping your AAA rating.
A ton of gold is 64,000 troy ou. A troy ou is $1625 on the market today. 1 ton of gold is $8m. 10,000 t of gold is $800b. With such a loan to collator ratio, you can raise the debt ceiling by 3.2t to 4.0t.
We all agree that a debt ceiling increase is needed. The question is does the Counties tax base act as the collatrol or something else? You issues a new kind of bond and T-bill that is backed by gold and silver, and ask for that 4 or 5 to 1 ratio as the premium payment.
Compare that to this. If we are degraded to AA....it likely means a .5 interest hike across the board. What does that mean? $400b in additional interest payment (consumer, business, and government) over the next decade.
A old banker trick. If you have a asset that is not producing revenues, use it as collatrol for your liquity. The 10000 ton of gold reserve is just sitting there and doing? Nada. Put it to use. By the way, I am not sure what the gold and silver reserve in the country is. 10000 ton could be light.
Another Nasty attempt of the dang GOP in order to bash on Obama later on for selling american precious metal savings mmmmmmmmm... your guys never giving up making a damn Mess do they...
Conrad73: would be almost funny to watch them Idiots posture,if it weren't that serious!
I know Conrad. Here the REP of House place a piece of legislations that is more serious to the overall well being and future of the country on the table than Obama care.
Harry Reid and company dismiss it in 24 hours. The DEMs have become a part of crisis.....they want it here in the country and around the world. Crisis in the market place. Crisis in the oil markets. Crisis is financial markets. Crisis in government. Crisis on the streets.
They are the elected government. We respect that. They only have so much longer in office. Till then the Tea Party and REP are just fine. They have brought up a number of new younger leaders that are vibrant and exciting.
When they dismiss the voice of the people....actually the voice of the majority of the people as they did in the rejection of this House bill. It make the 2012 election easier and placed the DEM senators clearly against the will of the people. Some 23 are up for relection in 2012. Only 3 are needed to be defeated for a TEA Party/REP majority in the Senate.
And only 1 Executive officer defeat is need for a complete control of the government in 2012. The DEMs hold control of this government by a mere 4 offices.
ttom500: Dude, I have seen some strange poll results here at CS. But nothing like this. The DEMs answer has 3% of the tally. The REP answer has 97%.
Do you really think that it is more Conservative are on the net seeking a significant others? Or the number backing Tea Party and REP has grown since the 2010 mid terms? This issue is being owned by the REP presently?
As told before.... there are many more desperate love seekers amoung right winged generally because it is so difficult living with one due to the amount of carelessness and narcisim and selfishness
Hot_Single_Dude: Another Nasty attempt of the dang GOP in order to bash on Obama later on for selling american precious metal savings mmmmmmmmm... your guys never giving up making a damn Mess do they...
Gold and silver have always been used to support financial instruments. The silver dollar and the Gold backed dollar remember? See the gold and silver bullion cannot be dished out into a individual saving account.
But they can be used to support financial instruments like Treasury note and Government Bonds.
Surely that is what REP Barney Frank meant ....when he said "we need to change from using Real Estate as a valuation standard." Surely he meant we would return to the Gold and Silver standard in some form, yes? What else of historical value could the country offer to the world to colleratlize 14.3t worth of debt?
Just because some lowly and poorly educated TEA Party member figured it out, Dude should not embarress the rich and powerful DEMs in Washington. Remember that plummer fixing the BP oil leak. And Joe the plummer.
Just because soon from Cain to Bachmann to Grinrich to Palin a cry to use our gold and silver bullion as backing to new premium precious metal based Treasury Bills and US Government Bond to resolve the debt crisis and regain market confidence in the government of the United States will be heard....well you should be happy that country is starting to turn around.
From that we can peg our debt ceiling increase(s). Keep China from buying Treasure note (er will place human right standards into the sale of these Premium note and bonds).
Have any problems with capitolism winning another round, Dude?
GACryptic: Please learn how to spell properly! You want to ride the backs of Americans but you can't even spell properly. Out of 22 words -- short words at that -- you have three misspelled words.
