Russian social media abuzz with the rumor

The rumor is Ukraine has crossed the Dniepre River in force, and pierced the first Russian line in the vicinity of Kozachi Laheri and is already about 800 meters past that. A public satellite fly by of the area is still several hours away. There is concern Ukraine may also have gotten some vehicles across the river (somehow). The location of the incursion will provide opportunity for Ukraine to sever the E58 route. Previously Russian VDV (airborne (what remains of them) troops) had manned the line, but they were pulled out earlier this week and sent to fighting to the North and were supposedly replaced by regular infantry. As stated, this is still a not confirmed rumor on Russian Social Media not yet publicly confirmed by Ukraine. professor

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To hold that bridgehead will be impossibel most likely.
Must be the last place on earth I'd go as an enemy of the Russians.
With the back to the swampland/river.

I suppose you are familiar with the Russian tactic of pulling back-
letting them into a pocket, stay at a safe distance and just bombard them.

I think the war is over.
Russia currently does not have the ability to occupy Ukrainian ports, so all attacks on them are absolutely terrorist.
Source: Zelensky's interview with the Brazilian broadcaster Globo
Direct speech: "Is it adequate that a person is shooting at the ports? Let's just talk about it. He (Putin - ed.) cannot occupy these ports. That is, it is not military action. It is not even about war. That is, he cannot land in our ports. It's impossible. He doesn't have the capacity. We'll just sink his whole fleet if he comes close to us. And he knows it very well and is on his way."
"That is, it is not a military target. He is shooting at Odessa, at the ports and at the historical center... And here you have to answer the question "for what?". This is not about grain. (This is ed.) terrorism, terrorist act, terrorizing people...".
Details: Zelensky emphasized that Putin is an inadequate person and much of the world is also moving towards this understanding.
Totally agree that Zelensky is more 'adequate'. He shows pure style on them ivories.



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LoL. Although Jomini completely agrees with you in his 'Art of War,' Sun Tzu completely disagrees in his version of the same book. Sun Txu thought that was the best place to be because the men will fight harder if retreat is improbable. He may be correct.

In typical Russian military brilliance Russia replaced the VDV troops who were holding that area with poorly trained conscripts. A few cluster shells on their line and they abandoned their positions and ran away (some fun to watch videos of it are on Telegram, both drone and cell phone filmed). Much of the Russian artillery covering that area was itself targeted and those units no longer exist. Then Ukraine moved into the abandoned positions.

As you anticipated Russia did send relief forces in, but Ukraine's attack was well p-anned and an ambush was in place. Although some were killed outright many of the Russians surrendered enmass. Much useful information was gathered from their cell phones, including that of the Major commanding the relief column. We should expect those Russians captured to volunteer more information as interviews progress. More Ukrainians had arrived as of this morning and the area under Ukraine's control expands.

Russian morons actually believed the war was about the worthless salt mines of Bakhmut.


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Can you name me the exact location of these successes?
Name of villages, area.
Where are they headed too, where can we expect the advances next?
I'll take a look at google maps if you just tell me the latest wins for the Ukrainians.
Just a few places if you can Ken. I wanna keep an eye on it.
The Brits wanted to boot about 100, 000 Ukrainians out of the UK last week Grand, maybe this is where the extra's are coming from..
The word from independent media is that some western countries are having to send troops into the Ukraine now, Polish troops, German troops to man German tanks, US troops will go in to man the US tanks..

The reports are that there are not many capable fighting men left in the Ukraine, the Ukrainians have recruiting boys and disabled men for some time now;;
Butch, I know the ukrainians are not any bad fighters. Nor are the Polish.
Basically any eastern european guy is quiet man to be reconed with.
Used to manual labour often and in general pretty stirdy folks.
Problem is, Russia is close to unbeatable once dug in like this.
Kiev is showering manpower at this,
wasting away young lives.
These tanks have less meaning nowdays,
except of looking pretty admirable when rolling into the minefields..
I already did. Read this again. "The rumor is Ukraine has crossed the Dniepre River in force, and pierced the first Russian line in the vicinity of Kozachi Laheri "
Those 'Independent' reports lie. Are you the one writing them? LoL With the exception of guards in the re-opened Embassies in Kiev no active duty members of NATO countries are assigned (or likely to be) assigned to fight in Ukraine. Actually if NATO does get involved as a force St. Petersburg and Moscow is where you will see them. Russia's border defenses have been stripped pretty bare with a lot of dead Russian border guards dead in Ukraine.
The world is waking up to the western tactic of unfair trade and Africa is a good example Grand, Poland should take note and highlight the cost of the Ukraine war on Poland itself..

