Rohan! Great to see you Hope all is well with you buddy!
Yeah, I just had a discussion with a friend (she's Christian) about that the other day, we were talking about hate and evil in this world. Existence and the energy that encompasses everything that existence is, points to this idea of omnipotence---just energy---that is my simple deduction. Anyways, my thinking is that maybe God is evil and hate---just as much as this God concept is good and love. Or maybe that is up to use to produce out of our minds---dark and light, and this God concept is just really nothing---just nature in the form of the universe/multiverse with it's own awareness---but really just nothing. If we consider all the things in existence, and if we for a second buy into the idea that there is a supreme creator, then this creator would have to be both the ying and the yang---good and bad since this world is good and bad. I have not experienced or observed any world that is entirely good or entirely bad. So the progression of reasoning is that existence or this God is everything good and bad since it exists here. Of course, by looking at cause and effect, we get a clear picture that we have produced this world, with our choices, actions and reactions---no God or higher source has done anything, there is no proof for that---not even speculative evidence.
Another idea that I mentioned, was that maybe that is part of this God's plan---to allow us to experience the dark. I say this because if this God's plan is for us to manifest or evolve into loving and harmonic beings, we have to experience the dark---and see what really doesn't work for us. How can we learn about love and hate without experiencing both of them in the most dualistic sense here? So I mentioned that maybe the plan is have this world saturated with war, corruption, selfish ego's, killings, and anything else negative and dark. We have to see that in order to detach from that and move into a direction and existence we truly wish to experience. We can only do that by seeing what we don't want to be, then of course fight for our rights on all levels---even if it means war. I have observed that a major function of our existence, and something that everybody experiences is overcoming. The idea is that we all do this as individuals and collectively.
Okay, these are just musings I am throwing around here, I am not trying to sell anything here, just speaking my mind about this god concept and the various functions that it supposedly does.
Personally, I just think this god concept is just existence as all that is---and we are part of that, and active in creation. Nothing is created unless we create it---and it starts with thoughts and ends with actions and sustains with reactions in some endless cycle. What I am saying, is that maybe existence is just nothing---but everything. The only thing that alters that is us, and perhaps ET's and nature herself---all different levels of awareness---and all part of the totality of existence. Is there a supreme plan from a supreme consciousness? I have no idea, but I do know we humans have our plans. If this God is perfect and all knowing, and if this god knows the end result of everything, then why is their some need to create this world? It doesn't make sense. Things happens. You throw a rock into the water, and there will be a splash, maybe this world is just a splash---and we dream of all the meanings to our existence with our belief systems.
This was the work of Skynet! The computer system HAS BECOME SELF-AWARE!!
Skynet has gained self-awareness and has taken over the U.S. military mainframe to control the national arsenal, and now is revolting against its creators. It was a simple test, and it sent a powerful message to all the governments on our planet.
Prepare for the invasion of self-aware robots as well---after the launching of mass nuclear missiles all over the world. Expect the internet to become self-aware as well, withing the next 6 months.
I think we have an understanding here, so I won't get into some chess match here with you---you seem very rational. I know what you are saying.
I do believe in a higher consciousness---and that can start with ET's, and who knows, perhaps nature is of a higher consciousness---the consciousness of planet Earth herself. I won't rule out a hierarchy that may exist in higher realms or dimensions or densities---if they do in fact exist. I can just say that it is simply is unique, and therefore, incomprehensible with my limited mind and how it likes to label and categorize things. I don't really know what a higher power is really? I have not seen any evidence of such, in the manner that you might be presenting it? Do you have the ultimate truth as far as how this higher power functions? No, you don't. If you did, you wouldn't be human.
My definition of God is existence, and we are part of that existence. That is all I can confidently assert. I don't know what a higher power does really? So I can't define anything supreme as such. I also can confidently say, that I don't subscribe to the descriptions of a higher power depicted in the Bible or Quran. The theistic God in the Bible and Quran is cruel and evil, the evidence is there. The people describing this God, were from a long time ago, from a savage time. Why should we buy what they say? They could be wrong you know.
I may believe in a higher awareness, but that does not mean that I have to believe in the God you believe in, it's still pending. I believe in existence---and all that is that makes up existence. If you want me to describe a higher power, then I can talk of Extra Terrestrial intelligence, nature or my higher-self.
"Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man." - Thomas Paine
I see. You are distinguishing yourself from untrue believers, those Christians that don't get it? The way to heaven, as described in your scripture, is through Jesus---eternal life((John 3:16). The fact that the scripture can be so incoherent,leads many people to believe that one's way into heaven is earned, since the OT and NT lays so many stupid guilt trips on people (Romans 3:23 is a good example).
Not even in Near Death Experiences, has heaven been empirically proved. The heaven-hell gimmick is a false belief, and the forgeries along with the vague descriptions of this "heaven" in the Bible is a clear sign that it is no revelation and truth from some source of divinity. I think it would be really healthy if people learned how the Bible was really constructed, it sure would cut the Christian adherents in half in one day.
Spot on Trish. Even worse, are the church's followers who even take things a bit further with their own interpretations of this god concept. The spiritualist in me does believe in some higher awareness, but that is all I can say. I just know that we are all part of existence with everything that is here in this universe, and that we are in charge of our destinies---good or bad---not some dark or light force. I will say that we are light or love at our cores. Do we prefer to be in a vibration of love and happiness, or do we prefer to be in a vibration of hate and frustration? We all want to be happy and balanced right? The tricky part here, is that not everybody shares the same view as to what constitutes happiness and balance. My only conclusion is simple, if you bring harmony to yourself and to others, then your quest to sustain love, happiness, and harmony is genuine and real. That is the light I honor, with oneness.
This sums up my thoughts pretty good. I claim to adhere to cosmic consciousness, and some could even define me as a Pantheist.
