How often we heard about the cheap reason that death penalty would cause active deterrence, or it would lower the rate of criminality? There is not one single evidence or proof for such thesis! The proof is completely the contrary. Execution or summary execution are lowering the humanly respect for Life and making society more prone to violence.
The death can't be a punishment. Death is final. To put someone to jail forever until he dies is a punishment. Any person who killed someone for tawdry motives has finally lost (in my opinion) his rights to return to be a member of the society. But the government does not have the right to kill this person. Let them die in jail without a chance to be rehabilitated.
Albert Pierrepoint, the last hangman in the UK with over 450 executions turned from proponent to opponent about executions and death penalty. He said in his memories I have finally come to the conclusion that executions are meaningless. They are merely an archaic relict of some primitive demands for vengeance, making it plain and simple for itself and converting the responsibility for revenge to someone else.
Question: Does a nation or state having the right to kill?
Republicans love the death penalty. Look up just how many were put to death in Texas under George Bushs' watch. It is a lack of respect for life, and justice.
Republicans love the death penalty. Look up just how many were put to death in Texas under George Bushs' watch. It is a lack of respect for life, and justice.
BlueCoupe: Republicans love the death penalty. Look up just how many were put to death in Texas under George Bushs' watch. It is a lack of respect for life, and justice.
......and what Bush had to do with that,since it is something a State institutes? You all get too used thinking that all a POTUS ought to do is sign another EO! Present example of governing by means of Executive Orders,which are worth less than the paper they are written on!
BlueCoupe: Republicans love the death penalty. Look up just how many were put to death in Texas under George Bushs' watch. It is a lack of respect for life, and justice.
BlueCoupe: Republicans love the death penalty. Look up just how many were put to death in Texas under George Bushs' watch. It is a lack of respect for life, and justice.
I strongly support death penalty laws and I believe that death penalty must be expanded not just on murderers, but on other violent felons like robbers, rapists, child molesters.
Maranat: I strongly support death penalty laws and I believe that death penalty must be expanded not just on murderers, but on other violent felons like robbers, rapists, child molesters.
A lot of people do not realize there is a criteria that must be met to make one elligiable for the death penalty and it is not just any murder it must be serial, a child or elderly person etc. And most given the death penalty keep it in court for decades so they live to well progressed age many times marrying and haveing children while incarcerated.
Maranat: I strongly support death penalty laws and I believe that death penalty must be expanded not just on murderers, but on other violent felons like robbers, rapists, child molesters.
Vengeance is not, nor should ever be, part of a civilized society's justice system...that's for the hysterical masses and their repressed and ugly bloodlust.
Tapajos: How often we heard about the cheap reason that death penalty would cause active deterrence, or it would lower the rate of criminality? There is not one single evidence or proof for such thesis! The proof is completely the contrary. Execution or summary execution are lowering the humanly respect for Life and making society more prone to violence.
The death can't be a punishment. Death is final. To put someone to jail forever until he dies is a punishment. Any person who killed someone for tawdry motives has finally lost (in my opinion) his rights to return to be a member of the society. But the government does not have the right to kill this person. Let them die in jail without a chance to be rehabilitated.
Albert Pierrepoint, the last hangman in the UK with over 450 executions turned from proponent to opponent about executions and death penalty. He said in his memories I have finally come to the conclusion that executions are meaningless. They are merely an archaic relict of some primitive demands for vengeance, making it plain and simple for itself and converting the responsibility for revenge to someone else.
Question: Does a nation or state having the right to kill?
I believe, yes. Do you think the Allies at the Nuremberg Trials had the right to convict and serve justice by ordering the deaths of those who committed crimes against peace, war crimes and crimes against humanity?
It's a tough issue to address in a nation or state.
I recently read about a governor of an eastern united state pardoning all on death row and commuting their sentence to life in prison.
Sometimes the worry and rightly so, is that those that are condemned to die, get their sentence changed to life in prison and that does not mean their natural life, often shortened and then they get out of prison.
If a life in prison meant a life in prison - then that would be justice.