Poland should raise the cost issue to NATO even if they don't get compensation, high lighting the real problem is more important than the cost..
Sure. And I think the rumor may be true.
I just have a feeling it's another blood spree sent from Kiev, with unbelievably
waste of human lives for hardly nothing. Worst cost for advanceing Ukrainians as the Russki just fall back some. But let's see.

Ken, answer me this: do you really think this can be won by Ukraine + friends
on the battleground with no dirty tricks?
No country has taken in more refugees than Poland, and that I respect.
Only... the costs are high as u say.
There is something completly wrong about polish solldiers at the front.
Little I can do from over here.

This whole war is so senseless! Just split the damn country!
It will be for the last time.
Ukrainian authorities have announced a mandatory evacuation in part of Kharkov Region bordering Russia’s Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics.
In a written order on Thursday, Andrey Kanashevich, acting head of the Kupiansk military administration, published a list of 37 settlements near the combat zone that were to be evacuated by local residents. He cited “constant artillery attacks and the security situation” as the reason for the decision, adding that the order also applies to the city of Kupiansk itself.

Since 9 January 2018, Blaszczak has been the Minister of National Defence of Poland. On 22 June 2022 President Andrzej Duda nominated Blaszczak to succeed Jaroslaw Kaczynski as the Deputy Prime Minister of Poland. Poland is moving its forces to scare Belarus, defense chief Mariusz Blaszczak has said
Speaking to national public broadcaster Polskie Radio, Blaszczak stated that “we are moving the army closer to the border with Belarus” in order to “scare the aggressor so that he does not dare to attack us.” The minister added that security in the region would be underpinned by 10,000 soldiers, with 4,000 assigned to directly support the Border Guard, and another 6,000 held in reserve.

Blaszczak’s comments also come after Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu announced on Wednesday that Moscow would bolster its troops on its western borders amid a stand-off over the Ukraine conflict. In his speech, he described Poland as a “key instrument of anti-Russia policies of the US.” He also claimed that Warsaw is actively trying to build up “the most powerful army” in Europe, which, according to Polish officials, now numbers around 170,000 service members.
There is no need to seperate your questions into different posts.
Well other than volunteers who join Ukraine's foreign legion I am not sure who you mean when you say Ukraine and friends. We agree if provoked enough Poland may turn Belarus into rubble, but that has nothing to do with Ukraine. Regarding Ukraine winning the war without dirty tricks, whose rule book of how a war is to be fought are you reading? Throw it out. It is a comic book. As the saying does, all is fair in love and war. Russia found it fair to hell maternity hospitals and grain warehouses, and as we saw yesterday and today, in Moscow (and elsewhere in Russia) things are suddenly going boom and burning quite nicely. Russia reports the optical gun sight factory that exploded yesterday in the Moscow suburbs had someone careless with a cigarette smoking near some stored fireworks set aside for celebrations. Those videos on Telegram of stored artillery shells blown out of the factory building well that is just an optical illusion. Those fireworks just look like artillery shells. The multiple explosions at the Moscow airport this morning, the burning bomber,, the huge fire, well that was just someone smoking carelessly. Fact is Russia has had more explosions this year than in the past 10 years combined. Seems fair to me. Bomb hospitals, kindergartens and grain warehouses, expect to hear loud noises see some smoke at home.

There is no reason for Ukraine to split anything except Russia. Crimea is part of Ukraine and by invading it, Russia has forsaken future free access to the Black Sea for at least 80 years. It may take another 6 or 7 months to make that so, but the action is well underway.

