Prove to me.... ( Archived) (622)

Mar 25, 2009 2:33 PM CST Prove to me....
krimsa
krimsakrimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 Posts
NeWildflower: I did!

And of course I expect you to respond to me LOL, you can't help yourself!


No you did not. I asked you what the comment meant (if anything) and you kept insisting that I should know. I’m assuming that you were merely implying I’m a "know it all." Well fine. That doesn’t really bother nor surprise me in all honesty. Do you have anything else to say?
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Mar 25, 2009 3:02 PM CST Prove to me....
NeWildflower
NeWildflowerNeWildflowerScottsbluff, Nebraska USA15 Threads 2 Polls 754 Posts
krimsa: No you did not. I asked you what the comment meant (if anything) and you kept insisting that I should know. I’m assuming that you were merely implying I’m a "know it all." Well fine. That doesn’t really bother nor surprise me in all honesty. Do you have anything else to say?


No, I don't think you're a know it all krimsa. Not at all.
I'm not sure which question I didn't answer now.
Sometimes questions get lost in threads or overlooked.
Do you remember which one it was?
You said it was from the other day? That's why I thought I answered it.. I thought it was the question about why I found the bible and God offensive.

If you're simply still asking what I meant by my earlier comment TODAY... about being sooooo on top of it. By that I meant that your continuous answer about not having to prove a negative assertion would be top notch IF the OP was a debate.

So.. what is it?
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Mar 25, 2009 3:08 PM CST Prove to me....
LILLYLADY
LILLYLADYLILLYLADYunknown, Ohio USA27 Threads 1,293 Posts
NeWildflower: I can't help it if you don't get it.




And I care why?


Did I say that? Nope, didn't think so! I LOVE a great discussion!
But don't consider anything that I've seen from you on these forums remotely close to that.
Challenge?
I suspect you would challenge a talking doll if it said something that you didn't like! Just my humble observation!


Ohhhh, sounds like a challenge to Krimsa NeWildflower. Now that is quite an observation.applause For awhile there, I thought I was the only one to notice that about her.confused
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Mar 25, 2009 3:26 PM CST Prove to me....
krimsa
krimsakrimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 Posts
In response to: I'm not sure which question I didn't answer now.


The question from yesterday.

"Why are you so utterly offended by the threads posted by the Atheists on forum when primarily they are using quotes from the bible to make their points?"

This question has been asked at least 7 times and never answered by you.

In response to: IF the OP was a debate.


There is no way not to have a debate in conjunction with the proposed subject matter because

A. Not everyone will agree that a negative premise can be substantiated (as we have already witnessed) and

B. Even if we do get past that (which we never did) not everyone will agree upon the fact that a god exists or to which god we are referring if they do believe in a divine creator. That was also pointed out several times.

If you will notice I went back and began noting everyone that had commented on these issues. It was already up to 4 different people and I had only just started.
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Mar 25, 2009 3:29 PM CST Prove to me....
Shedman01
Shedman01Shedman01Gonzales, Texas USA16 Threads 2 Polls 1,029 Posts
rodolpho: you're a real peace of work aren't you .first you start another religious war here and then you say you don't care
Well I can give you one argument which will prove god exists if you can agree on the definition of god....


I appreciate your posting very much, it made me go back over my original and the follow ups I made and helped me realize I had not clarified one of the ways in which evidence supporting the hypothesis can be identified. So first of all thank you for getting me to go back over my postings! very much appreciate it.

Second to address your posting more specifically, in my original posting I tried to avoid a war and further down on the very first page I posted that I did not care if a person believes in or doesn't believe in...

Shedman01: ......
let us all assume that every posting made to this thread will be directed SOLELY at me, this may help keep folks from arguing among themselves and stick better to the request of the thread, prove to me...


Shedman01: Hi Aries... I am not by any means asking anyone to believe, in fact I have no expectation of that what-so-ever... I merely would like proof that God does not exist. Doesn't matter to me if they believe in something or nothing... But thank you for your posting, I very much appreciate the time taken to let me know your thoughts.


I am sorry I just don't understand how it could be said I started another religious war. dunno



The other clarification that may help to identify evidence for some folks is simply this.

