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StressFree: I never said everybody Krimsa, I said the majority...you are not reading my posts. Majority=narrow minded.
The scientists-doctors, like the law, has become a "god", who is given free reign to pontificate about the great questions because he is a scientist/doctor and therefore should know. Modern scientists/doctors are mostly unaware when it comest to understanding the nature of life and existence, and yet they arrogantly insist that only they know best. What's worse and even funny is that anyone inside or outside of their closed order who questions their norms is subjected to hate campaigns of ridicule and defamatory statements. Virtually every major scientific/medical breakthrough, was first greeted with laughter, anger, or denial, by the "scientists" of the day. Science is a fascist club in which all members must stay in line or have their funding and reputation destroyed.
The exception to this would be quantum/string scientists-theorists and alternative healers-doctors.
We never really "die". Our bodies die, but our energy/consciousness never dies and transits to another existence similar to the one now, someplace on a higher or lower plane of existence depending on what kind of energy your body is filled with and then in turn it is attracted to a place with similar energy (maybe karma)...kinda like in a fractal sense.. infinitely complex.
The scientists-doctors, like the law, has become a "god", who is given free reign to pontificate about the great questions because he is a scientist/doctor and therefore should know. Modern scientists/doctors are mostly unaware when it comest to understanding the nature of life and existence, and yet they arrogantly insist that only they know best. What's worse and even funny is that anyone inside or outside of their closed order who questions their norms is subjected to hate campaigns of ridicule and defamatory statements. Virtually every major scientific/medical breakthrough, was first greeted with laughter, anger, or denial, by the "scientists" of the day. Science is a fascist club in which all members must stay in line or have their funding and reputation destroyed.
The exception to this would be quantum/string scientists-theorists and alternative healers-doctors.
We never really "die". Our bodies die, but our energy/consciousness never dies and transits to another existence similar to the one now, someplace on a higher or lower plane of existence depending on what kind of energy your body is filled with and then in turn it is attracted to a place with similar energy (maybe karma)...kinda like in a fractal sense.. infinitely complex.
AS per Hindu thought The finite part of our body is bound to be transformed to something else .It cannot exist always . with the death our material and finite body cease to exist .where are the infinte element in our body transmigrate to some other existance .Its a circle of karma .Both the infinte and finite are the part of the Sytem called God
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MikeHD: A child needs to be taught to share.
A child needs to be taught to say "thank you".
But children do not have to be taught to be selfish, to be ungreatful, or to lie. Parents might help fine tune that behavior, but it come naturally doesn't it?And if so, it the child really innocent? I am not talking about how we hold the child accountable, that depends on age and maturity. But without regards to age, in a court of law, would the child be found guilty or innocent?
A child needs to be taught to say "thank you".
But children do not have to be taught to be selfish, to be ungreatful, or to lie. Parents might help fine tune that behavior, but it come naturally doesn't it?And if so, it the child really innocent? I am not talking about how we hold the child accountable, that depends on age and maturity. But without regards to age, in a court of law, would the child be found guilty or innocent?
Helllooo I was talkin bout bein born here.Not growin up in ur hands mikey hahahahah
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rodolpho: Helllooo I was talkin bout bein born here.Not growin up in ur hands mikey hahahahah sorry had to crack this one
Do you get the conception of the idea of a being being born being innocent or what.I'm not talkin growin up of course.Thought that was obvious.
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MikeHD: A child needs to be taught to share.
A child needs to be taught to say "thank you".
But children do not have to be taught to be selfish, to be ungreatful, or to lie. Parents might help fine tune that behavior, but it come naturally doesn't it?And if so, it the child really innocent? I am not talking about how we hold the child accountable, that depends on age and maturity. But without regards to age, in a court of law, would the child be found guilty or innocent?
A child needs to be taught to say "thank you".
But children do not have to be taught to be selfish, to be ungreatful, or to lie. Parents might help fine tune that behavior, but it come naturally doesn't it?And if so, it the child really innocent? I am not talking about how we hold the child accountable, that depends on age and maturity. But without regards to age, in a court of law, would the child be found guilty or innocent?
We are born as sinners (those who live a life separated from God). To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
If the soul of man were present with or a part of God, before being birthed into a body, it had at one time not been separated from God. As we go through life, attempts are made to reunite the soul with God the Spirit. Thus, the Christian belief of being "born again" to receive the salvation of the soul. The soul is being returned into God's presence, even though it is contained in a body for a time. The goal would be to grow into and attain that Unity with God, preparing for a future no longer contained in the body, but united with God in Spirit, in whatever spiritual realm is His reality.
