CreamyMint: Given recent attacks on the United Kingdom. Should all coppers bear arms?
YES - Reluctantly- Given the latest activities an atrocities carried out by middle eastern influenced extremist and far right evil fanatics in our cities and towns. -- Recent on the street surveys with no political or media axes to grind have proved that the majority of the public asked that question say they would be re-assured by their presence, and even the armed police groups say hey have had many decent people of all nationalities and religions saying thank you to them and that they were pleased to talk to them. - Such is the trust building up again in that close and direct community policing. JMO
CreamyMint: Given recent attacks on the United Kingdom. Should all coppers bear arms?
No ! There are plenty of special police officers , who are trained to combat any terror attack. We don't want to be like the US , where police officers take the law into their own hands & shoot at random .
MikeD12: YES - Reluctantly- Given the latest activities an atrocities carried out by middle eastern influenced extremist and far right evil fanatics in our cities and towns. -- Recent on the street surveys with no political or media axes to grind have proved that the majority of the public asked that question say they would be re-assured by their presence, and even the armed police groups say hey have had many decent people of all nationalities and religions saying thank you to them and that they were pleased to talk to them. - Such is the trust building up again in that close and direct community policing. JMO
What difference does it make if every police officer was armed? Random attacks will continue, regardless of arming ! It's the intelligence that needs to be step up,
CreamyMint: Given recent attacks on the United Kingdom. Should all coppers bear arms?
Why not make it an even playing field among the good guys and bad guys. Give everyone in the UK rights to bear arms wherever and whenever they so choose
CreamyMint: Given recent attacks on the United Kingdom. Should all coppers bear arms?
Yes. I live with Scarlet-coats...the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. I have no problem with seeing Officers representing the Crown to defend and protect me to bear arms. The RCMP are very reluctant to draw them, but, as empowered by Canadian law, the are armed, and if need be, can draw upon lethal force in the discharge of their duty. I would expect no less from UK police forces.
galrads: Why not make it an even playing field among the good guys and bad guys. Give everyone in the UK rights to bear arms wherever and whenever they so choose
Holy crap....that would be too much like the USA or Russia! We are still civil within the Commonwealth!
truheart1941: no. arming the police to shoot is wrong.....but using MIKE..D12.....as a target pratice is right.....
So seriously, you wish your constables to be "meter-maids?" I am a retired Officer of the Crown. I never drew arms, but it was available had the need arisen. To arm an officer is not to arm them to shoot, but rather, to arm them to defend. The BIGGEST thing is you have to choose your officers carefully.
DaMooseLives: So seriously, you wish your constables to be "meter-maids?" I am a retired Officer of the Crown. I never drew arms, but it was available had the need arisen. To arm an officer is not to arm them to shoot, but rather, to arm them to defend. The BIGGEST thing is you have to choose your officers carefully.
..being an arms exspert......oo7......I go it alone......
truheart1941: ..being an arms exspert......oo7......I go it alone......
I am armed, and former Blackwatch and PPCLI....but no matter....this is in regards to the police force. So? If a weapon is used in the commission of a crime in the UK, a call must go out for special para-military forces? Here in the "colonies" it takes a LOT of screening and training to be allowed a weapon, but they are granted, and I will be honest with you, it provides me with a degree of comfort and security. Then again....my home province is kn own to own several million weapons,,,,and I live right next door to the USA - those anti-gun pacifists!
fifitrixibelle: rumours I tell ya My gravestone will be carved with the words "returned unopened"
...... just make sure your gravestone..is to one side....it could sink....slowly and disappear altogether...just saying.... ..then....who would know....
DaMooseLives: I am armed, and former Blackwatch and PPCLI....but no matter....this is in regards to the police force. So? If a weapon is used in the commission of a crime in the UK, a call must go out for special para-military forces? Here in the "colonies" it takes a LOT of screening and training to be allowed a weapon, but they are granted, and I will be honest with you, it provides me with a degree of comfort and security. Then again....my home province is kn own to own several million weapons,,,,and I live right next door to the USA - those anti-gun pacifists!
..true...... but would that stop them from lobbing a mortar over the Rockies....????
truheart1941: ..true...... but would that stop them from lobbing a mortar over the Rockies....????
Okay colonial Father....why do you not wish to see your protectorate armed? Mortar over the Rockies? The question is...you wish your basic police force to be with whistles or weapons...those assigned to protect the populace>
CreamyMint: Given recent attacks on the United Kingdom. Should all coppers bear arms?
How will the police defend anything or anybody with no arms???
Then we might as well stop having police on the streets & get under 18 y/o's - a lot cheaper!!! - who can just call the military & run quick if they spot trouble, JMO
LaPiu: How will the police defend anything or anybody with no arms???
Then we might as well stop having police on the streets & get under 18 y/o's - a lot cheaper!!! - who can just call the military & run quick if they spot trouble, JMO
hi La Plu......we need the police....to stop woman like you......from standing on street corners.....
One2note: No ! There are plenty of special police officers , who are trained to combat any terror attack. We don't want to be like the US , where police officers take the law into their own hands & shoot at random .
Another persons life means more to us in England than it does in America, we're less egotistical and better at self-control(by no coincidence we're also slimmer despite having broadly similar shops and diet). We're much more mature - Donald Trump is the Brexit for 7 year olds - and it's right to consider the difference in human raw material. Compare the conduct of British versus American troops in the middle east for example. Our culture isn't as self-important and obnoxious as America, other people are just as important as we are(or at least somewhere in the same ballpark).
ChesneyChrist: Another persons life means more to us in England than it does in America, we're less egotistical and better at self-control(by no coincidence we're also slimmer despite having broadly similar shops and diet). We're much more mature - Donald Trump is the Brexit for 7 year olds - and it's right to consider the difference in human raw material. Compare the conduct of British versus American troops in the middle east for example. Our culture isn't as self-important and obnoxious as America, other people are just as important as we are(or at least somewhere in the same ballpark).
The average mental age in America is around 17, in Britain we're talking more the mid-20s. If our police were armed it would not be as dangerous as doing the same thing in a nation of children.
NO ... the Firearms squads are highly trained and as one member said to me years ago
"Any fool can fire a gun and most plods are in fact fools ... the Big Discipline involved lies in NOT shooting, once it's squeezed there's absolutely no return "
I didn't argue with him then and I'm not going to argue with him now, for the simple reason that tasers have been so much abused and I'd not be willing to put LETHAL weapons in the hands of those who continue to prove that they don't have the self discipline to NOT use them.
DaMooseLives: So seriously, you wish your constables to be "meter-maids?" I am a retired Officer of the Crown. I never drew arms, but it was available had the need arisen. To arm an officer is not to arm them to shoot, but rather, to arm them to defend. The BIGGEST thing is you have to choose your officers carefully.
I guess you're from a different era Moose and you have my respect.
An era when to be SELECTED for an officer's role was an indication of the high level of ethic and conduct that was expected from a candidate in that era. A time when far more failed than were ever accepted ?
Now, the police (here UK / USA and many other places) have let themselves down by their own misconduct so many times over so many decades that they no longer are regarded by the higher echelons of of our youth as a 'respectable' career choice ... so they keep on lowering the physical and educational criteria just to fill uniform and 'keep the numbers up'
It's plainly many are 'in the force' for quite the wrong reason ... ie related to the use of 'force' rather than the delivery of community 'service
If you were to read 'Into the Forest' written by former NZ police officer and later National MP Ross Meurant I suspect you might see how things changed!
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