From a legal point of view, I think it's seconds, rather than minutes.
If it can be demonstrated that even for a second, a perpetrator had some understanding that his, or her actions if continued would result in death and where there is no self-defence parameters, it counts as premeditation.
I agree, the charges should be first degree homicide.
I'm wondering if charges can be 'upgraded' in Minneapolis if evidence from further investigation warrants it.
If not, has the rush to have Chauvin charged created a situation where justice will not be done in it's entirety?
I'm not talking about a lengthier goal sentence as they are ridiculously long in the US as it is. I'm talking about a declaration of guilt which accurately reflects the event.
The verdict, whatever it may be, will have repercussions with respect to how culture changes, or does not.
Asphyxia would fit with George Floyd 's eyes bulging, his face turning blue and that stream coming from under the vehicle from where his groin would have been. The stream increased after Floyd lost consciousness.
LouLou, could those three things also be symptomatic of cardiac arrest?
Either way, were they obvious signs that Floyd was in trouble and needed medical attention?
Could it be argued that there were non-emergency reasons for those three signs?
The lesson to learn is that the police force in the US has enough psychological and physical authority that an officer, or a number of officers believe that they can behave in certain ways that are wrong with impunity.
There are lessons to be learned about how African American citizens are viewed and treated in the US.
It's about the cultural norms which favour some, but not others.
These are not new lessons, but there's a lot of resistance to learning them. The culturally accepted narrative about African American people is a defence mechanism to maintain the status quo and avoid having to really talk about stuff that will hurt.
It's utterly crazy that someone, or some people can believe having that behaviour captured on camera will not have consequences, but that is not the same as insanity.
There is a difference between a situation that is as bonkers as a bag of badgers and the psychiatric parameters used within the legal system.
For an insanity plea to be used it has to be demonstrated that the perpetrator did not know what they were doing was wrong at the time they were doing it.
As I proposed that there were behaviours which may indicate premeditation, assuming premeditation allows for any amount of time where thoughts to continue, or cease may take place, sanity was implicit in my evaluation.
PS. We take out chickens very seriously here in Wales. Tom Jones was banned from the village of Fochriw for 47 years for allegedly stealing a chicken in 1963.
“There was a fight and then the chicken had gone. Tom got the blame – but nobody really knows” Len Jones, aged 80.
I didn't want to say on Chancer's blog because clearly it's supposed to be very exciting and people are enjoying themselves.
I just don't get the purpose of it all, other than curiosity and achievement.
I don't get why it's a resources priority given there are people all over this world who are dying for want of food, clean water and basic medical attention.
Btw, the dragons don't need a landing pad that big and I don't think salt water will do them any favours in the event they've dropped by the Penderyn, or Dyfi distilleries on the way.
Take your time, I have some chickens to butter. Not that we're a vertically challenged nation of people, but it's just as well they don't fly very well.
I realise that there might be more to the story than we saw, or I heard (I could only hear the journalist and nothing else), but given what the journalist was saying about being in the process of moving when police and fire services arrived, being willing to move further and asking where they should move to... ...seemed an unlikely scenario for the reason for arrest.
Unless of course, the police were being unreasonably authoritarian.
I realise I'm rather deaf, but all I could hear was the journalist saying that they were in the process of moving away when they saw the police and fire services arrive and then repeatedly asking the officers where they wanted them to go as they were willing to move to wherever they were asked.
To be fair, we have a foot (UK size 5-6) in both camps.
If I buy fabric off the roll I conceptualise width in imperial, but the length I request I calculate (and have to buy) in meters.
There's no way we're going to let go of our imperial measurement idioms, we re-frame 500ml as just over half a pint, but we're adept at comparing grocery prices in metric because it's easy to work in base 10.
I still haven't got over the swindle that was being told 2 1/2 pence change was the same as 6d change, mind. I was five years old, but even then I knew it wasn't me who had been hit with the stupid stick.
So you're saying despite huge resources being used to investigate voter fraud where no evidence was found, people have to be idiots to think that there isn't imaginary evidence which proves that there was voter fraud?
And that imaginary evidence shores up your narrative about the future imaginary disaster that will definitely happen if remote voting is used to protect the voting rights and health of the electorate during the pandemic?