We are talking 2 separate planes here which somehow intersect.
Visable and Invisable. How can there be proof of the invisable substantiated by a finite scientific mindset? It can not be. If perception is reality, some are bound by the barriers they have formed in their minds. This does not mean they are correct in their perception. But it is their reality.
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Shedman01:
We assume we are born into the world with but curiosity and questions, key here is we "believe this to be true" It is then that those who have lived in the world provide their "beliefs" of what their experiences and others have made them to be.
Your argument is good but it contains holes in this sense.
For many generations the world was "believed" to be flat, everyone "believed" this to be true, it took but a few people who went against the "belief" of the masses to prove it was in fact not flat but round. This is but one example of "belief" When we are born we do not "believe" anything, beyond what our primary senses tell us is real to our own perception of our own reality.
As we grow we alter and change those perceptions based on our experiences and the "beliefs" of those who shared their experiences and "beliefs" with us through our lives.
Sometimes we counter the beliefs we adopted because of new things we find. For example and to show why your argument does not sway me from looking for proof of the non-existence of God... Some who began as "believing" in God (since they never doubted until much later) now in fact can only be seen as changing their "belief" to one that God does not exist, which in turn does make it a belief.
We assume we are born into the world with but curiosity and questions, key here is we "believe this to be true" It is then that those who have lived in the world provide their "beliefs" of what their experiences and others have made them to be.
Your argument is good but it contains holes in this sense.
For many generations the world was "believed" to be flat, everyone "believed" this to be true, it took but a few people who went against the "belief" of the masses to prove it was in fact not flat but round. This is but one example of "belief" When we are born we do not "believe" anything, beyond what our primary senses tell us is real to our own perception of our own reality.
As we grow we alter and change those perceptions based on our experiences and the "beliefs" of those who shared their experiences and "beliefs" with us through our lives.
Sometimes we counter the beliefs we adopted because of new things we find. For example and to show why your argument does not sway me from looking for proof of the non-existence of God... Some who began as "believing" in God (since they never doubted until much later) now in fact can only be seen as changing their "belief" to one that God does not exist, which in turn does make it a belief.
Hey Shedman. You are a cool headed dude and I like how you discuss things here...makes it a lot easier.
Anyways, my observation is that all of the world's beliefs/dogmas are waiting for you when you come into this world. Your parents (the majority of them) have already decided if you are going to believe in God and which religion you shall adhere to. Most children don't have a choice. So basically they are adopting their parents beliefs/dogmas as kids.
However, a lot of kids (like myself) grow up not feeling comfortable with these dogmas. So they seek elsewhere, and tune into what feels comfortable and reasonable with their feelings of thoughts. It may be a religion, a political stance, and becoming agnostic-atheist.
A belief in oneself as opposed to a belief in a God is in fact a belief. Instead of looking to God for help or answers, we turn to ourselves from within for help and answers. If we believe in ourselves, then we can do life on our own and without some outside source like a God or religion. Our unconscious has all the answers, and our unconscious is connected to the universal consciousness on all levels. We are part of this energy. Apparently this universal-quantum energy is what you would call a God.
It's a new age-new belief my friend, and we are in the infancy stage of it. This is no lie, but pure truth. There is a spiritual evolution going on, and by the day, people are breaking away from their dogmatic religions and beliefs. More and more Atheists/Agnostics are turning up by the day. Just compare today with 100 years ago...and it's not a bad thing.
Consider Bhagwan Rajneesh and his philosophical teachings, he concluded that his popularity derived from the fact that he did hot follow any strict dogmas or methods, but had a gathered spirituality from all spiritualities...like this new age (or return to ancient world/occult) concept.
Supposedly, this will be the new belief and new world according to Mayan prophecies, Astrology, and Numerology...and even the NT in Revelations (21-22) discusses this...a new earth.
Everybody will carry their own belief, and everybody will respect each other's belief/spirituality in a non-dogmatic way.
But this is a bit in the future.
So in a nutshell, the God you imagine does not exist. But something we don't understand which is of a higher consciousness and existence does. But it's no dude with a joystick controlling anything. We are doing the controlling with our actions and choices which manifests one of an infinite number of destinies that is part of our individual and collective journey's.
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StressFree: Hey Shedman. You are a cool headed dude and I like how you discuss things here...makes it a lot easier.