If you are a believer in God, whatever you define God as, have you ever had moments of doubt in your belief that your definition of God exists? If so what caused those moments of doubt? These could in fact be considered as possible evidence to support the threads hypothesis. I would love to hear them IF and ONLY if you are comfortable sharing them.

To be sure of my clear intent, I am not interested in what got you over your doubt, only in what caused it in the first place, if you wish to share how you got over it please feel free to but it simply does not matter to me so you can save your time if you wish by just posting what made you doubt the God you believe in exists/or existed...if you conquered that doubt...

Hopefully that is clear enough and understandable so some others may offer their thoughts that they might not have considered applicable to my thread.

Take care all,
wave
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Mar 25, 2009 3:34 PM CST Prove to me....
krimsa
krimsakrimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 Posts
Also wildflower, if you are going to attempt an answer on that question, please go back to the other thread and I will read/respond there as that will be rude to start up an entirely different topic on this thread. Thanks.
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Mar 25, 2009 3:39 PM CST Prove to me....
Shedman01
Shedman01Shedman01Gonzales, Texas USA16 Threads 2 Polls 1,029 Posts
krimsa: ....
There is no way not to have a debate in conjunction with the proposed subject matter
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WHEW!

I am glad you are able to confirm that my original posting leaves no room for a debate to occur!!

I have been trying and trying to go over and over it to see how in the world it could be misconstrued as a platform for a debate and just could not see how it was possible for people to see it that way instead of what I had tried so hard to make it, which is solely and singularly a point of reference for people to offer me their knowledge on the proposed subject.

So I very much appreciate this affirmation as it will now save me time in trying to figure out how my post had been so misleading. Now I know it was not misleading at all. Thank You! wavecheers
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Mar 25, 2009 3:41 PM CST Prove to me....
jesusgal713
jesusgal713jesusgal713Goldsboro, North Carolina USA1 Threads 4 Posts
druidess6308: Good luck, Jon.

Sorry, since I see and feel God all around me, I can't prove to you that it doesn't exist. And I agree with Hope...you're a brave soul for this one. Bless you...and I hope it stays positive.


Couldn't say it any better than that!!!!applause thumbs up
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Mar 25, 2009 3:42 PM CST Prove to me....
krimsa
krimsakrimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 Posts
Did you catch the word NOT?doh blushing If I worded that in an awkward manner I do apologize. I have no beef with you. You have made some interesting comments. Its these ladies, that are a little bit eh...laugh
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Mar 25, 2009 3:45 PM CST Prove to me....
NeWildflower
NeWildflowerNeWildflowerScottsbluff, Nebraska USA15 Threads 2 Polls 754 Posts
In response to:
"Why are you so utterly offended by the threads posted by the Atheists on forum when primarily they are using quotes from the bible to make their points?"


I told you, I'm not offended by these threads. I find them to be similar to what grade school children do to pick on people they don't like. Anything to get people stirred up. pick. pick. pick.
Because I question something doesn't mean I am offended by it.

And since you brought it up, what IS the atheist point anyway?
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Mar 25, 2009 3:49 PM CST Prove to me....
rodolpho
rodolphorodolphoamsterdam, North Holland Netherlands30 Threads 3,401 Posts
Shedman i was jokin about a war of course,but you could have expected heavy debate cause this subject always does.
We can only prove anything if we agree on the definition of the thing that needs to be proven.Thats my point and especially religious people tend to be very vague about defining god so to speak.
So i was so gracefull to give everybody a definition, now first we have to agree on the definition and then we can start provin it.
I think thats very generous for someone who really doesnt like religion at all.
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Mar 25, 2009 3:57 PM CST Prove to me....
Shedman01
Shedman01Shedman01Gonzales, Texas USA16 Threads 2 Polls 1,029 Posts
krimsa: Did you catch the word NOT?
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Oh yeah I saw that... my excitement made me post unclearly, sorry...

I meant that for a debate you need to have a clearly defined subject. By not having a clearly defined subject the only debate left is to the definition of the subject.

I left no call for defining the subject because I gave no definition at all to the subject it was left to a responders own understanding of the term used.

