Prove to me.... (622)
Shed, no. It's not an insult. Its a style of argument.
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krimsa: Shed, no. It's not an insult. Its a style of argument.
I know what it is Krimsa. But thank you for posting the link, maybe it will help others understand why it doesn't offend me.
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I wasn’t sure based on parts of your response. I was not calling you ignorant. That’s just the name of the argumentation style. It’s a logical fallacy essentially. Another person became upset yesterday because they thought another member was calling them "ignorant" so I didn’t want a re-hash.
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I consider to believe or not to believe through a THOUGHT system.
A Thought Sytem that is chosen in the 'Now' -each moment.
The way I know that I'm in one thought system or the other is
by the way I feel in this chosen Thought System. That is, if my thought
and/or behavior is being helpful or being destructive.
I believe in:... God when I am doing Good things and being Loving.
Therefore I manifest good and loving surroundings.
I believe that God is omnipresent.
I believe there is the illusion of...sin/Ego/anti-Christ/devil/hell when I am
being hurtful, in conflict, destructive, jealous, judgmental, argumentive, etc...
Therefore I manifest/make conflict, hate, hurt, sickness, lack,separateness,
wars, and death. (all general examples)
I believe that God is omnipresent and gave us Cause and Effect/FreeWill,
the ability to manifest/make things.
Therefore the choices we make show up in our surroundings and body.
But only God causes Creation/Miracles we see all the time but not notice
always.
I gave up God when I was in my 20's, for a while. I said God was dead.
I ended up 'feeeling dead' myself. Empty.
There seemed to become an evolutionary change in my Thought System as
a few years went by and almost without awareness I realized there are
the Two Thought Systems I choose from in every moment.
I do believe that God is with us in an eternal sense. This Power is energy,
information and Love. We don't always include the Love in our manifestions.
Our manifestions may side on the energy of Ego,etc.
Do I believe in God, Yes.
Do I believe that God does not have to exist for those who refuse or don't
want to acknowledge a God? Only within the particular
Thought System that is chosen.
Within my parameters--I like to choose the God--Energy, information, Love.
But, then, I let the Ego get the best of me, sometimes.
The other thought system, Ego, etc. is the illusion.
The God I understand represents Creation of Good.
A Thought Sytem that is chosen in the 'Now' -each moment.
The way I know that I'm in one thought system or the other is
by the way I feel in this chosen Thought System. That is, if my thought
and/or behavior is being helpful or being destructive.
I believe in:... God when I am doing Good things and being Loving.
Therefore I manifest good and loving surroundings.
I believe that God is omnipresent.
I believe there is the illusion of...sin/Ego/anti-Christ/devil/hell when I am
being hurtful, in conflict, destructive, jealous, judgmental, argumentive, etc...
Therefore I manifest/make conflict, hate, hurt, sickness, lack,separateness,
wars, and death. (all general examples)
I believe that God is omnipresent and gave us Cause and Effect/FreeWill,
the ability to manifest/make things.
Therefore the choices we make show up in our surroundings and body.
But only God causes Creation/Miracles we see all the time but not notice
always.
I gave up God when I was in my 20's, for a while. I said God was dead.
I ended up 'feeeling dead' myself. Empty.
There seemed to become an evolutionary change in my Thought System as
a few years went by and almost without awareness I realized there are
the Two Thought Systems I choose from in every moment.
I do believe that God is with us in an eternal sense. This Power is energy,
information and Love. We don't always include the Love in our manifestions.
Our manifestions may side on the energy of Ego,etc.
Do I believe in God, Yes.
Do I believe that God does not have to exist for those who refuse or don't
want to acknowledge a God? Only within the particular
Thought System that is chosen.
Within my parameters--I like to choose the God--Energy, information, Love.
But, then, I let the Ego get the best of me, sometimes.
The other thought system, Ego, etc. is the illusion.
The God I understand represents Creation of Good.
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Dusty45: .....
Within my parameters--I like to choose the God--Energy, information, Love.
But, then, I let the Ego get the best of me, sometimes.
The other thought system, Ego, etc. is the illusion.
The God I understand represents Creation of Good.
Within my parameters--I like to choose the God--Energy, information, Love.
But, then, I let the Ego get the best of me, sometimes.
The other thought system, Ego, etc. is the illusion.
The God I understand represents Creation of Good.