Ccincy: House approves debt bill;Senate rejects it.Mkes no sense.It looks like they're trying to stretching it out till the deadline. There's only 4 days til Aug 2.
ttom500: Gold and silver have always been used to support financial instruments. The silver dollar and the Gold backed dollar remember? See the gold and silver bullion cannot be dished out into a individual saving account.
But they can be used to support financial instruments like Treasury note and Government Bonds.
Surely that is what REP Barney Frank meant ....when he said "we need to change from using Real Estate as a valuation standard." Surely he meant we would return to the Gold and Silver standard in some form, yes? What else of historical value could the country offer to the world to colleratlize 14.3t worth of debt?
Just because some lowly and poorly educated TEA Party member figured it out, Dude should not embarress the rich and powerful DEMs in Washington. Remember that plummer fixing the BP oil leak. And Joe the plummer.
Just because soon from Cain to Bachmann to Grinrich to Palin a cry to use our gold and silver bullion as backing to new premium precious metal based Treasury Bills and US Government Bond to resolve the debt crisis and regain market confidence in the government of the United States will be heard....well you should be happy that country is starting to turn around.
From that we can peg our debt ceiling increase(s). Keep China from buying Treasure note (er will place human right standards into the sale of these Premium note and bonds).
Have any problems with capitolism winning another round, Dude?
Not a single thing suggested by ur guys is good for America what so ever TT...
Hot_Single_Dude: Not a single thing suggested by ur guys is good for America what so ever TT...
I know it is always a plot to bring down Obama. A clue for you. We did not have to. He did it to himself.:-)
None todate has thought of using our Gold and Silver bullion to solve the financial crisis and debt issues. At least publicly, that I know of. Are you afraid of new ideas? Mr. Progressive?
In reality Dude....most liberals are very reactionary and status quo.
Watch. Your position on the Balance Budget Admendment in the Boehener bill is? Very negative because you think that it is there to limit Obama's spending. It is a REP scheme to control the President.
Poll out show that 75% of American wants the government to operate a balanced budget. The admendment was placed into the bill for the American people. To safe guard them from excessive spending in the future.
Here is a great idea...a progressive idea even....because few Constitutions in the world have such a clause. And you and Obama cannot embrace it. See Status quo and reactionary.
Strip off your posters of Che and Mao from the wall of your bedroom. Liberate yourself from the dogma of liberalism. You will feel better in the end.
To further demonstrate that liberals are status qou and reactionary. Take Harry Reid today. Harry is caught between a rock and hard place.
Earlier he said...'his bill is the only one that can get bi partisan support to get to the President for signature.' So little does he know that Obama and McConnell are having behind the scene meetings/phone calls and are iron on difference on the House bill. Nor does Harry know that the REP in the House placed his bill to a vote and it was a 264-173 defeat.
McConnell is saying "he is engaged with the one person that can sign the bill into law and that they are coming closer to a resolution. And he very optimistic that they will come to agreement to resolve the crisis for the American people very soon. "
So eventually the media catches up with Harry to ask him about both of these. What does Harry say? "That is not true." After retuning from a meeting with Pelosi and Obama in the White House. The White House does what this White House should have been doing for a long time....and made no comment to the matter.
That is reactionary and status quo on Harry Reids part.
lastly Dude, you know who supports the Reid Senate plan? All the big banker like Sach Goldman, BofA, Citicorp.....the same major banks that were on Obama Stimulus package.
They have lobbying to get a bill done ASAP. Sure it could be because of the instabilties in the marketplace and wall street. That I agree. But also it could be that Obama's Stimulus plan gave them a lot of money and now is collection day. You have to agree.
Hot_Single_Dude: Maybe FOX is finally on terror list then and not allowed to even mention important and important for security stuff as precious metals no more then?
Murdoch on Gitmo or some thing? Will they send red top there with him too?
Hot_Single_Dude: Typichally ultra right wingers Raphael... no worries thats the way they are there or any freaking where as a matte rof fact. If they cna not be as god as u are or have no capacity of EVER becoming as good as u are... they make fun of you, name calling you, making rumors a bout you... or even freaking shoot you! You know that is the main reason why most fenatic gun clingers in America are ultra right winger "not knowing a damn thing right what so ever" types!