What was the sad waste of life was the show Ukraine had to put on around Bakhumet. Nothing important there, but Russia had to be convinced Ukraine thought it was important, and they swallowed the bait hook line and sinker. Look at all the trench lines Russia built in the North, you caan see them on the DeepState website.. They moved every spare man they had to surround a worthless town no one cares about. Hitler insisting the crossing will be at Pas-de-Calais and not Normandy comes to mind. The instant Russia decided to not bother building trenches near the Dniepre because it was so wide then blew up the dam keeping it wide, they messed up big time. All the supply route bridges from Kerch are blown. The E58 is the only supply route from Crimea left for the forces around Bakhumet and the Russians near Kherson. If Ukraine cuts that there is almost nothing between them and the border of Crimea. Sure Russia can pull forces off Bakhumet, but then it will lose Bakhumet. Either way Russia lost. Meanwhile more things go boom inside Russia where the Russian people can see them and know Russia lied when it claimed it was winning.
Yes sure. Denys Davydov and the Enforcer and others talked about that withdrawal yesterday. Russia is expected to attempt to capture Kuipiansk in the near future. In order that Ukraine may saturate the area with artillery fire and terminate the advance villages in the path of fire are being pre-evacuated. This will give Ukraine's army total freedom to rain down fire without having to worry about innocents in the line of fire. Basically a mini-DMZ is being created where anything that moves must be Russian and can be lit from above.
They splitted up Jugoslavia cos they could not get along without bloodshed.
The same outcome here would be preferable.

Problem is... Putin is 70 and I know there is many a hawk here in the west,
whose got their greedy eyes on Russia itself.
Hence I see problems ahead for quite some time, and that is bad news.

Arrite, have a good weekend mister.

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Where did you get that information from, Butcher?

My understanding is that Ukrainian refugees can apply for a three year leave of stay, so even if some were transported to the UK Star Trek style on the day Russia invaded, they still have 18+ months leave left.

I'm not saying their status in the UK is without difficulties. Some have been made homeless by their host families, affordable rented accommodation is difficult to find, some have married British people and started families, etc.

Rishi Sunak, our second generation immigrant Prime Minister who has had a life of elite privilege appears to have a particular problem with other immigrants. I don't expect any of the overseas members of our communities will be treated with dignity and humanity with him at the helm, but I don't think even that muppet of a leader tried to send 100,000 Ukrainian refugees back home last week.

I think maybe Sunak might have stamped his feet reiterating that the three year leave to stay is not a pathway to permenant settlement, three years leave being estimated as enough time for the conflict to end. I can only find this information from a Ukrainian source, however, as there seems to be no recent mention of it in the British media.

Inevitably the situation will have to be reviewed, and I believe parliament is already being petitioned to recognise that the situation isn't that simple for our Ukrainian guests. We cannot send them home regardless of the circumstances without breaking our own human rights laws.
Get your facts right will you.

This may happen when their 3 year visas run out in 2025 not last week.doh
Who is responsible for these attacks within Russia?

I thought Biden gave Zelensky an ultimatum with respect to attacks on Russian soil because that would turn him from defender to aggressor. dunno
No one knows for sure that the Moscow attacks are not being done by Russian separatists. Despite how down trodden the Russians are, there are those like other times, freedom fighters who just wait for the right opportunity.
I imagine the Ukraine is doing hit and runs and distracting the Russians. They are going to attack X so lets shove our troops that way. Gottcha! We lied.
There is an issue with the Russians of severe mis-management by Generals, and commanders. Supply issues and the fact that the Russians are raiding museums for tanks and bone yards.
The old saw is you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Likewise you can tear a man from his home and mediocrital job, tell him to buy his army gear, send him to a country that has no importance to him and then shoot at him. Then expect him to worry about Putin and the oligarchs. No, he will worry about his azz!doh crying
Poland should be compensated for the refugees from this war, and should ask for compensation for being the biggest step into the Ukraine for the west..

It's dangerous for any country to be a stepping stone into war, no matter who's in the right or wrong..

The US has spent $113 billion on the Ukraine war since it started, that includes compensation to the western countries that have a border with the Ukraine;; the US is asking for $40 billion from the US tax payer..
Facts this Tiger, the UK has a big problem with Russia and always have..
It was Boris Johnson that told the Ukraine to go back to war, there will be no peace talks because the UK has a Russian bee in it's bonnet..

The UK also has a big target on it's back due to the long range shadow missiles and the depleted uranium ammo it supplied to the Ukraine..
Hmmm...I don't think we have the same aversion to communism that the US has. We might not be as socialist as the Nordic countries, but we're far less right wing and less frightened of equality than the US.

