The_Kansan Forum Posts (3,395)

RE: Statements that make you go HUH?

"I know your nuts are frozen, but what's wrong with the bike?"

"I'd never honestly cheat anyone!"

"If you wake up before I do, do me a favor and shut off the alarm before you wake me up."

"I'll pass on getting together for drinks, but maybe we can have a beer sometime?"

"Obama is the greatest president in American history!"

RE: Winter camping?

Winter camped on many occasions when I was younger. Have no real problems with it now except for not having the time (or much of anyone to go with).

One of my favorite set-ups is a 'scout pit' where you dig a long narrow trench and get a roaring fire going in it. When the fire burns down to a layer of coals about 3 inches deep, you cover it with about 4-5 inches of dirt and roll out your sleepingbag/bedroll. Toasty warm in the coldest of conditions!

Have also used reflector fires in front of leantos as well as snow caves, spider holes, etc...

RE: What is hunting for you?

I'm sure that the reference will go right over his head. (No pun intended!)

RE: What is hunting for you?

OMG! You finally admitted it!

RE: What is hunting for you?

Young Nettie McDunn
Had never seen one;
He was anxious of course, just a bit;
But it scared him to death,
It had fish on it's breath,
And it looked like an old catcher's mit!

RE: What is hunting for you?

Hmmm... Well, that certainly seems to be your stance, given that you've shown so much more respect towards animals than you have towards humans who don't share your opinions. ...Or would you only try to save certain humans?

RE: What is hunting for you?

Now that you mention it... What a wonderful idea!

If everyone were granted the right to kill one (1) other individual <human being> during their lifetime without fear of retribution, wouldn't the world be a much friendlier place?

I mean, it seems as though folks would be much more polite to each other because no one would know for sure if the person they're about to insult had already used up his/her "get out of jail free" card. And even if they had, then there's a chance that a friend or family member of the 'insultee' had not and might decide to use it on their behalf.

Seems to me that even those who spout unintelligible diatribes like several certain someones we all know, would be forced to remain polite.

Of course I realize that there would still be those amongst us who simply wouldn't give a damn, but I rather think that would be the excpetion more than the rule.

Anyway, it's a thought...

RE: What is hunting for you?

My apologies - I forgot to hit the quote button. This post was in response to this post:

RE: What is hunting for you?

Awww...

Thank you for the kind words, but I am quite happily taken and by a wonderful lady I met on this site nearly three years ago.

I remain here for the ability to send her virtual flowers and - even though I don't post as much as I used to - because of the friends I've made and continue to make in the forums.

RE: What is hunting for you?

I would respectfully suggest that you go back and re-read this entire thread and then look up the definition of aggression.

I haven't told lies about anyone or called them names or tried to obfuscate the issue, but it has been done to me deliberately several times.

Truth of the matter is that I have stated nothing but facts and have been called a murderer for it.

I've never witnessed any of the scenes of bloodletting that your favorite member, unLadylikechatterlee, has mentioned and I am quite sure that she hasn't either. She is making statements based upon her own lack of experience and willingness to anthropomorphize the animal kingdom.

You, yourself have made nearly unintelligible accusations and when others have responded to them, you call them names or worse.

If I "offend her" as you suggest, then I submit that it's only because she has summarily decided to take offense to anything/everything I say. And in much the same manner as you have.

Sure, I hunt and yes, I kill animals, but it is not only about the act of killing as you would have the world believe. Does that make me better than you or the other aforementioned member? No. Neither does it make me worse than you or <her>. But neither of you will accept that.

I stated in my original post that I would respect the opinion of those who do not hunt and that I expected that same consideration. That consideration has not been extended to me and I respectfully submit that it's because you have a personal agenda that does not include respect for anyone who doesn't share your opinion.

I have also offered to personally guide (albeit for a moderate fee) anyone who wishes to see nature up close and personal and have listed a few of my qualifications to do so. I also admitted that I was sure that none of you computer-chair naturalists would be willing to leave the comfort and safety of your homes long enough to take me up on the offer and so far I haven't been proven wrong.

