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Oct 7, 2014 4:46 PM CSTDeath Penalty? Yes or No?
Tapajos
TapajosTapajosBig City, Hessen, Germany1 Threads 1 Polls 23 Posts

Death Penalty? Yes or No?(Vote Below)

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How often we heard about the cheap reason that death penalty would cause active deterrence, or it would lower the rate of criminality? There is not one single evidence or proof for such thesis! The proof is completely the contrary. Execution or summary execution are lowering the humanly respect for Life and making society more prone to violence.

The death can't be a punishment. Death is final. To put someone to jail forever until he dies is a punishment. Any person who killed someone for tawdry motives has finally lost (in my opinion) his rights to return to be a member of the society. But the government does not have the right to kill this person. Let them die in jail without a chance to be rehabilitated.

Albert Pierrepoint, the last hangman in the UK with over 450 executions turned from proponent to opponent about executions and death penalty. He said in his memories I have finally come to the conclusion that executions are meaningless. They are merely an archaic relict of some primitive demands for vengeance, making it plain and simple for itself and converting the responsibility for revenge to someone else.

Question: Does a nation or state having the right to kill?
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Oct 8, 2014 11:18 PM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
CapNemo
CapNemoCapNemoLongview, Texas USA6 Threads 599 Posts
I agree with and believe in the death penalty.
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Oct 8, 2014 11:38 PM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
BlueCoupe
BlueCoupeBlueCoupeWenatchee, Washington USA7 Posts
Republicans love the death penalty. Look up just how many were put to death in Texas under George Bushs' watch. It is a lack of respect for life, and justice.
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Oct 8, 2014 11:38 PM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
BlueCoupe
BlueCoupeBlueCoupeWenatchee, Washington USA7 Posts
Republicans love the death penalty. Look up just how many were put to death in Texas under George Bushs' watch. It is a lack of respect for life, and justice.
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Oct 8, 2014 11:57 PM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
psygnar
psygnarpsygnarJleeb Al Shuyoukh, Al Farwaniyah Kuwait2 Threads 1 Polls 988 Posts
talk to the people in saudi arabia about punishments grin
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Oct 9, 2014 3:06 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
BlueCoupe: Republicans love the death penalty. Look up just how many were put to death in Texas under George Bushs' watch. It is a lack of respect for life, and justice.


......and what Bush had to do with that,since it is something a State institutes?
You all get too used thinking that all a POTUS ought to do is sign another EO!
Present example of governing by means of Executive Orders,which are worth less than the paper they are written on!
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Oct 9, 2014 3:07 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
BlueCoupe: Republicans love the death penalty. Look up just how many were put to death in Texas under George Bushs' watch. It is a lack of respect for life, and justice.

actually an Issue for SCOTUS to decide!
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Oct 9, 2014 4:26 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain8 Threads 6,354 Posts
No, but realistic prison sentences and the full term to be served.
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Oct 9, 2014 4:49 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
Benny1518
Benny1518Benny1518Port jervis, New York USA33 Threads 561 Posts
No. The chance of executing an innocent person is real. However, life imprisonment for murder.
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Oct 9, 2014 5:01 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
The 'right' to kill is wrong.
People who murder have no conscience.

No one has a right to kill.
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Oct 9, 2014 8:45 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
Tapajos
TapajosTapajosBig City, Hessen Germany1 Threads 1 Polls 23 Posts
Thanks to everyone so far for your comments. It seems the majority is agreeing to "No". thumbs up
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Oct 9, 2014 9:31 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
It all would depend on how long the taxpayers wish to continue to support the one who actually did without a doubt said crime(s).
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Oct 9, 2014 10:15 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
rebel2: No, but realistic prison sentences and the full term to be served.
rather be hung,etc.u still get penalty,killing police officer,etc.authority figure,also/judges.prison guards never on my job list.
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Oct 9, 2014 10:17 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
BlueCoupe: Republicans love the death penalty. Look up just how many were put to death in Texas under George Bushs' watch. It is a lack of respect for life, and justice.


That's why he invaded Iraq/kill kill kill
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Oct 9, 2014 3:11 PM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
Tapajos
TapajosTapajosBig City, Hessen Germany1 Threads 1 Polls 23 Posts
Thats not very nice... grin
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Oct 9, 2014 4:19 PM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
Maranat
MaranatMaranatLaguna Niguel, California USA3 Threads 33 Posts
I strongly support death penalty laws and I believe that death penalty must be expanded not just on murderers, but on other violent felons like robbers, rapists, child molesters.
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Oct 9, 2014 4:34 PM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
Happygolucky4u
Happygolucky4uHappygolucky4uTreasure Coast, Florida USA25 Threads 4 Polls 6,241 Posts
Maranat: I strongly support death penalty laws and I believe that death penalty must be expanded not just on murderers, but on other violent felons like robbers, rapists, child molesters.
A lot of people do not realize there is a criteria that must be met to make one elligiable for the death penalty and it is not just any murder it must be serial, a child or elderly person etc. And most given the death penalty keep it in court for decades so they live to well progressed age many times marrying and haveing children while incarcerated. wine
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Oct 9, 2014 4:37 PM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
Maranat: I strongly support death penalty laws and I believe that death penalty must be expanded not just on murderers, but on other violent felons like robbers, rapists, child molesters.


Vengeance is not, nor should ever be, part of a civilized society's justice system...that's for the hysterical masses and their repressed and ugly bloodlust.
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Oct 9, 2014 4:44 PM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Tapajos: How often we heard about the cheap reason that death penalty would cause active deterrence, or it would lower the rate of criminality? There is not one single evidence or proof for such thesis! The proof is completely the contrary. Execution or summary execution are lowering the humanly respect for Life and making society more prone to violence.