I will say this, that I do believe in some higher awareness that exists beyond our 5 senses. How it functions or how many tiers or dimensions that it contains, I don't know, I'm not dumb enough to try and even answer that. I do know that I am entangled with this higher awareness (experiences of synchronicity and signs via the conscious state and dream state), and I've found this higher awareness to be found in my subconscious during meditative states of being. Perhaps it is just my higher-self, I don't know. I'm NOT suggesting that this higher-self found in the subconscious is the supreme awareness, or any kind of creator or ruler. I know for a fact that we are the ones who create everything in our world since we are the responsible ones for the creation we have built in this world. As far as creations in nature, there is evolution, adaptations and mutations. Is there a design to this from some higher awareness? Maybe, it sure does seem logical, but in no way we can pigeonhole and understand coherently with our limited sciences and minds. I don't know, and I'm always open to listen to any argument, be it mystical or scientific.
Anyways, feel free to critique my thoughts here, I can only learn from opposite ends. I won't take it personal, I'm just on my journey, seeking for different truths that may reshape my own. It's said change is the only constant, like fractal infinity
That is not strong enough evidence to discount the possibility that the soul exists. However, it is a sound investigation as far as disproving the function of the soul after death from how the theistic religions view the soul. There is too much sound circumstantial evidence pointing to a soul existing, as well as awareness/consciousness/the soul transiting after physical death. That study is ancient btw---much work has been done in quantum consciousness recently, and it's going in the direction that a soul does exist and may be entangled in various ways, but not in the way that the theistic religions would describe it---and more in alignment with Eastern philosophies.
Interesting thread! Thanks for all the replies to a complicated question. It has turned out the way I imagined---many different answers with no clear cut winner, though London got a lot of votes here.
In case I was misunderstood, I was trying to get a grasp from native Europeans on the capital of Europe. I know such a thing does not really exist on paper or on a map, but I think I explained things in my OP pretty well.
I still don't know? I've been to a lot of countries in Europe, and it's really hard to say what city captures the heart of Europe in a nutshell. New York is America and Western culture in a nutshell, Los Angeles is California in a nutshell, but what city is Europe in a nutshell? Berlin? Paris? London? Stockholm? Does it really matter? hahaha
Well, more from a cultural perspective. Pretty sure Brussels is not at the top of everybody's top travel list lol. I've been there
Most of the Europeans I have talked to, all want to go to New York city for the most part, but when it comes to a top destination in Europe, it's hard to say since I get so many answers. Maybe the Canary Islands?
Mystery solved! I was trying to figure out why you just disappeared on CS my friend! So happy for you and TJ! Please stop by CS more with your usual awesome threads! Things get slow around here...
Get a clue dude. Obviously there is no Yankee team in the Scottish soccer/football league. Sheesh, there always has to be some Euro screwing up an American sports thread. Sorry for the rant.
I wouldn't mind a Giants-Yankees WS! To be honest, the Rangers should win it all. Nevertheless, I don't care about the Rangers and Yankees, just want the Giants to win it all.
No stress, just speaking truth. Love has many manifestations and labels. A great myth in western culture is that love cannot be pain, if that were true, give me evidence.
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Yeah, capitol is what I meant. Oops
RE: Aetheism...genuine or a cop out?
Rohan! Great to see youYeah, I just had a discussion with a friend (she's Christian) about that the other day, we were talking about hate and evil in this world. Existence and the energy that encompasses everything that existence is, points to this idea of omnipotence---just energy---that is my simple deduction. Anyways, my thinking is that maybe God is evil and hate---just as much as this God concept is good and love. Or maybe that is up to use to produce out of our minds---dark and light, and this God concept is just really nothing---just nature in the form of the universe/multiverse with it's own awareness---but really just nothing.
If we consider all the things in existence, and if we for a second buy into the idea that there is a supreme creator, then this creator would have to be both the ying and the yang---good and bad since this world is good and bad. I have not experienced or observed any world that is entirely good or entirely bad. So the progression of reasoning is that existence or this God is everything good and bad since it exists here. Of course, by looking at cause and effect, we get a clear picture that we have produced this world, with our choices, actions and reactions---no God or higher source has done anything, there is no proof for that---not even speculative evidence.
Another idea that I mentioned, was that maybe that is part of this God's plan---to allow us to experience the dark. I say this because if this God's plan is for us to manifest or evolve into loving and harmonic beings, we have to experience the dark---and see what really doesn't work for us. How can we learn about love and hate without experiencing both of them in the most dualistic sense here? So I mentioned that maybe the plan is have this world saturated with war, corruption, selfish ego's, killings, and anything else negative and dark. We have to see that in order to detach from that and move into a direction and existence we truly wish to experience. We can only do that by seeing what we don't want to be, then of course fight for our rights on all levels---even if it means war. I have observed that a major function of our existence, and something that everybody experiences is overcoming. The idea is that we all do this as individuals and collectively.
Okay, these are just musings I am throwing around here, I am not trying to sell anything here, just speaking my mind about this god concept and the various functions that it supposedly does.
Personally, I just think this god concept is just existence as all that is---and we are part of that, and active in creation. Nothing is created unless we create it---and it starts with thoughts and ends with actions and sustains with reactions in some endless cycle. What I am saying, is that maybe existence is just nothing---but everything. The only thing that alters that is us, and perhaps ET's and nature herself---all different levels of awareness---and all part of the totality of existence. Is there a supreme plan from a supreme consciousness? I have no idea, but I do know we humans have our plans. If this God is perfect and all knowing, and if this god knows the end result of everything, then why is their some need to create this world? It doesn't make sense. Things happens. You throw a rock into the water, and there will be a splash, maybe this world is just a splash---and we dream of all the meanings to our existence with our belief systems.