Paying the piper...
Top story today: Jury awards $148 million in damages to the 2 election workers over Rudy Giuliani's lies.Rudy repeatedly pushed a false conspiracy theory that endangered the lives of Wandrea “Shaye” Moss and her mother, Ruby Freeman who were 2020 Georgia election workers. They were on video passing something back and forth that Rudy claimed was drugs, when in fact it was a pack of Tic Tac breath mint.
Admitting he had lied, Rudy continued to repeat his baseless allegations about the women in comments to reporters outside the Washington, D.C. courthouse earlier this week.
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However, it's for intimidation purposes.
A deep state move to demonstrate power
basically saying "don't f with us"
The punitive amount of $75M (the plaintiffs were awarded $73.2M between them, $275K was legal fees) was meant to send the message that it's unacceptable to forever alter/ruin people's lives for personal gain and convenience.
It's devastating to see an old man's life dissolve, especially in the realisation that he's likely to spend his last years in prison, but he tried to do worse to these two women. They could have been murdered and may still be yet.
Rudy kinda maliciously fired a garden hose only to have it deflect back in his own face, except the stakes were much higher. Feckin' pointless, too.
However, it's for intimidation purposes.
A deep state move to demonstrate power
basically saying "don't f with us"
There was no deep state.
However, it's for intimidation purposes.
A deep state move to demonstrate power
basically saying "don't f with us"
Rudy kinda maliciously fired a garden hose only to have it deflect back in his own face, except the stakes were much higher. Feckin' pointless, too.
Hopefully, there are similar requirements in Georgia, otherwise people would be able to squander their assets paying lawyers for frivolous appeals as an act of spite.
In other words, he had something to hide such that it was worth copping a $148M fine for. Bear in mind, admitting liability in this civil case goes to the heart of the criminal charges against Rudy in Georgia. Whatever he is hiding, it's even bigger than criminally conspiring to overturn the results of the election.
There are a limited number of criminal charges that are worse.
Like Trump, his only hope is in Trump's re-election and a dictatorship where the constitution, supreme court and the rules of law as they stand are ditched. Faced with financial ruin and the likelihod of going to prison for the rest of his life, publicly licking Trump's arse is not really that surprising.
We are talking about the man who targetted poor and Black communities in New York with his 'broken windows' over-policing, revenue-stimuating policies and then took advantage of 9/11 when people were most emotionally vulnerable in order to elevate himself.
It might appear frustratingly slow and accommodating of Trump's every whim, but everything he loses as a result of interlocutory motions and appeals tightens the case(s) against him. They can't be re-appealed post-conviction.
It looks very much like Trump et al are being given free reign to stitch themselves up like kippers to me.
These lawyer types are focussed on the model of precedent which likely extends to a canny sense of Trump et al's playbook. Trump has left a comprehensive trail of his behavioural precedents leaving him rather predictable. I don't think Trump fully understands that, given he can't empathise with others whom he cannot manipulate according to that limted range playbook.
Personally, rather than criticising, I'm watching and learning. There's so much more to come.
As I understand it, not only did Rudy avoid admitting defense evidence at the discovery stage leading to liability by default, he was also economic with providing evidence of his assets.
I heard Judge Howell instructed the jury to assume he had enough assets to cover any amount they saw fit to award.
When pushed they have no choice but to budge, under overwhelming pressure
but their own story is different. Not that you care, I know that.
You're just happy to bring down Trump,
don't mind the methods.
When Fox was forced too, cos of the billion(s)
you was equally convinced that was not just power play too?
These women feard for their lives, I don't buy it.
Their reputation? That's bull too. Give them a 100k each, for the short term pain.
Giuliani was a but too uncareful here, we all get that. But his main point is and always will remain correct. It was stolen one way or another.
When pushed they have no choice but to budge, under overwhelming pressure
but their own story is different. Not that you care, I know that.
You're just happy to bring down Trump,
don't mind the methods.
When Fox was forced too, cos of the billion(s)
you was equally convinced that was not just power play too?
These women feard for their lives, I don't buy it.