Sounds intriguing Dusty, thanks for sharing that. Can't really find an evidence for the thread topic, but might be sending you an e-mail with my messenger so we could chat about this sometime. It might have something for one of my other collections I have going. Thanks again for the time spent to share it!
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In response to: I'm not enraged at you. Sorry I come across that way.
I’m also not mad at you. Please don’t take any of this personally.
In response to: It's perhaps my sheer inability to understand your approach to the people of this forum.
Well I felt like we did a pretty good job of trying to explain this on the Dawkins thread to you. If you still don’t understand all I can say is take it back to that thread and I will read/respond as it’s rude to take this one over for an argument. I don’t consider this debate and is becoming tedious.
In response to: Picking at people for what they believe isn't going to solve anything. But that's just my opinion.
Dully noted. Let’s drop this now as we will get banned for arguing if someone complains. Peace.
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woody636: Keep asking the question, "and where did that come from." Eventually you get to the point of "something from nothing." Jmo.
Or...some thing, from no thing?!
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galaxy15: Or...some thing, from no thing?!
It's turtles all the way down young man.
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MikeHD: If you could replace Christianity with something, anything, what would it be?
Think about it.
Think about it.
Just about every belief that civilization has adopted. All peoples have the golden rule as the core belief. Civilizations that never had contact with outside societies had the same core values. It's the idiosyncrasies that differed.
It's the psyche of man which I believe is brought about by divine inspiration or design from a higher being.
So, the God of Carrots, the God of Parties, the God of War or Peace. Lots of Gods that can do the same thing however, Christianity is a great one. In fact, if one were to invent a religion, at the time Christianity evolved, it would have ended with Jesus coming down from the cross and killing all the Romans with lightning bolts from his eyes rather than suffering as he did.
Thus is my reason for believing. All other religions proclaim their power yet Christianity defies it and even praises those who bless their enemies. Something that no other religion does. In short, it was so real that those who adopted it at the time did so by forsaking beliefs that could make them rich, powerful and victorious in battle.
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MikeHD: By the way, nice tactic picking out a single topic and dancing around the main points of my post.
There are SEVERAL Mosaic laws. Okay lets use the one you brought up. Should adulterers be stoned to death?
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Galactic_bodhi: I would replace it with Buddhism. Buddhism doesn't concern itself with deities, rather it focuses on personal responsibility and dependant origination. There is evil sufficient unto each day.
While I also have certain minor problems with Buddhism and the Buddhas, is nothing on par with Christianity.
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I need to go to the loo
Is that the great man above calling?
Is that the great man above calling?
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Shedmans next topic is gonna be:
Prove to me Unidentified Flying Objects don't exist.
Prove to me Unidentified Flying Objects don't exist.
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In response to: According to the bible, they never had to stone anyone, right?
So you are implying here that since they never detailed the gory physical act of stoning in the bible, it never occurred? We know from a cultural anthropological standpoint that stoning was a very routine punishment. In fact, to this day, it can be utilized.
In response to: And if stoning one woman would save hundreds, thousands, or even millions or people, would you still be against it?
How would stoning a young woman save millions? It seems to me that she would be used as an example for the rest. Take the word of god seriously or you are next.
In response to: Are you talking about stoning an innocent woman?
Yes.
In response to: He gave us the standard to show us how short we would always be.
Actually he gave these laws to Moses.
In response to: That way our eyes would be opened, and we would be able to see how much He loved us when He sent His son.
So he had to depict what a vicious, bloodthirsty tyrant he was and THEN send his son who essentially went against his own father's law and died for it.
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What is to be gained by constantly dredging up the past?
Doesn't it make sense (to have sanity), to do the next right
thing in this present moment?
Insanity is trying to continually try to change the past. No
matter how many times we go over it, it still is gone.
Relax and quietly let some awarenesses surface.
A gentle suggestion: Let it go.
Doesn't it make sense (to have sanity), to do the next right
thing in this present moment?
Insanity is trying to continually try to change the past. No
matter how many times we go over it, it still is gone.
Relax and quietly let some awarenesses surface.
A gentle suggestion: Let it go.
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I was responding to MikeHD who brought it up initially...
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krimsa: So you are implying here that since they never detailed the gory physical act of stoning in the bible, it never occurred? We know from a cultural anthropological standpoint that stoning was a very routine punishment. In fact, to this day, it can be utilized.
How would stoning a young woman save millions? It seems to me that she would be used as an example for the rest. Take the word of god seriously or you are next.
Yes.
Actually he gave these laws to Moses.
