Prove to me.... (622)
Shedman01: Krimsa, I am not posting a debate, if you want one post one, this is not one. Sorry, it just isn't.
Then what is it? What do you want? Do you want us all just to magically agree that there either is or is not a god? That won’t happen. Whether you are requesting that we substantiate a negative (impossible) or that we supply evidence for a positive assertion, it is STILL a debate. Right now you are experiencing the backlash of requiring that we "debate" in an illogical format. That was your own doing.
You can drop the logical fallacy premise and proceed.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Hi guys I pretty much read thread though ,but did get bored with it around the last three pages and started skimming though. I am not going to try to prove there is a "GOD" nor prove there is not a "GOD" but only offer an idea. Lets say that "GOD is real,but I do not belive, when I die and thier is a "GOD" then I have lost. If I do belive in "GOD" and I die and find nothing at all, I have lost nothing at all. So Altho I do believe that all things renew themselves, this does not mean I do not belive in a "GOD". I play the odds and the odds say go with beliveing cause if your wrong are you not going to lose the lotto.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Shedman01: Indeed and if that is the stance you hold then by all means feel free to provide evidence to the other option, that of omnipresence... There are not multiple definitions for that to my knowledge. Existence in all places at all times, is the basic acceptance of omnipresence, so simply show evidence that supports it is impossible or does not exist.
I still can not believe this is so difficult, I really expected much more as I have gotten a great deal in many times past asking this same question, including some from a minister of the Seventh Day Adventist Church (a rather strict religion), and members of a few other churches as well as college professors. I am sorry I simply do not see the trouble that folks are having with providing evidences to the non-existence of God, but I have left the other option open which in turn provides for many of the definitions applied to God from various cultures and religions, that God is omnipresent.
Off to bed for me, hopefully if people have no evidence to offer they will then just let this fall I guess as the debate of debate is simply wasting to much of everyone's time and is something I apparently can not get people to move away from on this site.
take care all, back in a few hours,
I still can not believe this is so difficult, I really expected much more as I have gotten a great deal in many times past asking this same question, including some from a minister of the Seventh Day Adventist Church (a rather strict religion), and members of a few other churches as well as college professors. I am sorry I simply do not see the trouble that folks are having with providing evidences to the non-existence of God, but I have left the other option open which in turn provides for many of the definitions applied to God from various cultures and religions, that God is omnipresent.
Off to bed for me, hopefully if people have no evidence to offer they will then just let this fall I guess as the debate of debate is simply wasting to much of everyone's time and is something I apparently can not get people to move away from on this site.
take care all, back in a few hours,
Hmmm. Omni-presence. Take the laws of conservation of energy, add the three laws of thermondynamics, and you have energy in every corner of the universe. Omnipresence. Not omni-consciousness, simply that energy is EVERYTHING. It doesn't make it sentient, simply EVERYWHERE.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Shedman01: not when the only thing being dabted is the debate process... and this has not been presented as a debate from the very beginning it called for a singular perspective of evidence in the proof that God does not exist, not a debate on the issue, only evidence supporting one side of an issue, there is no debate in that.
hiya Buzzy
hiya Buzzy
You knew this would turn into a debate as do all political and religious topics. How you doing this fine day?
------ This thread is Archived ------
Pascal's Wager isn't sufficient. It proposes an assertion of moral cowardice, and ethical relativism based on the fear of a phenomenon that remains unproven. I'm afraid of the wrath of a magic pink unicorn, therefore I will believe in magic pink unicorns or they will stab me with their invisible horn.
jessejess47: Hi guys I pretty much read thread though ,but did get bored with it around the last three pages and started skimming though. I am not going to try to prove there is a "GOD" nor prove there is not a "GOD" but only offer an idea. Lets say that "GOD is real,but I do not belive, when I die and thier is a "GOD" then I have lost. If I do belive in "GOD" and I die and find nothing at all, I have lost nothing at all. So Altho I do believe that all things renew themselves, this does not mean I do not belive in a "GOD". I play the odds and the odds say go with beliveing cause if your wrong are you not going to lose the lotto.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Galactic_bodhi: Pascal's Wager isn't sufficient. It proposes an assertion of moral cowardice, and ethical relativism based on the fear of a phenomenon that remains unproven. I'm afraid of the wrath of a magic pink unicorn, therefore I will believe in magic pink unicorns or they will stab me with their invisible horn.
ok go with it
------ This thread is Archived ------
There is being asked that there be a discussion to talk among
atheists, alone --not a debate--mind you, a discussion to prove
that God does not exist. Give unquestionable proof that God
does not exist.
Just come up with the proof. No debate.
What I am observing, so far, is that the concept of 'no God'
is so set in in the mind of the atheist that it can't be done.
-and yet, most anyone, atheist or believer with a positive outlook
will say, "Anything is possible."
atheists, alone --not a debate--mind you, a discussion to prove
that God does not exist. Give unquestionable proof that God
does not exist.
Just come up with the proof. No debate.
What I am observing, so far, is that the concept of 'no God'
is so set in in the mind of the atheist that it can't be done.
-and yet, most anyone, atheist or believer with a positive outlook
will say, "Anything is possible."
