Prove to me.... (622)
rocketqueen: i can prove that a higher being does exist!
Shes going to substantiate a positive assertion! By golly I think she's got it! Seriously, I would be interested in hearing.
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krimsa: Shes going to substantiate a positive assertion! By golly I think she's got it! Seriously, I would be interested in hearing.
I sometimes like your posts - but, like the Conrad character that takes to either slapping emoticons all over the place, or quoting other peoples' thinking, or just being plain rude, I am finding posts like this increasingly populated by haughty and smug comments (as if they were the be all and end all of 'all' knowledge).
I'm sorry, but it all just looks like spaghetti.
You are asking people to prove something or other according to the rules of a game that you think is correct. Think it if you want - no-ones stopping you, but, sometimes, I think, like Conrad, you should get off the horse.
Words will never explain these things - after all - the English language is far from logical - contains more exceptions than rules.
I personally think this is a good thing, by the way.
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In response to: You just choose not to listen.
I have done no such thing. In fact I have asked you several questions already and pointed out issues within these passages and you ignore me. What do you want me to do? You talk at me, not to me.
In response to: You find contradictions because you choose to find contradictions.
I find contradictions because THEY ARE THERE. I have pointed them out to you several times and you have yet to take one of them on and attempt an explanation. Partly this is because even theologians admit that there are problems found within the text.
In response to: They are all points of contention that are easy to understand if you are willing.
Well be my guest...
In response to: It all makes perfect sense if you stand back and look at the big picture.
Sir, obviously I am quite literate in regards to the bible, even you admitted that.
In response to: It all starts with faith, not ends with it. You have to be willing to receive.
I refuse to accept anything in my life on blind faith. It’s just the kind of person I am. I’m a bit of a stickler for the details and I won’t just take things at face value because it would make you feel more comfortable. We aren’t in a prisoner of war camp here. I don’t need any brain scrubbing.
"'Come now, and let us reason together,' Says the LORD, 'Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool. If you are willing and obedient, You shall eat the good of the land; '" Isaiah 1:18-19
"Come now, and let us reason together"
This one I do like. I’ve read that before and I marked it with a green stickie. I don’t find the ENTIRE bible distasteful. But this sentence I agree with, for obvious reasons.
In response to: The same holds true with your false assumptions about all these errors, lapses in logic, and contradictions.
Well if they are not contradictions, please explain them, any of them. Don’t simply go onto other passages. Address specifically what I am posting. I will respect that approach ten fold over what you are doing now which is ignoring my posts and then picking random passages.
In response to: You become aware that the message is simple, the message is love.
God will kill those who despise his word and fail to follow his laws. Their carcasses will be "torn in the midst of the streets."
5:25 Therefore is the anger of the LORD kindled against his people, and he hath stretched forth his hand against them, and hath smitten them: and the hills did tremble, and their carcases were torn in the midst of the streets. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
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galaxy15: I sometimes like your posts - but, like the Conrad character that takes to either slapping emoticons all over the place, or quoting other peoples' thinking, or just being plain rude, I am finding posts like this increasingly populated by haughty and smug comments (as if they were the be all and end all of 'all' knowledge).
I'm sorry, but it all just looks like spaghetti.
You are asking people to prove something or other according to the rules of a game that you think is correct. Think it if you want - no-ones stopping you, but, sometimes, I think, like Conrad, you should get off the horse.
Words will never explain these things - after all - the English language is far from logical - contains more exceptions than rules.
I personally think this is a good thing, by the way.
I'm sorry, but it all just looks like spaghetti.
You are asking people to prove something or other according to the rules of a game that you think is correct. Think it if you want - no-ones stopping you, but, sometimes, I think, like Conrad, you should get off the horse.
Words will never explain these things - after all - the English language is far from logical - contains more exceptions than rules.
I personally think this is a good thing, by the way.
Yes you constantly accuse me of being rude and then you accuse Conrad of stealing others thoughts....blah blah.
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galaxy15: I sometimes like your posts - but, like the Conrad character that takes to either slapping emoticons all over the place, or quoting other peoples' thinking, or just being plain rude, I am finding posts like this increasingly populated by haughty and smug comments (as if they were the be all and end all of 'all' knowledge).