Anyways, my observation is that all of the world's beliefs/dogmas are waiting for you when you come into this world. Your parents (the majority of them) have already decided if you are going to believe in God and which religion you shall adhere to. Most children don't have a choice. So basically they are adopting their parents beliefs/dogmas as kids.
However, a lot of kids (like myself) grow up not feeling comfortable with these dogmas. So they seek elsewhere, and tune into what feels comfortable and reasonable with their feelings of thoughts. It may be a religion, a political stance, and becoming agnostic-atheist.
A belief in oneself as opposed to a belief in a God is in fact a belief. Instead of looking to God for help or answers, we turn to ourselves from within for help and answers. If we believe in ourselves, then we can do life on our own and without some outside source like a God or religion. Our unconscious has all the answers, and our unconscious is connected to the universal consciousness on all levels. We are part of this energy. Apparently this universal-quantum energy is what you would call a God.
It's a new age-new belief my friend, and we are in the infancy stage of it. This is no lie, but pure truth. There is a spiritual evolution going on, and by the day, people are breaking away from their dogmatic religions and beliefs. More and more Atheists/Agnostics are turning up by the day. Just compare today with 100 years ago...and it's not a bad thing.
Consider Bhagwan Rajneesh and his philosophical teachings, he concluded that his popularity derived from the fact that he did hot follow any strict dogmas or methods, but had a gathered spirituality from all spiritualities...like this new age (or return to ancient world/occult) concept.
Supposedly, this will be the new belief and new world according to Mayan prophecies, Astrology, and Numerology...and even the NT in Revelations (21-22) discusses this...a new earth.
Everybody will carry their own belief, and everybody will respect each other's belief/spirituality in a non-dogmatic way.
But this is a bit in the future.
So in a nutshell, the God you imagine does not exist. But something we don't understand which is of a higher consciousness and existence does. But it's no dude with a joystick controlling anything. We are doing the controlling with our actions and choices which manifests one of an infinite number of destinies that is part of our individual and collective journey's.
Anyways, my observation is that all of the world's beliefs/dogmas are waiting for you when you come into this world. Your parents (the majority of them) have already decided if you are going to believe in God and which religion you shall adhere to. Most children don't have a choice. So basically they are adopting their parents beliefs/dogmas as kids.
However, a lot of kids (like myself) grow up not feeling comfortable with these dogmas. So they seek elsewhere, and tune into what feels comfortable and reasonable with their feelings of thoughts. It may be a religion, a political stance, and becoming agnostic-atheist.
A belief in oneself as opposed to a belief in a God is in fact a belief. Instead of looking to God for help or answers, we turn to ourselves from within for help and answers. If we believe in ourselves, then we can do life on our own and without some outside source like a God or religion. Our unconscious has all the answers, and our unconscious is connected to the universal consciousness on all levels. We are part of this energy. Apparently this universal-quantum energy is what you would call a God.
It's a new age-new belief my friend, and we are in the infancy stage of it. This is no lie, but pure truth. There is a spiritual evolution going on, and by the day, people are breaking away from their dogmatic religions and beliefs. More and more Atheists/Agnostics are turning up by the day. Just compare today with 100 years ago...and it's not a bad thing.
Consider Bhagwan Rajneesh and his philosophical teachings, he concluded that his popularity derived from the fact that he did hot follow any strict dogmas or methods, but had a gathered spirituality from all spiritualities...like this new age (or return to ancient world/occult) concept.
Supposedly, this will be the new belief and new world according to Mayan prophecies, Astrology, and Numerology...and even the NT in Revelations (21-22) discusses this...a new earth.
Everybody will carry their own belief, and everybody will respect each other's belief/spirituality in a non-dogmatic way.
But this is a bit in the future.
So in a nutshell, the God you imagine does not exist. But something we don't understand which is of a higher consciousness and existence does. But it's no dude with a joystick controlling anything. We are doing the controlling with our actions and choices which manifests one of an infinite number of destinies that is part of our individual and collective journey's.
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Ambrose2007: If he gives the ants certain characteristics (such as being undetectable by any conceivable or practical means), then I will never be able to prove the negative: No ants exist in my room. It's this kind of logic-situation that inclines people to the belief that one cannot prove a negative.
Those kind of characteristics will make positive prooving impossible as well.