Even with the Russian poisonings in the UK in recent years, Russia is not something we talked about much before the invasion of Ukraine.

Maybe it looks different from the outside, but I was really surprised to hear that I have a 'big problem with Russia'. I guess I have a problem with any oppressive regime, but that includes aspects of the UK. dunno
At a press conference on August 12th, 1986, US President Ronald Reagan said, “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’”
Technically that is eleven. batting lol
So many have that thought, but it is not really the rule. First the US is hands off as far as how Ukraine fights it's war with Russia. The White House placed only 1 rule. Weapons supplied by the US should not be used inside the land of Russia as it was in 1994. Some, but not all EU and other countries have also asked for that, but not all. Turkey (and Iran) have not placed any rules on where their drones can be used. The US Joint Chiefs have made intelligence assets more or less accessible by Ukraine and provide advice but in no way is that advice orders. In fat Ukraine has ignored US advice several times regarding the current offensive. That is there right. also Ukraine has begun making their own long range drones and they can use them where ever and how ever they wish. As Moscow which frequently (daily) launches attacks inside Ukraine from inside Russia, what goes around comes around.

Noting also the prohibition against shelling or bombing Russia with US weapons is just a White House rule that President Biden can change at any time. If the world wants Ukraine to win this war, then if Putin won't pull out of Crimea, leveling much of Russia may be the only way. Putin's choice.
In reality in US it would be “ I be here from guvment to hep y’all” laugh
Butcher, she is right. Some of the things you write here, I wonder sometimes if you make them up or if you are believing the tripe Vladimir and Margarita make up on Russian State TV and the RT channel. As the ladies have stated, in 18 months, unless the visas are extend (which they probably will be) the refugees would have to leave, but not for over a year and a half.

Russia under Putin on numerous occasions attempted and committed acts of assassination against people inside the UK. Those murders abd attempted murders of people inside the UK were both terrorist and by definition state spomsored Acts of War So even if itt is a decade later, UK is fully within it's rights in returning the favor.

Russia began using depleted Uranium ammunition against Ukraine almost a year ago. This fully justified Ukraine using such ammunition against Russia. Ukraine didn't have any, but the West has been happy to supply it.
Chump change. During our decade or two in Afghanistan we spent 9 Billion dollars per month. Before anyone starts whining about the cost of the F-16s, let us note they are, although greatly superior to much of what Russia has, by current US standards an obsolete fighter currently being pulled out of USS service and without sending some to Ukraine they would all be heading to our huge airplane scrap yard. Their current depreciated value is based on the cost of the metal in them.
You can now add Robotyne to the list.
Thank you for explaining that to me.
Gov hir listn up btches rolling on the floor laughing
Fact:- Boris is no longer in charge.

As for your other comment read this link and it might just clear up your conception of the UK's stance on Russia. I've quote some parts of the speech just in case you don't bother to read it. The speech was made just a few months ago and clarifies just how we feel about Russia and it's people.




"We do not suffer from Russophobia. We have a long history between our two countries. We fought together in two world wars. Across our country people respect and admire Russia’s rich cultural heritage."

"We do not want Russia to fail as a state, as the Russian delegation sometimes claims. Quite the opposite, in fact. We want Russia to be a stable and prosperous nation – just one that does not invade and try to annex its neighbours."

"The problem in Ukraine today is not caused by Russophobia. It is caused by President Putin’s desire to annex a sovereign nation, in breach of the most fundamental principles of the UN Charter."

"So when the Russian state complains about Russophobia, what they actually object to, very simply, is Ukraine’s determination that it should remain an independent nation: its refusal to bend to Russia’s will and to give Russia its land."


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Is that the English stance Tiger?
Sound like something out of a kinder garden book.
Rather like your comment thensigh

As a British subject I get rather sick of judgemental people who put other's in brackets and assume to know it all especially about the country I live in.

You carry on worshipping Putin ,I'll try to stay on course and try to understand just what repercussions this war has had globally if that's all right with you.
@Tiger_Moth.
And what do you think my point is in all of this.
What do I stand for.
@gran but surely what you think and mean is for you to say, why ask another what they think you believe?
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