Please, re-read the thread/poll in it's entirety and look up the definition of "aggression." If you are honest you will find that you are wrong - not because of your stance on hunting, but because of your methods of dealing with those whose opinions disagree with your own.

RE: What is hunting for you?

It should be - it's not a "coat" but a traditional war shirt. It is meant to be intimidating. The bead work is Southern Cheyenne and I'd explain more about the meaning of the patterns, but I know you don't care.

And one last quick item: You mentioned earlier something about the proximity of wild animals and the ease of killing them as opposed to the location and ease of going to the nearest Krogers. Truth is that I can walk out the back door and be in Nature's grocery store in less than 30 seconds. The nearest Krogers is a 6 mile drive.

I do not have a freezer full of beef and pork although there are a few trout in there. I caught them last summer on the Clinch River. In a few weeks I hope to have filled my freezer with venison and turkey. My conscience is clear and I will eat well and it will be healthier, cheaper and easier on the environment than a trip to Krogers in a polluting automobile.

Oh, and I'm a proud, card-carrying member of P.E.T.A (People Easting Tasty Animals)!


Goodbye!

RE: What is hunting for you?

No ma'am. I never made any of the claims you alluded to. Unlike you, I have simply stated facts. But you are right; I am still an animal killer. Just as you are still an un-educated hypocrite.

And yes, I know you've got thirteen degrees and are personally smarter than Einstein, Brubaker and Isaac Newton put together, but the fact remains that you don't know diddly squat about the natural world and the critters don't care how many letters you've got behind your name. I think maybe you should visit a slaughterhouse. Since you're too hypocritical to procure meat yourself, perhaps we'd be better off if you didn't disrespect animals that someone else has killed on your behalf by eating them.

You want to see deer in the wild? I'll make you a deal: For a nominal fee, I will take you and a few others of your choice on a weekend outing. I will leave my guns at home and we will not eat meat the entire time we are out. I will allow jeans and sneakers, but no hiking boots as they are too harmful to the environment. You'll also have to leave your perfume, deoderant and nail polish behind as these are not natural and have no place on an outing like this.

We will leave the evironmentally un-friendly sleeping bags at home and instead use wool blankets on beds of leaves and grass. I will teach you how to make fire without matches and show you a few edible wild plants. After that you'll be on your own unless you get into to trouble. I seriously doubt, despite your own claims, that you'll get close enough to feed the deer by hand (although there is a chance that, given your ineptitude and attitude, you will wind up feeding the bears).

FWIW, I am quite qualified to do this; I have both taken and taught desert, plains and mountain survival courses and have also worked as a guide for those who otherwise couldn't find their asses with both hands in the natural world (such as yourself). I am a naturalist who has indeed been in the position of having to hunt in order to survive and I have references if you'd care to contact them prior to booking my services.

You want to anthropomorphise all the poor defenseless little animals? Fine! Let me take you on a weekend outing and show you first hand just how they treat each other. Trust me, I'm far more humane in my methods than they are. But no, you and your kind are hypocrites who don't know or care the first thing about the natural world except for observing it casually from the safety of the modern world.

You wanna' know the truth? It is possible for man to live in the animal world without noticeably changing it. Wild animals cannot live with mankind without noticeably changing their own habits and behaviors.

Those who think otherwise are far more cruel in the long run than us stupid ol' hunters.

RE: What is hunting for you?

Pardon me while I ignore you for the next several hours - It is a beautiful fall day and I am going squirrel hunting and then maybe I'll come back home and cook a big juicy steak and wash it down with the blood of all the innocent creatures I've killed over the years.

I probably will forego the veggies as I can't quite understand how anyone could kill a poor defenseless plant (which doesn't even have the ability to run away!) in order to sustain themselves.

I mean, geez! At least the critters have a bit of a chance, unlike the poor helpless legumes. grains and fruits you all are so fond of murdering.