The death can't be a punishment. Death is final. To put someone to jail forever until he dies is a punishment. Any person who killed someone for tawdry motives has finally lost (in my opinion) his rights to return to be a member of the society. But the government does not have the right to kill this person. Let them die in jail without a chance to be rehabilitated.

Albert Pierrepoint, the last hangman in the UK with over 450 executions turned from proponent to opponent about executions and death penalty. He said in his memories I have finally come to the conclusion that executions are meaningless. They are merely an archaic relict of some primitive demands for vengeance, making it plain and simple for itself and converting the responsibility for revenge to someone else.

Question: Does a nation or state having the right to kill?


I believe, yes. Do you think the Allies at the Nuremberg Trials had the right to convict and serve justice by ordering the deaths of those who committed crimes against peace, war crimes and crimes against humanity?
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Jan 1, 2015 4:09 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
Novaa
NovaaNovaaDublin, Ireland10 Threads 7 Polls 95 Posts
Definitely something that should be put into law in Ireland.
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Jan 1, 2015 4:21 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Tapajos: Question: Does a nation or state having the right to kill?


Does a nation or state have the power to declare wars?

This means right to kill, if you want to call it that way.

About rights, the debate could be neverending.
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Jan 1, 2015 4:36 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
It's a tough issue to address in a nation or state.

I recently read about a governor of an eastern united state pardoning all on death row and commuting their sentence to life in prison.

Sometimes the worry and rightly so, is that those that are condemned to die, get their sentence changed to life in prison and that does not mean their natural life, often shortened and then they get out of prison.

If a life in prison meant a life in prison - then that would be justice.
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Jan 1, 2015 4:40 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
Novaa: Definitely something that should be put into law in Ireland.


It is very expensive to do. Death row inmates require more supervision and more security to house.

The appeal process usually takes 10 to 12 years before execution. Now that Europe does not want to provide the drugs for the legal injection, it is a costly, long and painful process to put someone to death.

and is it really a deterrent to others?

Punishment that is just, swift and sure are said to be the answer to deterrent bad behavior.
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Jan 1, 2015 4:57 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
Abitdifferent58
Abitdifferent58Abitdifferent58Muenchen, Bavaria Germany2 Posts
This is a tough one !!

First of all, it's proved that it keeps NOBODY away to make the crime !!

Which would be a point against it.

It's also right that there will always stay a risk that the judgment could be wrong !

And finally, the question if its ethically right to kill for punishing ...

BUT !!!

Seeing how our society is struggling to keep care about certain minorities who NEVER did any harm to nobody, or how bad some old retired people get payed, who worked hard there whole life for the society...Knowing how much people still have to starve worldwide ...or how much people can't get the medical support they would need...because the government is pretending not having enough money...and than counting together how much this same government will spend all those years to keep somebody, like a repeated murder and so on behind bars...can bring some doubts...

Me, i certainly would prefer to pay any taxes for supporting less privileged people in my country, than to keep alive some folks having not respected life's of others...

So, finally my answer would be : YES in some VERY isolated cases !
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Jan 1, 2015 5:00 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
robplum
robplumrobplumEnsay, Victoria Australia107 Threads 1 Polls 12,031 Posts
psygnar: talk to the people in saudi arabia about punishments

saudi arabia beheaded 83 people last year alone, like the people who ruled kuwait prior to 1991, complete lunitics.

A person cannot be killed that simply an impossibility, because our nature is energy, believing having killed someone is just another form of human stupidity.
In essence the person killed by state sanctioned murder simply takes rebirth, e.g every action has an equal and opposite reaction e.g. murder becomes victim in next rebirth, round and round for as long as there are people suffering that sort of delusion.

I understand that sort of reasoning is far to complicated for the simplistic lazy minded folks all over this world, however my answer to the question is NO
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Jan 1, 2015 5:28 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
JeanKimberley: It is very expensive to do. Death row inmates require more supervision and more security to house.

The appeal process usually takes 10 to 12 years before execution. Now that Europe does not want to provide the drugs for the legal injection, it is a costly, long and painful process to put someone to death.

and is it really a deterrent to others?

Punishment that is just, swift and sure are said to be the answer to deterrent bad behavior.


I didn't heard anything of Europe, Usa and lethal drugs.




About deterrence of to be afraid to be killed by our actions, if one thinks in the lot of stupid risks of dying (by driving drunk, smoking, etc.), the society can't trust much in the deterrent reasoning.
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Jan 1, 2015 9:39 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
Benny1518: No. The chance of executing an innocent person is real. However, life imprisonment for murder.


I agree the chance of executing the innocent is too great. I think though, that is why we have so many sitting on death row compared to the number executed. They are awaiting appeals, etc.
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Jan 1, 2015 10:03 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Does it really matter if one criminal dies?

Some may say capital punishment lowers respect for Human life in general, I would say our people think too highly of themselves already. I think the noose would help remind people how precious they are not and this would be a good thing thing for Western society.
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Jan 1, 2015 10:16 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
lol criticizing western society....I don't see people rushing to the middle east or any other region of developing nations...lol

they all want to come here...so it must not be so bad, relatively speaking anyway...
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Jan 1, 2015 10:21 AM CST Death Penalty? Yes or No?
GUZMAN1: I didn't heard anything of Europe, Usa and lethal drugs.

About deterrence of to be afraid to be killed by our actions, if one thinks in the lot of stupid risks of dying (by driving drunk, smoking, etc.), the society can't trust much in the deterrent reasoning.


right deterrence is not a valid prevention. It may work in a few cases, but murderers are either insane perhaps feeling they are invulnerable, or they commit their crimes in a fit of passion where thinking about consequences does not happen. The "deterrent" theory assumes that a criminal can rationally consider the consequences. Clearly our crime rates show that is not the case.
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