I'm sorry, but it all just looks like spaghetti.
You are asking people to prove something or other according to the rules of a game that you think is correct. Think it if you want - no-ones stopping you, but, sometimes, I think, like Conrad, you should get off the horse.
Words will never explain these things - after all - the English language is far from logical - contains more exceptions than rules.
I personally think this is a good thing, by the way.
Except that I credit the Source which I doubt certain other People do!I'm sorry, but it all just looks like spaghetti.
You are asking people to prove something or other according to the rules of a game that you think is correct. Think it if you want - no-ones stopping you, but, sometimes, I think, like Conrad, you should get off the horse.
Words will never explain these things - after all - the English language is far from logical - contains more exceptions than rules.
I personally think this is a good thing, by the way.
Mad that your Non-Substance get shown up?
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Aries01: In Jesus time the pharisees... did not believe...even though they stood there and watched Jesus perform amazing miracles... sadly there are some people who just don't BELIEVE.. the key is faith I think... cause even if it was possible to call on Jesus in person introduce him to each individual non-believer.. AND get him to raise the dead before their eyes...well.. they still wouldn't believe ...
I would accept the reanimation of dead flesh as legitimate proof. Even if it was an animal raised from the dead that would be enough for me, provided it was not a magician's trick of some kind. Would a human be doing this? And wouldn’t every faith attempt to take credit for it?
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krimsa: I have done no such thing. In fact I have asked you several questions already and pointed out issues within these passages and you ignore me. What do you want me to do? You talk at me, not to me.
I find contradictions because THEY ARE THERE. I have pointed them out to you several times and you have yet to take one of them on and attempt an explanation. Partly this is because even theologians admit that there are problems found within the text.
Well be my guest...
Sir, obviously I am quite literate in regards to the bible, even you admitted that.
I refuse to accept anything in my life on blind faith. It’s just the kind of person I am. I’m a bit of a stickler for the details and I won’t just take things at face value because it would make you feel more comfortable. We aren’t in a prisoner of war camp here. I don’t need any brain scrubbing.
"'Come now, and let us reason together,' Says the LORD, 'Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool. If you are willing and obedient, You shall eat the good of the land; '" Isaiah 1:18-19
"Come now, and let us reason together"
This one I do like. I’ve read that before and I marked it with a green stickie. I don’t find the ENTIRE bible distasteful. But this sentence I agree with, for obvious reasons.
Well if they are not contradictions, please explain them, any of them. Don’t simply go onto other passages. Address specifically what I am posting. I will respect that approach ten fold over what you are doing now which is ignoring my posts and then picking random passages.
God will kill those who despise his word and fail to follow his laws. Their carcasses will be "torn in the midst of the streets."
5:25 Therefore is the anger of the LORD kindled against his people, and he hath stretched forth his hand against them, and hath smitten them: and the hills did tremble, and their carcases were torn in the midst of the streets. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
I find contradictions because THEY ARE THERE. I have pointed them out to you several times and you have yet to take one of them on and attempt an explanation. Partly this is because even theologians admit that there are problems found within the text.
Well be my guest...
Sir, obviously I am quite literate in regards to the bible, even you admitted that.
I refuse to accept anything in my life on blind faith. It’s just the kind of person I am. I’m a bit of a stickler for the details and I won’t just take things at face value because it would make you feel more comfortable. We aren’t in a prisoner of war camp here. I don’t need any brain scrubbing.
"'Come now, and let us reason together,' Says the LORD, 'Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool. If you are willing and obedient, You shall eat the good of the land; '" Isaiah 1:18-19
"Come now, and let us reason together"
This one I do like. I’ve read that before and I marked it with a green stickie. I don’t find the ENTIRE bible distasteful. But this sentence I agree with, for obvious reasons.
Well if they are not contradictions, please explain them, any of them. Don’t simply go onto other passages. Address specifically what I am posting. I will respect that approach ten fold over what you are doing now which is ignoring my posts and then picking random passages.
God will kill those who despise his word and fail to follow his laws. Their carcasses will be "torn in the midst of the streets."