Just can't quite figure you folks out - Bunch of plant murdering fiends! It saddens me and makes me shudder at the thought of an entire field of helpless, harmless LIVING organisms giving up their lives for your supper! Oh the shame!

Too sad...

RE: What is hunting for you?

Oh, thank you Buddhachatterlee!



I have lived in the country my entire life and have gotten close enough to deer to tap them on the butt and let them know that they're not being as aware of their surroundings as basic survival instincts would dictate they should be. I do not feed animals, except domesticated ones, because I believe that is an injustice done to them by the ignorant - You are teaching them to become dependant upon and lose their natural fear of mankind which (as anyone who has ever witnessed a bear break-in or hit a "pet deer" with a vehicle knows) is dangerous to both the animals and humans.

You didn't mention the clothes I'm wearing in my main profile picture right now. I'm guessing it's because you know nothing about them (which doesn't at all surprise me). Well let me enlighten you: The shirt is made of buckskin and the pants from elkskin and the hat is of beaver felt. I made them myself from animals I killed. They are quite comfortable and warm and didn't cost me anything but time and a love and inborn respect for animals and an appreciation of the gifts they are capable of giving.

I have lived with and learned from several American Indian tribes and honor their beliefs and a way of life that is now all but forgotten by their own young men and women. But it will never be forgotten by me!

I doubt that you will care to know that I am not a trophy hunter - I do not, never have and never will display antlers on my wall. However I have used the antlers and bones of deer, elk and antelope for making knife handles, buttons and tools for knapping flint as well as a myriad of other useful items. It is part of my heritage and I will continue to do so as long as I live.

You may continue to live in your perfect little society surrounded world and I will continue to live in the real one. And you may feel free to continue to condemn my way of life and I will continue to frown at your hypocrisy and neither will change the other's mind. But in the end, I'll have the peace of mind that comes with knowing that I have lived my entire life with nature while you have only witnessed it from afar.

RE: What is hunting for you?

Well, so much for playing nice...

With all due respect, you know nothing about me and have no business casting the aspersions and making the un-educated asumptions you have made. I'm guessing that you've never run over a squirrel or hit a deer with your car or slapped a mosquito or killed a fly or a spider? If you've done any of those things then you are nothing more than a hypocrite - If you claim to have never done any of those things, then I submit that you are a liar.

It's been said that opinions are like a**hole and it's true insofar as I really don't care to hear yours.

I answered the thread title as honestly and openly as I could. I did not condemn or villify non-hunters as I have several friends who are non-hunters and respect them greatly. For the most part, they return that respect. But then again, they are ladies and gentlemen.

I am not trying to defend hunting - if you don't like it, that's fine, don't do it!

But I'm getting a little bit tired of un-educated individuals anthropomorphising animals in order to reinforce their own trite misbegotten beliefs and then trying to force those beliefs on others.

When you've gotten to know me and have become familiar with the walk I've walked then, and only then, will I place any credence in the talk you talk.

RE: What is hunting for you?

"What is hunting for you?"


For me hunting is not only a way to procure additional <healthy> food for the table, but also a time to relax, reflect and meditate on who and what I am as well as where I've come from and hope to be going.

It's not solely about making a kill - that's why it's called hunting and not killing.

It is a way to test the skills I've aquired over the years and improve upon those skills. It is a way to honor the memory of my father and grandfather and their fathers and grandfathers.

Whether or not it is necessary to eat meat to live does not even enter into the equation. What is necessary is that hunting is part of me and my heritage and even though it may not be required in order to survive, it is certainly necessary on my part to hunt in order to live.

When I hunt I become one with nature and follow nature's rules. It should go without saying that I am extremely respectful of the animals I pursue and kill, both during the hunt and afterwords. I do not know of many vegans/vegetarians who give personal thanks to the soybean plant for providing their sustenance, but I certainly honor the creatures who's lives I take by doing exactly that.