Is it that Covid will definitely go by miracle in a couple of months time, or is it that an incumbent president trying to get re-elected by rigging the system is not a threat to your constitutional rights?
It is a threat to other people's constitutional right to vote, but not yours, so that's okay.
“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal..."..."...but some animals are more equal than others."
I don't know how your registration works, but I would guess it's people moving away, or dying that aren't taken off the register.
According to Professor Carol Anderson, the author of White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Nation's Divide, the register in some states are 'cleaned up' by removing people if they haven't voted for one, or more recent election. As it's a certain demographic who are more likely to vote irregularly, it's poor people, including a high rate of people of colour who are targeted using this method of voter suppression without being told that they have been removed.
I agree, it has nothing to do with voting. Some voting fraud may very well be linked with identity fraud. In a study by Prof. Justin Levitt (Loyola Marymount University, Loyola Law School) calculated that from 2000-2014 there were one billion votes and 31 cases of voter impersonation fraud. I'm an unemployed layabout, but I've had a bowl of soup.
Don't confuse respecting your opinion with me challenging you for disseminating inaccurate information. Having the right to your opinion does not give you the right to collude with the oppression of other poor people, women and people of colour.
Why did you post something that was thought to be about a system error and nothing to do with fraud, Soon?
Even the recipients of the inaccurate ballots took the them to the police and then to the post office to be returned to the sender.
Doesn't that imply that citizens are likely to take the matter seriously and act honestly?
I don't know if that's what you were trying to demonstrate, but it was under my post asking for the large figures of voter fraud that Crypt knows about.
Enabling everyone to vote if they choose is not voter suppression, Oldeguy, therefore it's not the other side of the argument unless remote voting somehow stops Republican voters from casting their vote.
Confusing this with the possibility that the Democrats might win if their supporters aren't stopped from casting their ballot says something about the US voting system: it says that some people think it's unfair unless the elections are rigged in favour of the Republican party.
Nah, you just don't understand how it's carried out and how it works, Soon.
Part of that is because the methods of voter suppression are cloaked in 'reasonableness'. People think Trump is being reasonable because he says remote voting will lead to voter fraud, despite there being no evidence that remote voter fraud is anywhere near a prevalence which would effect outcome.
Once people have had their dose of 'reasonableness' designed to trigger a fear response, everything else is rejected in a bid to maintain perceived safety.
If we have stories about groups of people indicating 'badness', no amount of facts and figures to the contrary will sway accepted beliefs. If we accept groups of others are 'bad', we assume we are 'good'; any action which oppresses the 'bad' people, is a 'good' action and we can sleep better for having rid the world of 'badness'.
Without the narratives, the stories of who is good and who is bad, law enforcement wouldn't have endemic prejudices and wouldn't attract a high proportion of conventional and conservative employees.
We move forward by breaking down accepted narratives and we perhaps can only do that by having conversation and getting to know one another without punishment. The Truth and Reconciliation process in South Africa was more progressive than the Nuremberg trials.
What I said was: Followed by: Because I had made references to childcare, assuming more women are lone parents, or primary care givers than men, children are less likely to be able to queue for hours without having their primary needs met and they also tend to be poorer because of their care giving roles, or lack of pay parity.
Lastly: Because more people of colour have a lower economic status than a high economic status.
The assumption was yours that I was excluding white people of a lower economic status.
'Poor' encompasses a range in it's demographic, but does tend to include the socially disadvantaged as well as the economically disadvantaged. The term 'socio-economic' puts those two factors together for a reason: if you have a low social status, it's harder to dig your way out of poverty; if you are poor, you have a low social status.
There is a history of poor people, women and people of colour being oppressed and one of the means of subjugation was not having the right to vote. Only land owning men had franchise and only white men had land.
The methods of voter suppression, including blocking remote voting, specifically target these same groups of people. The various methods might not stop all poor people, women and people of colour from voting, but they are an effective enough inhibitory factor to skew outcome.
When, as a woman of low socio-economic status you buy into the rhetoric that remote voting is unfair, your are shooting yourself in the foot as well as helping to disenfranchise other disadvantaged people.
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From a legal point of view, I think it's seconds, rather than minutes.If it can be demonstrated that even for a second, a perpetrator had some understanding that his, or her actions if continued would result in death and where there is no self-defence parameters, it counts as premeditation.