------ This thread is Archived ------
Dusty45: There is being asked that there be a discussion to talk among
atheists, alone --not a debate--mind you, a discussion to prove
that God does not exist. Give unquestionable proof that God
does not exist.
Just come up with the proof. No debate.
What I am observing, so far, is that the concept of 'no God'
is so set in in the mind of the atheist that it can't be done.
-and yet, most anyone, atheist or believer with a positive outlook
will say, "Anything is possible."
atheists, alone --not a debate--mind you, a discussion to prove
that God does not exist. Give unquestionable proof that God
does not exist.
Just come up with the proof. No debate.
What I am observing, so far, is that the concept of 'no God'
is so set in in the mind of the atheist that it can't be done.
-and yet, most anyone, atheist or believer with a positive outlook
will say, "Anything is possible."
I’m not sure how much of this thread you have read/comprehended? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you didn’t read it and are jumping to conclusions. One can not substantiate a "negative assertion." In other words, the burden of proof does not fall upon the Atheist to substantiate the non-existence of god, the tooth fairy, or even the Chupacabre. This responsibility falls upon the person making the positive assertion, i.e. those claiming the existence of some kind of grand creatrix.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Otherwise I could say, well I cant see god. Okay I have substantiated my negative assertion. 
------ This thread is Archived ------
krimsa: I’m not sure how much of this thread you have read/comprehended? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you didn’t read it and are jumping to conclusions. One can not substantiate a "negative assertion." In other words, the burden of proof does not fall upon the Atheist to substantiate the non-existence of god, the tooth fairy, or even the Chupacabre. This responsibility falls upon the person making the positive assertion, i.e. those claiming the existence of some kind of grand creatrix.
Why do you have to be so condescending? You told me yesterday that you don't think of yourself as any smarter than anyone else, but obviously you feel you are somehow superior. Let's take the condescension down a notch shall we? Still assuming here I see.
------ This thread is Archived ------
jessejess47: finily we agree on something
I knew it would eventually happen! LOL!------ This thread is Archived ------
NeWildflower: Why do you have to be so condescending? You told me yesterday that you don't think of yourself as any smarter than anyone else, but obviously you feel you are somehow superior. Let's take the condescension down a notch shall we? Still assuming here I see.
Disty was the person that we pointed out the "Are there Atheists on Uranus" thread to by the way...
------ This thread is Archived ------
krimsa: You were actually answered more than once yeterday by Crotalus, Tish and I.
So, what's your point? Did I say I wasn't answered?
It certainly wasn't BEFORE you took a condescending tone with me and told me where I should go was it?
------ This thread is Archived ------
NeWildflower: Why do you have to be so condescending? You told me yesterday that you don't think of yourself as any smarter than anyone else, but obviously you feel you are somehow superior. Let's take the condescension down a notch shall we? Still assuming here I see.
This is the very reason I usually stay away from religious threads. Everyone is just peachy keen until you start talking religion then it's all condescending from there.
------ This thread is Archived ------
krimsa: Disty was the person that we pointed out the "Are there Atheists on Uranus" thread to by the way...
Is that THIS thread? No, it's not. What she said here was valid and I agree with her.
Dusty, what is being alluded to here is that I said I didn't "get" the atheists on uranus thread yeserday when it was pointed out as an example of how Christians pick on Atheists on these forums. Just so we're clear.
------ This thread is Archived ------
krimsa: Disty was the person that we pointed out the "Are there Atheists on Uranus" thread to by the way...
You could have just answered yes or no.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Dusty45: You could have just answered yes or no.
LOL< today I am starting to realize what frustration can cause one to post! I'm seeing much more clearly here...
------ This thread is Archived ------
NeWildflower: So, what's your point? Did I say I wasn't answered?
It certainly wasn't BEFORE you took a condescending tone with me and told me where I should go was it?
It certainly wasn't BEFORE you took a condescending tone with me and told me where I should go was it?
I asked you why you were so offended by the bible to which you never answered...The point that was made was that you constantly complain that the Atheists are somehow "attacking" or "stirring the pot" yet 9/10 we begin our threads using passages from the bible! So how is the discussion of god or the bible offensive to you? I will await your answer with baited breath since you failed to give me one yesterday on the afore mentioned thread.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Dusty45: You could have just answered yes or no.
Well just wanted to point out the actual character of the person being addressed...its painfully obvious.
------ This thread is Archived ------
This Thread is Archived
This Thread is archived, so you will no longer be able to post to it. Threads get archived automatically when they are older than 3 months.
« Go back to All Threads
« Go back to All Threads
More Threads
Thinking out loud #3
Your Mental Health
Wondering
New here. Single Guy from Grand Rapids, MI.
Name A Book In The Bible That Begins With The First Letter Of Your Name
A question
"Emotions at the Crossroads"
the death nail for dating websites
a question
What Clothes Do You Feel Comfortable Wearing?
More Threads
Report threads that break rules, are offensive, or contain fighting. Staff may not be aware of the forum abuse, and cannot do anything about it unless you tell us about it. click to report forum abuse »
If one of the comments is offensive, please report the comment instead (there is a link in each comment to report it).
If one of the comments is offensive, please report the comment instead (there is a link in each comment to report it).
That is something that can be logically debated and argued.
Krimsa, I am not posting a debate, if you want one post one, this is not one. Sorry, it just isn't.