So he had to depict what a vicious, bloodthirsty tyrant he was and THEN send his son who essentially went against his own father's law and died for it.
How would stoning a young woman save millions? It seems to me that she would be used as an example for the rest. Take the word of god seriously or you are next.
Yes.
Actually he gave these laws to Moses.
So he had to depict what a vicious, bloodthirsty tyrant he was and THEN send his son who essentially went against his own father's law and died for it.
A bloodthirsty tyrant who came down, spilled His own blood, and die for us? I am not sure if I am following. Unless you are doing the usual trick of sticking only to points that support your assertions and not the whole picture.
If you were to look at an Olympic athlete standing on the podium with his gold metal, and ask him to describe his coach, he would have nothing but glowing praise for him. But if you asked the athlete after the first of second week of practice with that coach, I think you would get a very different response. We have such a habit of only seeing two feet in front of our noses. We are self-centered and refuse to see a possible future good. In the beginning, God’s plan seemed very hard, just like the start of the athlete’s road to the Olympics. But in the end, the gold metal is nothing compared to the reward God has prepared for us. A world, where the lion and the lamb lay down together. A world that is absolutely safe for children. It is impossible to have it here because of the sinfulness of man, but it will be possible because of God’s perfect plan. He calls all of us to come and live there with Him, but only a few will accept His invitation.
Just in case you don’t know it, I do know the mystery of heaven and I will tell it to you if you like. When you know the mystery of heaven, everything else starts to make sense.
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In response to: A bloodthirsty tyrant who came down, spilled His own blood, and die for us?
Did you read my post? I said Yahweh. Then in summation, I rebutted your argument by stating that god allegedly sent his OWN son as a blood sacrifice.
In response to: I am not sure if I am following.
If you don’t understand anything I have stated, please ask and I will clarify. So far, it’s been fairly straight forward however.
In response to: If you were to look at an Olympic athlete standing on the podium with his gold metal, and ask him to describe his coach, he would have nothing but glowing praise for him. But if you asked the athlete after the first of second week of practice with that coach, I think you would get a very different response.
That's a very spatial analogy at best and does not address the Mosaic Law and stoning women and children to death at all.
In response to: We have such a habit of only seeing two feet in front of our noses.
I am quoting direct passages from the bible? Are you claiming that the Mosaic Law does not exist now?
In response to: But in the end, the gold metal is nothing compared to the reward God has prepared for us.
You might want to try explaining that to all of the men, women and children that were stoned to death under god's law.
In response to: A world that is absolutely safe for children.
Except those children that took the lord's name in vain and were commanded to be stoned to death by god's law. Remember, I’m only stoning you to death because I love you so.
In response to: He calls all of us to come and live there with Him, but only a few will accept His invitation.
I want nothing to do with him (or Christianity) because it is immoral and is supported by a hateful premise.
In response to: Just in case you don’t know it, I do know the mystery of heaven and I will tell it to you if you like. When you know the mystery of heaven, everything else starts to make sense.
Are you telling me you are a prophet Mike?
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I am not sorry that I do not see my request as an argument from ignorance as you do and several others have, I just don't know how else to explain that it is not an argument at all. :shrug: and again if they see it as an argument of any sort they do not have to post in it, which again is the beauty of individualism.
There have been a few that have shared their thoughts on the matter and that data has increased the over all data I have collected over the years and added weight to the hypothesis given. So it has been beneficial to me which is all it was meant to be.
Sure I hope those who have shared that beneficial evidence with me thus far found it at least interesting to themselves, but again that is for them to determine. :shrug:
Your view on this threads validity has no bearing on the benefit it has provided to me, so I just don't understand why it is something that is so important to establish? Yet I have tried to explain my method and what it is doing for me in spite of the claims being made that it is invalid or ignorant, which by the way may be seen by some people as others calling me ignorant in a round about way, and so they may take offense to that causing defensive posturing... But anyway...
The question then becomes... Invalid or ignorant to who? What does it matter to me if others find my request as invalid or ignorant? Why should I alter what has been, and remains to be, valid and functional to me, based on what someone else says is invalid or ignorant to them? It has given me a little of what I hoped it would. The very fact that it has provided me with some evidence that it asked for validates it, and grants it a level of functionality that to me raises it above ignorance. I sure would not wish those who responded to think they were ignorant for doing so because what they gave me was worth something to me. :shrug: So I ask you this... Where is the argument in that?