Their reputation? That's bull too. Give them a 100k each, for the short term pain.
Giuliani was a but too uncareful here, we all get that. But his main point is and always will remain correct. It was stolen one way or another.
Which part of graphic death threats followed by their address being posted online do you not understand?
Remember?
Shortly after Trump held a $100,000 a plate dinner at his world-class Bedminster club.
While Donald J. Trump, Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell all claimed to have information to prove the election was rigged, so far nothing has come to light.
My friend believes in fear that Giuliani will flip on Trump, some deals were made and money (for legal fees, etc.) will be coming from Trump sources. Now we all know Trump won't dig into his pocket for the money, it most likely be diverted from campaign funds or other grifter income.
He's appealing anyway, but Rudy may have been persuaded to 'change his tune' in order to fight the defamation suit.
Which part of graphic death threats followed by their address being posted online do you not understand?
Which part of graphic death threats followed by their address being posted online do you not understand?
Death threats is very widespread now cos of something called internet.
Do you know there is a 'fatwa' for Roger Waters head in Ukraine?
That is more lasting and to be taken serious.
I don't se UK nor USA holding back on their funds to Zsky (of that reason) though.
Give them 100k each then but these billions or what crazy shit we're talking about here,
clearly designed as a message to future Rudys, is so out of proportion that even you should get what is behind it.
Problem is you lack common sense here so you being wrapped around this finger too.
You eat up any bone they throw you as long as it taste like Donalds blood.
Remember?
Me I don't pay more attention to this than I did to the bad J6 courts
that unfortunetly lead to many an innocent protesters incarceration.
Only for wandering peacefully around inside the congress building.
What a shame.
What did these people do?
Claim the election was rigged.
Oh what a crime...ay'..
No this is like North Korea.
It would appear you support that activity.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. It doesn't matter what evidence comes up about Trump and now Giuliani they're untouchable.
I asked myself, why bother discussing anything with you?
I'll answer. No more. I'm done with discussions with you because you are exactly like a robot to not accept anything contrary to your programming.
Comment all you want to my blogs... I'll not respond.
It's more for they than for you I say something. To show that even if you guys cook up all "hang him" nonsense there is still a grande amount of us who don't buy into the propaganda. Never will. Cos I see their game. Strange you and Jac and all these uncureable hardcores TDSs can't see what been going on nonstop since 2016.
Anyhows, thanks for the nonsensical blog,
gave us something to chat about.
By your own government.
That you think is clean.
It ain't.
That is why Trump won in 2016.
I have no personal beef with you.
But I think you're dishonest and know it too, deep down.
Jac not so much, she just can't believe it's true.
You however know better but pretend everything is a ok.
Hugs
By your own government.
That you think is clean.
It ain't.
That is why Trump won in 2016.
I have no personal beef with you.
But I think you're dishonest and know it too, deep down.
Jac not so much, she just can't believe it's true.
You however know better but pretend everything is a ok.
Hugs
Please, show me Irrefutable evidence the election was rigged, you do that and I promise to support Trump.
Note:- All elections have small discrepancies, but not enough to change the outcome.
Thanks!
Please, show me Irrefutable evidence the election was rigged, you do that and I promise to support Trump.
Note:- All elections have small discrepancies, but not enough to change the outcome.
but let's just say that to see the light here you need to examen the likelyhood
of the different events. Motives. How currupt it might be.
Problem is the courts are not neutral, properly.
Neither DOJ. Not FBI, so you have a problem.
Supreme courts pulled out long ago.
The latest is the threat of overwhelming billions dollars lawsuits,
as shown here in this blog.
For me it's easy to see how it all went down. It only makes sense to me that after they were after him for 4 years straight with good help of media (who have their own horse in the race) and still couldn't take him down now try any other approach. I think it's a disgrace that one can get sued for trying to bring the truth forward: that the election was stolen, J6 arranged and all in order to remove the "threat of Trump" to the establishmemt.
Try to grasp the bigger picture.
You can do it.
In conclusion- the evidenece does not exist cos somebody took money to keep their mouth shut of what they saw. Or was asked to leave the room, look the other way, keep covid distance etc.