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We are born sinners,that doesnt sound like HEALTHYLIVING
I dunno but it just sounds more funny to me with the minute.
respect to shedman ,my question was for him he told me not to
others.I'll leave all to their vices and say Bollywood made the most sense as a believer to me
peace out
I dunno but it just sounds more funny to me with the minute.
respect to shedman ,my question was for him he told me not to
others.I'll leave all to their vices and say Bollywood made the most sense as a believer to mepeace out
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krimsa: I am not expending any effort on a personal basis. Many of us have simply explained why you can not expect the "non-believer" assuming you are referring to the god of Abraham, to substantiate his alleged non-existence. It also begs the question, why dont you address your positive assertion?
Or can you not give us that proof? We are asking that you support a positive assertion. If I say you are the murderer, would I not be subject to the burden of proof or are you okay going to prison for life based on my accusation alone?
Or can you not give us that proof? We are asking that you support a positive assertion. If I say you are the murderer, would I not be subject to the burden of proof or are you okay going to prison for life based on my accusation alone?
To answer your question, of course not.
To the rest of your post...
Okay, I'll tell you why I believe.
I went through a long period of questioning when I was a young mother. I've addressed this before, so I won't go into a lot of detail about that... but just know, that I wasn't a believer. None of it made sense to me.
During my quest for truth, my baby who is now 22, but was only 2 years old at the time sat on my lap one morning and said to me, "Momma, I know why babies can't talk." I said, "You do? So, tell me then, why can't they talk" And he told me:
"Cause they would tell you where they live before they were borned, and they would tell you 'bout the big daddy on the mountain flowers that watches us play. And nobody can't go there til it their turn."
Interpret that as you wish...
But for me, it helped me find my answers rather quickly...
That's also why I'm not a "Christian" in the traditional sense. It opened my mind to new ideas and possibilities about life and the spirit world, and kick started a whole new journey for me!
Does that help?
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bollywood: AS per Hindu thought The finite part of our body is bound to be transformed to something else .It cannot exist always . with the death our material and finite body cease to exist .where are the infinte element in our body transmigrate to some other existance .Its a circle of karma .Both the infinte and finite are the part of the Sytem called God
I think I just said that in the post you quoted me bollywood. I mentioned that our energy-souls(Atman)transmigrate-transit after our physical deaths. I hold almost the same beliefs of nature and cycles of Karma. I don't like to use the term God. I do believe that there may be a source, and our bodies have the force that comes from the source...or God if you will.
Interesting though, I believe the concept of Karma will be scientifially proven...if quantum/string scientists can hurry up
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rodolpho: hell no i believe nature is god not an intelligent boogieman,man mrali pls dont try to convert this spawn(hellspawn)it just wont work.Who are you gonna fight then when armageddon comes
hey,try to use ur common sense if u have
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We can 'make' what we want of this AWE-inspiring power/force.
But, we are only a small part of that intelligence and Love CAUSE.
I call this force - God
But, we are only a small part of that intelligence and Love CAUSE.
I call this force - God
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rodolpho: Do you get the conception of the idea of a being being born being innocent or what.I'm not talkin growin up of course.Thought that was obvious.
By the way,u r looking very nice in the photo on display
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NeWildflower:
During my quest for truth, my baby who is now 22, but was only 2 years old at the time sat on my lap one morning and said to me, "Momma, I know why babies can't talk." I said, "You do? So, tell me then, why can't they talk" And he told me:
"Cause they would tell you where they live before they were borned, and they would tell you 'bout the big daddy on the mountain flowers that watches us play. And nobody can't go there til it their turn."
Interpret that as you wish...
During my quest for truth, my baby who is now 22, but was only 2 years old at the time sat on my lap one morning and said to me, "Momma, I know why babies can't talk." I said, "You do? So, tell me then, why can't they talk" And he told me:
"Cause they would tell you where they live before they were borned, and they would tell you 'bout the big daddy on the mountain flowers that watches us play. And nobody can't go there til it their turn."
Interpret that as you wish...
Interesting!
Sounds like a confirmation of Carl Jung's collective unconcious theory..."a part of the unconscious mind, shared by a society, a people, or all humanity, that is the product of ancestral experience and contains such concepts as science, religion, and morality."You should ask your son now of this event. See what he says.
Aside from Carl Jung's theory, it may be kinda like the waterdrop separated from the Sea...we are the waterdrops and the source (or God as you may call it) is the Sea.
We are the source, but separated right now to experience and earthly life on a specific individual and collective journey. Some get caught up in the cycles of Karma for many lifetimes, and others work out their karmas and speed up their vibrations so they escape this vibrational frequency on Earth...A Christian's heaven and a Hindu's/Buddha's Nirvana if you will...or eventually back to the source where a splinter of our selves is able to watch over us as we are in collective form in a place where there is no pain but only the feeling of being back home.