That leaves no call for debate but rather singular interpritation of the term given to the responder choosing to respond. Hence no room for a debate.

wave
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Mar 25, 2009 4:02 PM CST Prove to me....
Paradox67
Paradox67Paradox67Collegeville, Pennsylvania USA9 Threads 5 Polls 1,170 Posts
Wow... laugh
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Mar 25, 2009 4:06 PM CST Prove to me....
krimsa
krimsakrimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 Posts
Shedman01: Oh yeah I saw that... my excitement made me post unclearly, sorry...

I meant that for a debate you need to have a clearly defined subject. By not having a clearly defined subject the only debate left is to the definition of the subject.

I left no call for defining the subject because I gave no definition at all to the subject it was left to a responders own understanding of the term used.

That leaves no call for debate but rather singular interpritation of the term given to the responder choosing to respond. Hence no room for a debate.


Well I beg to disagree Shed and so do about 30 others...laugh
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Mar 25, 2009 4:11 PM CST Prove to me....
Shedman01
Shedman01Shedman01Gonzales, Texas USA16 Threads 2 Polls 1,029 Posts
rodolpho: ....
We can only prove anything if we agree on the definition of the thing that needs to be proven.
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In most cases I can fully agree with you. But as we all well know finding a singularly accepted term for "God" is impossible to do, it is in-debatable as there is no duality in the subject because there is no singular definition. It is instead an individually assigned definition that is arrived at through an individuals perceived understanding of the world around them in how it relates to the subject of "God".

However, by allowing people to view the term as they themselves understand it you are able to collect general evidence that is usable in multiple definitions given to a single subject.

That is why this kind of search works best when the subject matter itself is left to the individual understanding of the term.

Each person who believes "God" does not exist can then present evidence that they use to support their belief or if they do believe "God" does exist they can present evidence that has made them doubt that belief before.

Through collecting those individual evidences it is possible to find build evidence that counters multiple portions of multiple beliefs without having to post countless hypothesise for each definition that can be applied to "God".

smile
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Mar 25, 2009 4:15 PM CST Prove to me....
Shedman01
Shedman01Shedman01Gonzales, Texas USA16 Threads 2 Polls 1,029 Posts
krimsa: Well I beg to disagree Shed and so do about 30 others...


No worries they don't have to post anything on the matter if they don't wish to. That's the beauty of individualism. cheers
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Mar 25, 2009 4:16 PM CST Prove to me....
rodolpho
rodolphorodolphoamsterdam, North Holland Netherlands30 Threads 3,401 Posts
krimsa: Well I beg to disagree Shed and so do about 30 others...

Shed asks prove to me... there's an undefined subject that's not clear...rolling on the floor laughing
Now I get it shed...

Why did I even bother to make sense me thinks now.I should just make dirty jokes they get me more attention.
peace
peace out.
We can better start doing stand up comedy with these threads.
LMAO
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Mar 25, 2009 4:22 PM CST Prove to me....
krimsa
krimsakrimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 Posts
In response to: Each person who believes "God" does not exist can then present evidence that they use to support their belief or if they do believe "God" does exist they can present evidence that has made them doubt that belief before.


Actually what I started to notice happening was the believers (regardless of who or what they believed in) began presenting evidence for what they understood to be “god”. In which case what they were doing was offering supportive evidence for their positive assertion. Bravo.

The next step there after would be to debate on whether we would legitimize their findings or if they have a plausible explanation based in scientific origination or some other naturally occurring phenomena. I remember when I was a youngster, I witnessed the Northern Light and that to me represented god until I understood about the earth’s magnetic field so on and so forth. I was ten and lacked that level of sophistication.
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Mar 25, 2009 4:25 PM CST Prove to me....
krimsa
krimsakrimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 Posts
Shedman01: No worries they don't have to post anything on the matter if they don't wish to. That's the beauty of individualism.


I was referring to everyone that DID post about the issue of your requesting an argument from ignorance. conversing
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Mar 25, 2009 4:42 PM CST Prove to me....
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
krimsa: I was referring to everyone that DID post about the issue of your requesting an argument from ignorance.


Take a look at this lot Krimsa and its reputedly just a small cross section of the fragmented whole who cant agree the basics even amongst themselves..........

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