Novaa: Definitely something that should be put into law in Ireland.
It is very expensive to do. Death row inmates require more supervision and more security to house.
The appeal process usually takes 10 to 12 years before execution. Now that Europe does not want to provide the drugs for the legal injection, it is a costly, long and painful process to put someone to death.
and is it really a deterrent to others?
Punishment that is just, swift and sure are said to be the answer to deterrent bad behavior.
First of all, it's proved that it keeps NOBODY away to make the crime !!
Which would be a point against it.
It's also right that there will always stay a risk that the judgment could be wrong !
And finally, the question if its ethically right to kill for punishing ...
BUT !!!
Seeing how our society is struggling to keep care about certain minorities who NEVER did any harm to nobody, or how bad some old retired people get payed, who worked hard there whole life for the society...Knowing how much people still have to starve worldwide ...or how much people can't get the medical support they would need...because the government is pretending not having enough money...and than counting together how much this same government will spend all those years to keep somebody, like a repeated murder and so on behind bars...can bring some doubts...
Me, i certainly would prefer to pay any taxes for supporting less privileged people in my country, than to keep alive some folks having not respected life's of others...
So, finally my answer would be : YES in some VERY isolated cases !
psygnar: talk to the people in saudi arabia about punishments
saudi arabia beheaded 83 people last year alone, like the people who ruled kuwait prior to 1991, complete lunitics.
A person cannot be killed that simply an impossibility, because our nature is energy, believing having killed someone is just another form of human stupidity. In essence the person killed by state sanctioned murder simply takes rebirth, e.g every action has an equal and opposite reaction e.g. murder becomes victim in next rebirth, round and round for as long as there are people suffering that sort of delusion.
I understand that sort of reasoning is far to complicated for the simplistic lazy minded folks all over this world, however my answer to the question is NO
JeanKimberley: It is very expensive to do. Death row inmates require more supervision and more security to house.
The appeal process usually takes 10 to 12 years before execution. Now that Europe does not want to provide the drugs for the legal injection, it is a costly, long and painful process to put someone to death.
and is it really a deterrent to others?
Punishment that is just, swift and sure are said to be the answer to deterrent bad behavior.
I didn't heard anything of Europe, Usa and lethal drugs.
About deterrence of to be afraid to be killed by our actions, if one thinks in the lot of stupid risks of dying (by driving drunk, smoking, etc.), the society can't trust much in the deterrent reasoning.
Benny1518: No. The chance of executing an innocent person is real. However, life imprisonment for murder.
I agree the chance of executing the innocent is too great. I think though, that is why we have so many sitting on death row compared to the number executed. They are awaiting appeals, etc.
Some may say capital punishment lowers respect for Human life in general, I would say our people think too highly of themselves already. I think the noose would help remind people how precious they are not and this would be a good thing thing for Western society.
GUZMAN1: I didn't heard anything of Europe, Usa and lethal drugs.
About deterrence of to be afraid to be killed by our actions, if one thinks in the lot of stupid risks of dying (by driving drunk, smoking, etc.), the society can't trust much in the deterrent reasoning.
right deterrence is not a valid prevention. It may work in a few cases, but murderers are either insane perhaps feeling they are invulnerable, or they commit their crimes in a fit of passion where thinking about consequences does not happen. The "deterrent" theory assumes that a criminal can rationally consider the consequences. Clearly our crime rates show that is not the case.
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Death Penalty? Yes or No?(Vote Below)
The death can't be a punishment. Death is final. To put someone to jail forever until he dies is a punishment. Any person who killed someone for tawdry motives has finally lost (in my opinion) his rights to return to be a member of the society. But the government does not have the right to kill this person. Let them die in jail without a chance to be rehabilitated.
Albert Pierrepoint, the last hangman in the UK with over 450 executions turned from proponent to opponent about executions and death penalty. He said in his memories I have finally come to the conclusion that executions are meaningless. They are merely an archaic relict of some primitive demands for vengeance, making it plain and simple for itself and converting the responsibility for revenge to someone else.
Question: Does a nation or state having the right to kill?