You are judging this man on your own ability to control your actions in any given situation. He is not you!!! Not everyone has the same degree of bi-polar disorder. Not everyone is medicated the same. Not everyone is even diagnosed on the same set of symptoms. There is no saying that his illness and yours are similar in any but the most basic name for a very diverse condition.
I only pointed to the alcohol to illustrate that we can't judge him based only on his mental illness or ensueing state from his lack of meds. I was makin gthe point that there were other contributing factors including alcohol which was mentioned in the article.
I have never said at any time that alcohol caused anything, just that it could well have been a contributing factor. I said he had incentive from a disinhibitor. Even small amounts of alcohol are mood/mind altering, or there wouldn't have been such strict limits put on drink driving.
***What I am seeing here from the original post, is that this man didn't premeditate anything. His crime was reactionary with incentive from a disinhibitor, (alcohol).
#1 The article clearly statews he had been sending sgressive e-mails all day!! This is premeditaion!! This is reactionary! A man in love and jilted is capable of anything in anger and despair. His whole world was changing and somepeople react violently to change.
#2 Alchohol is no defense! If he was on meds...he knew not to drink alchohol. If he was on the meds, which they said he wasn't!
It clearly states on the bottle. I take medicine for bi-polar. I know that if I drink, it will have a negativwe effect. You are obviously on your meds and are not an alcoholic. No saying he wasn't an alcoholic as well as needing meds he wasn't taking. It is time that people take responsibility for their own actions and to quit blaming everything on an outside stimuli!
A. He knew he was bi-polar... agreed B. He knew not to drink alchohol... extenuating circumstances
C. He sent agressive e-mails all day...Sick and angry and drunk and agressive. Many people react like that who are not bipolar.D.
He threatened to kill himself....but chose to try and kill her, instead. Who knows what was in his mind then? We can't judge that! E. The threat of suicide was a cry for help....but he chose not to seek that help, but not only threw gasoline on the house, but the woman too. Out of his head with anger and rejection. Anger rages. It is destructive especially if you are drunk too and can't control it. A cry for help would have been the last thing on his mind right then in the throes of anger. Yes, he has some emotional issues, but is hardly mentally ill, to the point of being incapable of making rash decisions. I never at any time referred to his mental illness, (I did this on purpose). Lots of people without mental illness do this too every day, out of anger and rejection. Alcohol can enhance anger way past rational thinking.
I agree ther should be accountability for people who can't function rationally in society based on a diagnosis by a hospital or doctor.
What I am seeing here from the original post, is that this man didn't premeditate anything. His crime was reactionary with incentive from a disinhibitor, (alcohol). It is a bit difficult to premeditate a crime when you are drunk, considering you can hardly think at all in that state most of the time. His girlfriend left. He got angry, got drunk, rational thinking was out the door and he reacted violently.
I have left his bi-polar/insanity theories out of this scenario on purpose. They might have enhanced the reaction or not, I don't know, but it's funny how everyone so far, jumped to judge based on his mental diagnosis.....
My mental health qualifications here? HDip Psychology and worked for over 5 years with mental health patients, of all kinds, from admissons ward right through to community living, empowering them and getting them ready for community life and independance.
People, in places like this, seem to jump the gun and presume that if they put all their beliefs/thoughts/habits out there, then someone is going to see who they really are and like that, when in actual fact it puts most people off getting to know them, based on what the person just said about themselves.
you wrote: No. I don't think that.
Some people have the confidence of knowing that NOT everyone is going to like them, That is fine and I agree with that as long as it does no harm to anyone who may be vulnerable or impressionable
BUT they are happy with WHO they are ... Again that is fine, no arguement there with the above proviso
and so they don't "hide" their beliefs/thoughts/habits ... Not hiding them, and preaching them as gospel/koran/whatever are two different things, and to what ends?
And some people don't give a damn what others think whether they are happy with who they are or not!!!! Now here I have a problem with attitude! If people want to live outside of civilised rules,(put there for everyone's protection), and disrespect other people and their views, then they don't have to inflict their ignorance on others just because they think there are no consequences. To not give a damn about the people who surround us, our fellow human beings, is ignorance at it's best, and something that society in general doesn't tolerate.
When you say "when in actual fact IT PUTS MOST PEOPLE OFF getting to know them" . I am sure you know what YOU think but, may I ask how you know what most people think? I listen and observe. People say things to me, or each other, even on here, like, "I'd never go out with a drunk", or he is too set in his ways", or " does he expect everyone to think as he does". Read the threads!!! Everything that everyone says is a valid indication of how people feel. I'm sure you've heard similar comments from peole, including those you have discussed things with... A person would need to be an idiot not to take into account what others think when they make decisions for themselves, even if it's to rebel against what is being said...
Why is it that you see people who have come to terms with the facts they might be "not the norm" and therefore are at ease with sharing a bit about what they believe in - why do you see them as attention seekers? Some people are attention seekers. It is easy to see in their habits. Even on here, some post thread after thread of nonsense just to see how many they get on the first page. Look how much is copied and pasted on here in the name of religion for instance, in order to get people to see things one person's way... That is all attention seeking bahaviour. It is also showing lack of respect for other people who just want to have fun or discuss things amicably or post a thread that is informative, or brighten someone's day. And as for what I said about behaviour like tis putting people off other people, I personally would not let someone into my life romanticaly or otherwise, who would behave abhorrently towards others, so it puts me off for one, and I am sure ther are many others who feel the same.
I agree, and nothing puts me off anything I really want to do, as long as no one gets hurt in the process. Maybe so many years in books contributes to a lack of manners and respect in some academics.
Translations are always a good introduction to great literature I think but it is preferable to try to understand an original, even if in the beginning you are looking up the origin of nearly ever word. It gets easier with time. There are nuances in e every language that are so subtle that we miss, not all, but bits of the meaning, like where humour is used. With the original we can "get" the joke, or find deeper meaning and appreciate the text more.
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RE: This is just a horrible and sick thing this guy did. He should rot in jail. (Disturbing,warning!!)
You are judging this man on your own ability to control your actions in any given situation. He is not you!!! Not everyone has the same degree of bi-polar disorder. Not everyone is medicated the same. Not everyone is even diagnosed on the same set of symptoms. There is no saying that his illness and yours are similar in any but the most basic name for a very diverse condition.