5:25 Therefore is the anger of the LORD kindled against his people, and he hath stretched forth his hand against them, and hath smitten them: and the hills did tremble, and their carcases were torn in the midst of the streets. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
There you go again...
proving my point.
Lets take those contradictions on one at a time. We can do this over the next several days. You post a contradiction, and I will do my best to answer it. Just one a day, what do you say?
If we handle them one at a time then there is smaller chance you or I can hind behind scatter shooting or confusion tactics.
I will be on here tomorrow looking for your first one.
See you then.
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krimsa: I would accept the reanimation of dead flesh as legitimate proof. Even if it was an animal raised from the dead that would be enough for me, provided it was not a magician's trick of some kind. Would a human be doing this? And wouldn’t every faith attempt to take credit for it?
The main point to this was that Jesus came to threaten what they held most dear. He exposed the fact that they were devoted to their control, power, or status more than they were devoted to God. Jesus said He brings a sword (Matthew 10:34), and that sword comes down on everthing that gets between Him and you.
So the pharisees saw their world threatened and could care less about the signs and miracles.
The same would happen today. Many, religious and non-religious, would reject Jesus simply because He came to turn their world upside down. He came to show that we are wrong. Some will not admit that, even if their great great great grandma was raised from the dead.
Well that is it for me. Goodnight everybody!
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krimsa: Yes you constantly accuse me of being rude and then you accuse Conrad of stealing others thoughts....blah blah.
blah blah to you and have a nice dismissive life, girl. You use the word accuse as if it is open to some question, when the proof of what I have said, on both counts, is contained in your reply and this joker conrads reply!
Ignoring and belittling people is about as intelligent as the behaviour of kindergarden children - perhaps thats why these posts are continuing in this way.
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Conrad73: Except that I credit the Source which I doubt certain other People do!
This doesn't refer to me, so can't be relevant.
Mad that your Non-Substance get shown up?
This doesn't refer to me, so can't be relevant.
Mad that your Non-Substance get shown up?
If it is you who thinks it is non-substance, I couldn't give a flying purple canary!
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This war of words, is not about inducing constructive knowledge over humanity, it is only to satisfy an ever evolving ego.
To put that in a more comprehensive way...The biggest war yet to win, is the war with in us.
If we manage not to blow up the planet for the next 100 years, we might just get there.
To put that in a more comprehensive way...The biggest war yet to win, is the war with in us.
If we manage not to blow up the planet for the next 100 years, we might just get there.
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galaxy15: blah blah to you and have a nice dismissive life, girl. You use the word accuse as if it is open to some question, when the proof of what I have said, on both counts, is contained in your reply and this joker conrads reply!
Ignoring and belittling people is about as intelligent as the behaviour of kindergarden children - perhaps thats why these posts are continuing in this way.
Ignoring and belittling people is about as intelligent as the behaviour of kindergarden children - perhaps thats why these posts are continuing in this way.
Who have I ever ignored? You? Who? I always respond. If you scroll through this thread (or any other) any time someone quotes me, I respond directly to them. Unless they are simply in agreement or are repeating a similar opinion. If it does not warrant a response I won’t bother of course. Conrad has never plagiarized or taken credit for ANYTHING that I have ever seen. He often copy and pastes but he ALWAYS gives credit and a link for his source. He never implies it’s his own words, he merely states that this is an opinion he agrees with. I don’t understand what your problem is with him in that respect. It does not involve me anyway.
All I have posted on this thread (which you claim is so rude) is the fact that you can not require that someone substantiate a negative premise. If you go back to page one and actually take the time to read this entire thread, you will notice that close to about 30 other different people pointed this fact out just as I did. Here is yet another for your perusal. Why not begin a campaign of accusing EVERY single member that did this of being rude?
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hornswoggled: The logic that says your mythology is false until proven true is the same logic that built your computer also keeps you innocent until proven guilty.
The burden of proof is always on the one making the claim or hypothesizing something, and that's yourself. You are the one saying something exists; those who refute it are not making any claims.
Being dishonest is not going to lend you credibility; dishonesty will only lose it. Worse still is your inability to grasp that admitting you have to prove your mythology does not prevent you from believing in it.