I do not hunt to survive, but I do hunt to live. To do otherwise would be to forget the face of my father and his father and his father's father and that would show a disrespect that I simply am not capable of.

I won't argue conservation because I've already seen that the majority of those who condemn hunting do not know or care about or believe in man's stewardship of nature.

Also, I will not argue with nor condemn those who do not hunt and I expect the same consideration from them.

I have done my best to answer the thread/poll title "What is hunting for you?" and I could go on for several more pages. Instead, I'll end this post with the following caveat:


...Those who hunt can never fully explain and those who don't can never fully understand...

RE: Say something, anything that is on your mind-2

...Someday I'm going to 'fall forward' and 'spring back' just so I can tell everyone that I'm on "Daylight Wasting Time."

RE: Happy Halloween

...Thought I was going to be tricking - then I found out that a Pinata is NOT a good idea for a Halloween Costume...

(Also, it's not a good idea to dress as the Grim Reaper and then go into a Nursing Home and holler "Next!")

...Words to the wise. Use them as you choose...

RE: Finish the sentence: If at first you don't succeed...

If at first you don't succeed, then please don't offer to catch me if I fall!

RE: Obama have to keep his promisses! Thats why he was elected!

I think a plant has rather more intelligence.

RE: ROT - Put yours here and/or prove me wrong. Blah!

About the only personal rule of thumb I have anymore is that the more rules there are, the more likely people will thumb their noses at them.

RE: have you met any famous people?

Met a few... Sam Elliot and Senator Bob Dole are the first that come to mind, both unique individuals and solid, upstanding men.

Also met authors Terry C. Johnston and Dr. John Baird. Became good friends with both of them.

Reckon there's others, but I'm still on my first cup of coffee...

RE: DO YOU SAY"I LOVE YOU"?

Ah, but that's the best part of life; Those things which seem simple but are in reality hopelessly complicated.

I say it to only one person in a romantic, heart of my heart, dream of my dreams way.

To others I say I love you in a 'you're an integral part of my life and I'm grateful for it' way.

To pets whom I anthropomorphize, I say it in a 'I'm grateful for the joy you bring to my life by being honestly you' sort of way.

To fish I've caught, sunrises I've seen and shining moments of memory I do not say it all, but the sentiment is there nonetheless.


Love is as indefinable as beauty. Reckon that's what makes love so beautiful and beauty so lovely...

RE: Lines,bait and know how.

That he does. And it makes it easier to take a break from here, knowing that the quality will continue in my absence.

10 Commandments of Obama (The Annointed One.)

XI. Everyone is entitled to their opinion so long as it agrees with the opinions of the liberals. Otherwise, you shall be castigated and ostracized

10 Commandments of Obama (The Annointed One.)

Got it perfectly and you are quite correct: Obama's policies and governing tactics are leading this country straight down the crapper! (Hence the O.P.)

RE: Lines,bait and know how.

We're good, Ken! In fact, we're very close to outstanding. It may or may not surpise you to know that Wonderworker, besides being a dear friend and kindred spirit, is also my "husband-in-law."

Hope you're doing well - Good to see you!

10 Commandments of Obama (The Annointed One.)

I understand perfectly. Precisely why I took the break that I did. As to Gordon Brown, et al... You've obviously not been around as long as some. And, sadly, G.B. and the others do not potentially have the same impact on personal freedoms that the President of the United States does.

As to the rest, I refer you to the last sentence of my 2nd post in this thread.

10 Commandments of Obama (The Annointed One.)

Pardon my offense!

1. You're not subject to his misdirection and,

2. I haven't been on here for a while and didn't realize that you'd take the thread so personally. My apologies.

3. I'm the easiest going son of gun in the world, BUT - Like it says in the rules: If you don't like a thread, don't click on it.

RE: Lines,bait and know how.

Diaphonous, whispering, vespering, sanctified and, taken in the whole, all-together wonderful.

Between an amazing river, fish that are more beautiful than their pictures could ever be and good friends, life becomes a dream made of spirtual perfection.