Hot_Single_Dude: Yeah TT... THAT Geroge W Bush of urs and his fellows made THe most horrible shi* ever done to America and we are all still suffering economically and will suffer for some more years at least! Next time please... do not send a dang GOP on charge because your guys can not find out of any thing what so ever and are not able to handle complicated issues regarding running a huge supper power as America. Failing government? Yeah TT Right!
ttom500: I know it is always a plot to bring down Obama. A clue for you. We did not have to. He did it to himself.:-)
None todate has thought of using our Gold and Silver bullion to solve the financial crisis and debt issues. At least publicly, that I know of. Are you afraid of new ideas? Mr. Progressive?
In reality Dude....most liberals are very reactionary and status quo.
Watch. Your position on the Balance Budget Admendment in the Boehener bill is? Very negative because you think that it is there to limit Obama's spending. It is a REP scheme to control the President.
Poll out show that 75% of American wants the government to operate a balanced budget. The admendment was placed into the bill for the American people. To safe guard them from excessive spending in the future.
Here is a great idea...a progressive idea even....because few Constitutions in the world have such a clause. And you and Obama cannot embrace it. See Status quo and reactionary.
Strip off your posters of Che and Mao from the wall of your bedroom. Liberate yourself from the dogma of liberalism. You will feel better in the end.
you're asking Dude to commit philosophical Suicide,no less!
Hot_Single_Dude: Another Nasty attempt of the dang GOP in order to bash on Obama later on for selling american precious metal savings mmmmmmmmm... your guys never giving up making a damn Mess do they...
actually it is stinking Soros who is making a killing!
What I really like here was the response of Nancy Pelos to the REP bill....."We have to save the country and the world from the horrible budget cutting of the REP"...........what a joke Nancy. Obama, Reid and you, have taken the world's strongest economy driven it to the edge of bankruptcy and with a pending default only days away......that will cost Americans billions in higher interest rates.
So you can be the drama queen of the moment in a attack on the REP budget plan!
Talk about reactionary politics! Nancy Reacts overreacts just by smiling. Most politician might lie by smiling. But Nancy is well past that.
Conrad, little Nancy Pelosi at this time please?
But the real question is.....is this one crisis to far for America? Like WWII's a bridge to far. Were a English Para unit was sent on mission just to deep into German held Holland and lost. Has President Obama been to ruin the world's strong economy in 3 short years?
There I can happily tell you no. The mainstreet economics are still functioning here. Bread is on the shelves of stores. Gas comes from the out of the pump at a filing station. The local bus line still operates. Electricity still flows thru the wires to business and homes.
But on the international scene and in the high finance realm of the world, President Obama lack of budget/debt leadership has to be noted. Obviously something in the White House failed to get a handle on the impact of a long term fiscal crisis that was not contained or stopped.
This coming devaluation is real damage to the creditability and credit worthiness of the country. Assuming it happens. There is not much to keep it from happening. Moodys is saying it will not devalue the bond rating, that nearly solely on the REP house plan that made. But S & P and the other bond raters are non committal at this time.
Has the President Obama made a crisis to far? Not for mainstreet America. But for banking and diplomatic America maybe yes. American diplomatic that say to a poverty stuck country....that aid check is in the mail....are going to met..."OH sure it is"...if we default. American business and banks doing business abroad are all going to have new banking regulation place on them when a check, letter of credit or wire transfer is made.
This is all because of the spending and lack of fiscal control within the present administration. If it cannot work within it means on a balanced budget, why ask Americans to tighten the belt and work within their limited means?
Was not this going to be 'shared pain' that all the country felt? Or was it a pain enplaced on some of the country by the Administration? Pesdient Obama's fiscal crisis for the country has not effected mainstreet America yet. But if that default rating come, the next time you by a new car and the dealer qoutes you interest rate from .5 to 2.0 higher than in the past. Thank President Obama for it.
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