You're entitled to have your religion, and no one is stopping you from having it - or are you again being dishonest, and claiming someone is doing just that?
The burden of proof is always on the one making the claim or hypothesizing something, and that's yourself. You are the one saying something exists; those who refute it are not making any claims.
Being dishonest is not going to lend you credibility; dishonesty will only lose it. Worse still is your inability to grasp that admitting you have to prove your mythology does not prevent you from believing in it.
You're entitled to have your religion, and no one is stopping you from having it - or are you again being dishonest, and claiming someone is doing just that?
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I admire your perseverance(spell correct).But I was told once some people just don't want to hear the truth.My question for you is why does this discussion means so much to you?
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MikeHD: There you go again...
proving my point.
Lets take those contradictions on one at a time. We can do this over the next several days. You post a contradiction, and I will do my best to answer it. Just one a day, what do you say?
If we handle them one at a time then there is smaller chance you or I can hind behind scatter shooting or confusion tactics.
I will be on here tomorrow looking for your first one.
See you then.
proving my point.
Lets take those contradictions on one at a time. We can do this over the next several days. You post a contradiction, and I will do my best to answer it. Just one a day, what do you say?
If we handle them one at a time then there is smaller chance you or I can hind behind scatter shooting or confusion tactics.
I will be on here tomorrow looking for your first one.
See you then.
I have posted several now on this thread. All you need to do is go back through and pick ANY one of them out to address. That’s all you have been asked to do. There has been no "scatter or confusion" tactics utilized on my part.
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The main point to this was that Jesus came to threaten what they held most dear.
I realize she was addressing Jesus Christ.
I was not.
I stated that IF today, someone was capable of raising either an animal or human from the dead, I would accept that as proof. But there are several variables involved. Proof of what? Which god? Would it be a human who is accomplishing this feat?
I was not referring to Jesus or the past in any way but if this was to occur today.
I realize she was addressing Jesus Christ.
I was not.
I stated that IF today, someone was capable of raising either an animal or human from the dead, I would accept that as proof. But there are several variables involved. Proof of what? Which god? Would it be a human who is accomplishing this feat?
I was not referring to Jesus or the past in any way but if this was to occur today.
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krimsa: The main point to this was that Jesus came to threaten what they held most dear.
I realize she was addressing Jesus Christ.
I was not.
I stated that IF today, someone was capable of raising either an animal or human from the dead, I would accept that as proof. But there are several variables involved. Proof of what? Which god? Would it be a human who is accomplishing this feat?
I was not referring to Jesus or the past in any way but if this was to occur today.
I realize she was addressing Jesus Christ.
I was not.
I stated that IF today, someone was capable of raising either an animal or human from the dead, I would accept that as proof. But there are several variables involved. Proof of what? Which god? Would it be a human who is accomplishing this feat?
I was not referring to Jesus or the past in any way but if this was to occur today.
Sorry MikeHD that last post was for you but I just forgot to quote you.
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krimsa: I have posted several now on this thread. All you need to do is go back through and pick ANY one of them out to address. That’s all you have been asked to do. There has been no "scatter or confusion" tactics utilized on my part.
No, no, you don't get off that easy. I do not want you using your usual tricks. Your past posts are broad and vague. Pick one, and we will go from there.
ONE contradiction a day. That is how we will play.
That is unless you're
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MikeHD: No, no, you don't get off that easy. I do not want you using your usual tricks. Your past posts are broad and vague. Pick one, and we will go from there.
ONE contradiction a day. That is how we will play. That is unless you're
ONE contradiction a day. That is how we will play. That is unless you're
What? No. I am referring to this thread. I have posted several. Pick one.
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I call it the Force...the consciousness of the universe. Great post btw!
A new Force is being created, and at a faster rate during these troubled times. Supposedly our DNA is also changing in order to adapt to the new vibrational frequency we are entering. Some will make the change, others will not...all the secrets are in the subconscious. Tap it. Bear in mind that we do have free will.
Also, there are some energies who are not bound to the laws of Karma on Earth. They are here to facilitate change...a paradigm shift.