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God of the Bible; Christians can only "prove Him" by how He has changed their lives, after we asked Him to be our Lord and Saviour.
He sure changed mine!
If there was only one scripture and no Bible, this one would be enough.
John 3-16 For God so loved the world, (you) that He gave His only begotten Son, who so ever believes in Him, should not perish but have ever lasting life.
Good enough for me.
He sure changed mine!
If there was only one scripture and no Bible, this one would be enough.
John 3-16 For God so loved the world, (you) that He gave His only begotten Son, who so ever believes in Him, should not perish but have ever lasting life.
Good enough for me.
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StressFree: Interesting! Sounds like a confirmation of Carl Jung's collective unconcious theory..."a part of the unconscious mind, shared by a society, a people, or all humanity, that is the product of ancestral experience and contains such concepts as science, religion, and morality."
You should ask your son now of this event. See what he says.
Aside from Carl Jung's theory, it may be kinda like the waterdrop separated from the Sea...we are the waterdrops and the source (or God as you may call it) is the Sea.
We are the source, but separated right now to experience and earthly life on a specific individual and collective journey. Some get caught up in the cycles of Karma for many lifetimes, and others work out their karmas and speed up their vibrations so they escape this vibrational frequency on Earth...A Christian's heaven and a Hindu's/Buddha's Nirvana if you will...or eventually back to the source where a splinter of our selves is able to watch over us as we are in collective form in a place where there is no pain but only the feeling of being back home.
You should ask your son now of this event. See what he says.
Aside from Carl Jung's theory, it may be kinda like the waterdrop separated from the Sea...we are the waterdrops and the source (or God as you may call it) is the Sea.
We are the source, but separated right now to experience and earthly life on a specific individual and collective journey. Some get caught up in the cycles of Karma for many lifetimes, and others work out their karmas and speed up their vibrations so they escape this vibrational frequency on Earth...A Christian's heaven and a Hindu's/Buddha's Nirvana if you will...or eventually back to the source where a splinter of our selves is able to watch over us as we are in collective form in a place where there is no pain but only the feeling of being back home.
I've asked him! He doesn't remember it at all. I didn't expect him to though.. I think it was just one of those things that I needed to hear in order to help me along on my quest..
I agree with your ideas about the waterdrop separated from the sea.
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"During my quest for truth, my baby who is now 22, but was only 2 years old at the time sat on my lap one morning and said to me, "Momma, I know why babies can't talk." I said, "You do? So, tell me then, why can't they talk" And he told me:
"Cause they would tell you where they live before they were borned, and they would tell you 'bout the big daddy on the mountain flowers that watches us play. And nobody can't go there til it their turn."
Interpret that as you wish..."
"During my quest for truth, my baby who is now 22, but was only 2 years old at the time sat on my lap one morning and said to me, "Momma, I know why babies can't talk." I said, "You do? So, tell me then, why can't they talk" And he told me:
"Cause they would tell you where they live before they were borned, and they would tell you 'bout the big daddy on the mountain flowers that watches us play. And nobody can't go there til it their turn."
Interpret that as you wish..."
That is amazing. I've read about children that have this
knowing. This account is more than refreshing.
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hollandgirl: God of the Bible; Christians can only "prove Him" by how He has changed their lives, after we asked Him to be our Lord and Saviour.
He sure changed mine!
If there was only one scripture and no Bible, this one would be enough.
John 3-16 For God so loved the world, (you) that He gave His only begotten Son, who so ever believes in Him, should not perish but have ever lasting life.
Good enough for me.
He sure changed mine!
If there was only one scripture and no Bible, this one would be enough.
John 3-16 For God so loved the world, (you) that He gave His only begotten Son, who so ever believes in Him, should not perish but have ever lasting life.
Good enough for me.
The Nobel Qur'an is a second last book of God,it came after Bible
Quran tells us all about the life and after life(Death)Quran is a complete life guid for all the world
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I am not expending any effort on a personal basis. Many of us have simply explained why you can not expect the "non-believer" assuming you are referring to the god of Abraham, to substantiate his alleged non-existence. It also begs the question, why dont you address your positive assertion?
Or can you not give us that proof? We are asking that you support a positive assertion. If I say you are the murderer, would I not be subject to the burden of proof or are you okay going to prison for life based on my accusation alone?