You have no idea of the political pressure that existed nov.2020. But Chat remember.
Riz listen, what I am doing here is telling you the sentiment of millions and millions of Americans. They are not diminished as a group. It's true: Trump created a movement. And I think they are so firm that another election could be won next year. Look out for that. But they...das powerfullen enemy of les people, will try steal it again. It's gonna be ugly i'm afraid, cos this time there is no covid restrictions to hide behind either. Grab your popcorn.
Thanks!
Not billions. Poor Rudy must be in some kind of shock of how far they willing to go.
You're not ashamed of your countrys misuse of power Chat...no?
You wanna pay taxes to this currupt system?
Who allowed it to be billions for a bit of phone harrasment?
but let's just say that to see the light here you need to examen the likelyhood
of the different events. Motives. How currupt it might be.
Problem is the courts are not neutral, properly.
Neither DOJ. Not FBI, so you have a problem.
Supreme courts pulled out long ago.
The latest is the threat of overwhelming billions dollars lawsuits,
as shown here in this blog.
For me it's easy to see how it all went down. It only makes sense to me that after they were after him for 4 years straight with good help of media (who have their own horse in the race) and still couldn't take him down now try any other approach. I think it's a disgrace that one can get sued for trying to bring the truth forward: that the election was stolen, J6 arranged and all in order to remove the "threat of Trump" to the establishmemt.
Try to grasp the bigger picture.
You can do it.
In conclusion- the evidenece does not exist cos somebody took money to keep their mouth shut of what they saw. Or was asked to leave the room, look the other way, keep covid distance etc.
You have no idea of the political pressure that existed nov.2020. But Chat remember.
Riz listen, what I am doing here is telling you the sentiment of millions and millions of Americans. They are not diminished as a group. It's true: Trump created a movement. And I think they are so firm that another election could be won next year. Look out for that. But they...das powerfullen enemy of les people, will try steal it again. It's gonna be ugly i'm afraid, cos this time there is no covid restrictions to hide behind either. Grab your popcorn.
Your choice!
Rudy maligned two women, should I maligne you with no evidence you would be running to the courts for recompense.
Just read the facts and the truth will open your eyes.
He's okay knowing the FBI told the two women their lives were in jeopardy and they weren't safe in their own homes.
He's okay knowing the FBI told the two women their lives were in jeopardy and they weren't safe in their own homes.
With that said, the two deserve some compensation
but not these amounts. Too big.
Has got nothing to do with their suffering.
Now it's about crushing Rudy economically as a warning to others.
You're right Chat, no court or jury
(we abolished juries here, good is that- they know nothing)
can make me change my mind of what went down nov.2020 and 6th of January 2021.
Right.
I wouldn't say "far" more. I would say "barely enough so far," and that is worrisome.
one side is not truthful.
So it's up to each and everyone who to trust.
Can only be one or the other.
He definitely does not have the money to pay the piper...
By your own government.
That you think is clean.
It ain't.
That is why Trump won in 2016.
I have no personal beef with you.
But I think you're dishonest and know it too, deep down.
Jac not so much, she just can't believe it's true.
You however know better but pretend everything is a ok.
Hugs
On many occasions you have made statements about what I believe, what I think, my level of intellience or lack thereof, my level of sense or lack thereof, what I am doing.
I know you are making up these stories because I know what I think, what I believe, etc., and you are invariably incorrect.
I assume you do it to try and make sense of your world.
When you post detailed narratives of what is going on in the world without any explanation of where your ideas come from, I can only assume you are likewise making up stories to make sense of your world.
When I post, I go to some length reading and listening to others whether Democrat, Republican, or other. I sift through all the information, research bits that I don't understand and pull everything together based on research, the law, opinions including my own, etc.
I learn in the process and I hope to provide a reasonably well-rounded, rational, well argued nugget that others may understand and hopefully challenge and/or expand upon.
What I don't do is argue the case for people who pluck stories out of their arse, whatever their agenda. I don't do it because I can't rationalise fantasy in the political genre.
Ok.
You got that off your chest.